Computex: AMD working on improved ref coolers for HD9000, will compete with GK110

[SirPauly]

Where were you with your smoothness campaign when the 580 out. Fermi stuttered badly, it just was ignored as the only thing relevant was the current generation. Single card stuttering was basically unheard of from users until they were informed about it. In the end it's best for the end users, but I just find the irony in when you apply the smoothness marketing only for this generation.

It did? Stuttered badly? Irony?

Examples of Fermi derivatives in the reviews:

http://techreport.com/review/22151/nvidia-geforce-gtx-560-ti-448-graphics-card/9'

http://techreport.com/review/22192/amd-radeon-hd-7970-graphics-processor/9

http://techreport.com/review/22384/amd-radeon-hd-7950-graphics-processor

http://techreport.com/review/22653/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-graphics-processor-reviewed

http://techreport.com/review/23419/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-ti-graphics-card-reviewed


Could it be -- this review where the GTX 570 is being tested with 1600p with heavy IQ and has a little over 1 gig of ram -- you're blanketing Fermi, GTX 580 as stuttering badly over-all?

A quote:

The only card that struggles at all here is the GeForce GTX 570, and we suspect that it's bumping up against some VRAM size limitations; it has the smallest video memory capacity of the bunch.

http://techreport.com/review/23150/amd-radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition

There wasn't really anything to be vocal or a call for investigations with Fermi over-all -- there wasn't this bad stuttering with the GTX 580 and no irony but this investigation deserved more testing and investigations -- very welcomed as were the actual fixes by AMD :

http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-geforce-gtx-660-ti-revisited

 

[SirPauly]

the 580 is worse than the 6970, so it's lead is "diminished" by the same standards). /Beating the dead horse, just want consistency.

Indeed -- consistency is welcomed:

A review from the Techreport with the GTX 580 and HD 6970 and the irony it is the polar opposite of your vocal claim:

http://techreport.com/review/22192/amd-radeon-hd-7970-graphics-processor/9

 

[ICDP]

All this semantic drama based on this quote:

"Originally Posted by SirPauly
The GK-104 easily competed with Tahiti and arguably still a faster chip over-all out-of-box."

It is very accurate!

It wasn't very accurate, it was wrong on a few levels. Yes GK-104 competed but my point was they were not arguably faster overall out of the box compared to equivalent AMD cards.

7870XT > GTX660
7950 BE > GTX660Ti
7970 > GTX670
7970 GE > GTX680

How was it bad? The 7970 was a great card upon release. It took until Big Kepler for nVidia to have a real answer for Tahiti. I hope AMD can pull off another great GPU once 20nm is ready.

ICDP, Where was your drama here with revisionist history? I mean, Gk-104 wasn't a real answer to Tahiti -- crickets from ya!

I didn't respond because right after that quote tviceman ripped it to shreds brilliantly. Had I disagreed with what tviceman said I would have responded to his far more reasoned post than your one line Tahiti brush off.

I know this is a matter of opinion, but I see it the other way around. Nvidia answered Tahiti with gk104 quite well. Tahiti was generally faster most of the time, but performance on the whole was very close and continues to be with recent releases . Titan was not an answer to Tahiti, it is in it's own league in both performance and price. The difference between each company's best card has not been this big since the 8800gtx days.

At least tviceman acknowledged that overall Tahiti was faster most of the time. You on the other hand claimed (past tense) it was arguably faster. IT wasn't and still isn't, yes it competed (your choice of tense here) but was not arguably faster overall. Claiming GK-104 was arguably faster overall compared to Tahiti would be identical to claiming Cypress was faster overall compared to Fermi. It may have competed but winning the minority of tests does not equate to being arguably faster overall.

 

[Rvenger]

For whomever who thinks bitcoins are pointless, not everyone agrees with you.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/meet-the-world-s-first-bitcoin-baby-161558653.html

 

[wand3r3r]

It did? Stuttered badly? Irony?

Examples of Fermi derivatives in the reviews:

http://techreport.com/review/22151/nvidia-geforce-gtx-560-ti-448-graphics-card/9'

http://techreport.com/review/22192/amd-radeon-hd-7970-graphics-processor/9

http://techreport.com/review/22384/amd-radeon-hd-7950-graphics-processor

http://techreport.com/review/22653/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-graphics-processor-reviewed

http://techreport.com/review/23419/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-ti-graphics-card-reviewed


Could it be -- this review where the GTX 570 is being tested with 1600p with heavy IQ and has a little over 1 gig of ram -- you're blanketing Fermi, GTX 580 as stuttering badly over-all?

A quote:



http://techreport.com/review/23150/amd-radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition

There wasn't really anything to be vocal or a call for investigations with Fermi over-all -- there wasn't this bad stuttering with the GTX 580 and no irony but this investigation deserved more testing and investigations -- very welcomed as were the actual fixes by AMD :

http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-geforce-gtx-660-ti-revisited

I guess it was the 570 and 560 ti which had some bad frametimes. The AMD cards had some too, but have apparently been fixed last fall.

http://techreport.com/review/22573/amd-radeon-hd-7870-ghz-edition/5

TR doesn't support deeplinking I guess. Either way, in 3 of the 6 games the 570 and 560 ti were horrible.
The AMD cards did have atrocious frametimes but have been since fixed.

Blame it on the ram, idc, but it doesn't change anything. In the link they are using 1080p with the 560 ti and 570 which are horrible in 3 out of 6 games (as were the radeons, but are since fixed).

Is that the future excuse for the 770/680 and below?

 

[SirPauly]

It wasn't very accurate, it was wrong on a few levels. Yes GK-104 competed but my point was they were not arguably faster overall out of the box compared to equivalent AMD cards.

Can't have a debate if you don't read -- I said, arguably still a faster chip -- which was referring to the GTX 770 Gk-104 derivative sku!

 

[96Firebird]

Can't have a debate if you don't read -- I said, arguably still a faster chip -- which was referring to the GTX 770 Gk-104 derivative sku!

There is no point in arguing with him, what happened was he misread what you said and is now going on defense. There is nothing inaccurate about what you said. Anyone who understands plain English knows this.

 

[Face2Face]

So has someone already posted this?

http://wccftech.com/rumor-amd-radeon-hd-8970-pictured-features-curacao-xt-core-2304-sps/

 

[Rvenger]

So has someone already posted this?

http://wccftech.com/rumor-amd-radeon-hd-8970-pictured-features-curacao-xt-core-2304-sps/

Not having a blower cooler option might be a deal killer for some.

 

[sushiwarrior]

So has someone already posted this?

http://wccftech.com/rumor-amd-radeon-hd-8970-pictured-features-curacao-xt-core-2304-sps/

Definitely photoshopped. It's a shortened 7990 - notice how you can see the copper heatsink above the fan near the power connectors, that copper part is only on the 7990 to cool the VRM's(?) between the 2 dies.

 

[willomz]

7870XT > GTX660
7950 BE > GTX660Ti
7970 > GTX670
7970 GE > GTX680

Yeah the 7870XT is faster than the 660, but the 7850 is the competition on price. In fact the 660 is usually cheaper.
The 7950 and the 660Ti are about the same with the 660Ti slightly cheaper.
The 670 is a lot cheaper than the 7970 since GTX7xx have released.
The 7970GE and the 770 go head to head.

 

[moonbogg]

Hopefully AMD does compete with the GK110 and they release at a good price. Drag the prices down for everyone, please (I still won't buy GK110, but anyway..)

 

[SirPauly]

I guess it was the 570 and 560 ti which had some bad frametimes.

Indeed! As did some of the sku's with the HD 6XXX series in some of the reviews offered as well. Fermi and the HD 6XXX series while, not perfect, both enjoyed smooth gaming over-all on single gpu's!


Even the GTX 6XX series earlier on had a V-sync bug that was starting to get addressed:

On the GeForce GTX 670, 680 and 690, some users identified an occasional micro-stutter when gaming with VSync or Adaptive VSync enabled. For most this wasn’t noticeable, but we take any issue that detracts from a user’s enjoyment of our products very seriously, and have introduced a fix that will improve the smoothness of VSync gaming.

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/nvidia-geforce-304-48-beta-drivers-released



The reason why this smoothness awareness stood out it was how much of a difference there was with competing products with similar price points:

http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-geforce-gtx-660-ti-revisited

This review became a lightning rod across the world and raised such awareness it disrupted how many sites review their products now and even AFR can't hide and is being investigated, tested and evaluated closer.

 

[Spike]

Wait, am I missing something here? People are getting bent out of shape that a next generation part beats out a current generation part? Especially one that is 2 years old? Sure the 770 is based on the old architecture but it's been tweaked and re-released, of course it's going to be faster. I doubt anyone here would argue that the 7970 was not a great card but it was beat by the 680 until the new version (GE) came out. Then nVidia eventually released the Titan along with the 7 series and now AMD's high end (single chip at least) is beat across the board. When AMD responds with their next gen, the gen that matches up to nVidias 7 series, there will likely be parity, or AMD coming out slightly ahead, at least compared to the 780. I'm not sure why this would cause a bunch of upset posters.

Personally I'm looking forward to AMD's next release, then I can decide on what direction I want to go then. I've been on an AMD kick lately due to the performance and my tendency to bitcoin mine (plus my eyefinity setup). It might be time to get another nVidia GPU now that mining is less profitable and nVidia works well for 3 monitor gaming.

C'mon HD8000/9000!

 

[blackened23]

Two things - I missed most of the thread but i'm really confused about the argument regarding HD6000 vs GTX 500? Huh? Aside from that, i'd have to agree with moonbogg - I don't know if this story is true but I really hope it is, and hopefully whatever next-gen part AMD has brewing performs well compared to GK110 and has a great price. Competition is always a good thing regardless of which brand you prefer.

 

[bystander36]

Why would you ignore it. Just measure with the same measuring stick. (If claiming 680 was temporarily faster by smoothness, the 580 is worse than the 6970, so it's lead is "diminished" by the same standards). /Beating the dead horse, just want consistency.

If you can show where the 580 stutters, go for it. We were not talking about the 580 before. We were comparing the 680 to the 7970 using current tools.

Just because the tools were limited in the past does not mean we have to stick our head in the sand and ignore current tools. That's completely idiotic.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Definitely photoshopped. It's a shortened 7990 - notice how you can see the copper heatsink above the fan near the power connectors, that copper part is only on the 7990 to cool the VRM's(?) between the 2 dies.

Wouldn't this likely also be a 250+ watt card? I'm not saying that picture or any of this is legit, but I wouldn't count it out because of copper heatsinks on the VRM.