Computer Gamer vs Any Random Hobby

fLum0x

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I have had a long discussion with people about a computer gamer's hobby versus being a guitar player or an avid TV watcher or any other hobby. It is interesting as to why the world treats "gamers" as nerds or low life people considered to other hobbies that people have. Let's take playing a guitar and being in a band for example. Being good at playing guitar takes years of practice. My co-worker is very good and he has spent a lot of his younger years in his room by himself playing music. If you talk to him about it, he will admit all of the time he spent alone and how he did not socialize with anyone at all. As he grew older, he got better and became a member of a band. They got better as a group and started playing in live shows and such. Now, let's stop here....

As for a gamer, they will typically start gaming in their younger years and put in an enormous amount of time. They usually play alone, but sometimes with others (just like a guitarist). The odd part with the day and age we are in now, is voice chat over the internet. Rarely do these gamers "know" who they are talking to, but they are communicating and socializing about the game. Some of this time is spent talking about things other than the game, just like when two guitarists get together. Now, as this gamer gets older and goes through college, he/she continues to play and becomes a member of a guild or clan or something of the sort. He/she will get to know their members well on more of a personal level instead of just the game level. Now, let's stop this hobby here...


Fast forward to 25 years old. A guitarist at this point is very good and is still playing decent size gigs in the cities and making some money and getting women left and right usually. The gamer is usually very good and is playing in national tournaments online and potentially making money or sponsors for himself. Nevertheless, the gamer is looked at as a "nerd" or "low life" for some reason. Why is this? I understand that you can claim they spend all of their time on the computer as being a "nerd", but how is that different from reading music and having a guitar in your hands all night long?

Given, I am still a gamer, and I used to be hardcore and played too much. I am out of that phase and I have moved on with my life. Nevertheless, it is odd to look back and see people being made fun of because of their hobby.

Why is there really such a big difference?
 

Zolty

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Gaming is much less productive than other hobbies, the guitarist can create music and entertain his / her friends. Gamers can entertain other gamers and alienate others.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Zolty
Gaming is much less productive than other hobbies, the guitarist can create music and entertain his / her friends. Gamers can entertain other gamers and alienate others.

Yes, well gaming is also about 10 times more usefull then watching tv for hours on end. Makes you think, helps coordination.
 

HN

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Originally posted by: fLum0x
Why is there really such a big difference?
There isn't and fantasy sports participants should be mocked accordingly.
 

BigJ

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You know I read this as "Computer Gamer vs. Ayn Rand Hobby" and was thinking to myself "That doesn't make any sense."
 

thatguy82

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I think it's about evoking emotion in other people, plus cultural stereotypes of the people that tend to game.
 

Zolty

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Zolty
Gaming is much less productive than other hobbies, the guitarist can create music and entertain his / her friends. Gamers can entertain other gamers and alienate others.

Yes, well gaming is also about 10 times more usefull then watching tv for hours on end. Makes you think, helps coordination.

Not true, if I am networking (socially) in the office I can usually find common ground with many people using the subject of common tv watching habits.

I don't mention gaming in most cases because they probably don't play the same games as I do, or they don't game, or there will be a negative connotation.
 

ahurtt

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Gaming is pretty much considered introverted and anti-social having little if any face to face social interaction aside from the occasional LAN party or something is the difference I guess. You learn little practical life or real world knowledge and don't really help the world or others much in any real sense by sitting in front of a computer screen / xbox or whatever with a controller in your hand. I guess overall it is considered an unproductive and wasteful use of ones time by people who don't care about gaming. There are other more important things and worthy endeavors in life for the most part is what people who look down on gamers probably feel. But hey, whatever floats your boat. I'm a gamer too but I never have any intention of making a living out of it.
 

LeiZaK

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I've played games for nearly ~25 years... I've only played guitar for 16 years. :p
 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Zolty
Gaming is much less productive than other hobbies, the guitarist can create music and entertain his / her friends. Gamers can entertain other gamers and alienate others.

Yes, well gaming is also about 10 times more usefull then watching tv for hours on end. Makes you think, helps coordination.

Well. . .if you really want to call watching TV a hobby.
 

gwrober

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Zolty
Gaming is much less productive than other hobbies, the guitarist can create music and entertain his / her friends. Gamers can entertain other gamers and alienate others.

Yes, well gaming is also about 10 times more usefull then watching tv for hours on end. Makes you think, helps coordination.

Very good point....
 

Mo0o

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Because many gamers are nerdy and awkward. And often times gaming does not promote face-to-face social interaction, only among people online which is obviously very different. Is an accomplished gamer as impressive as an impressive guitarist? maybe but the guitarist certainly makes more money. Another thing to consider. Most of hte world class gamers today only picked up their games a few years ago so clearly, while it may be hard initially, being really good at a game does not take +20 years of practicing the same thing. Plus, playing games doesn't make you nerdy, it's only when you let it dominate your life that it becomes indicative of your social priorities.

I would say that watching a lot of tv isn't really a "hobby" but i guess one could argue that it makes you learn a lot about pop culture, which comes in handy when making conversation since you probably know a little about everything
 

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I guess I'm the odd one. I both game and play an instrument. Granted my priest is only lvl 51 in Wow so I'm not a hardcore gamer but I also play trumpet in a local community band. I also have an El Camino project car. I will admit that it gets expensive and I have to pick and choose between hobbies where to spend the money.
 

fLum0x

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Originally posted by: Zolty
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Zolty
Gaming is much less productive than other hobbies, the guitarist can create music and entertain his / her friends. Gamers can entertain other gamers and alienate others.

Yes, well gaming is also about 10 times more usefull then watching tv for hours on end. Makes you think, helps coordination.

Not true, if I am networking (socially) in the office I can usually find common ground with many people using the subject of common tv watching habits.

I don't mention gaming in most cases because they probably don't play the same games as I do, or they don't game, or there will be a negative connotation.


This just makes you fake interests to fit in :p

I have met some of the coolest people and talked with them for a long time without knowing they game. Most people don't even know that I game :x
 

fLum0x

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Zolty
Gaming is much less productive than other hobbies, the guitarist can create music and entertain his / her friends. Gamers can entertain other gamers and alienate others.

Yes, well gaming is also about 10 times more usefull then watching tv for hours on end. Makes you think, helps coordination.

Well. . .if you really want to call watching TV a hobby.


People watch TV for 2-4 hours a night....that would be enough interest for a hobby if you ask me. People would not call it a hobby, but I put the same amount of time into games :eek:
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Zolty

Not true, if I am networking (socially) in the office I can usually find common ground with many people using the subject of common tv watching habits.

I don't mention gaming in most cases because they probably don't play the same games as I do, or they don't game, or there will be a negative connotation.

No offense, but if it takes a movie/tv show to get me to talk to someone, I probably shouldn't be talking to them in the first place. And you really care if someone thinks negative about you because of playing a game? Fvck..
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: fLum0x

People watch TV for 2-4 hours a night....that would be enough interest for a hobby if you ask me. People would not call it a hobby, but I put the same amount of time into games :eek:

I have zero problems spending 4+ hours a day on video games after work/school. Way way better then wasting away for 4 hours in front of the TV. And yes I read books/magazines. And yes I spend plenty of time with my wife. I just dont click on a TV unless its for a movie or game.

 

TanisHalfElven

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gaming as a hobby is great. same with a guitar or music or sports.
gaming when you spends your entire day just playing game is just ....well weird. same with playing the guitar all day.

remember your falling too much into stereotypes. most gamers (esp computer gamers) are successful intelligent people with jobs that allow enough spare change to buy games. very few join guilds or other crap.

honestly every time a see a guitarist playing all by himself i feel kind of sad for the guy.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: Zolty
Gaming is much less productive than other hobbies, the guitarist can create music and entertain his / her friends. Gamers can entertain other gamers and alienate others.

See this is subjective.

I would rather watch a friend play a game than listen to a friend play the guitar. I'm not into guitars at all.
 

invidia

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A hobby doesn't have to be productive. A hobby is something someone enjoys doing on their own time, to escape from the hardships of the world and real life. It DOES NOT have to create money to be considered a "BETTER" hobby than another. And gaming is a form of entertainment. Some rather spend 4 hours on the computer playing than 4 hours watching TV.

Plus video games may not help you physically, but it definitely helps you mentally by increasing your coordination abilities and the ability to think fast in situations. I've also known hardcore gamers to be very consistent in attempting hard tasks again and again IRL and are very reluctant to give up, just as when they face a challenge in a video game. Video/PC games also taught me to be a very competitive person. Although sports may of taught me the same thing but I choose to go a different route.
 

potato28

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There's a little bit of a difference between a "regular" hobby and video gaming, but other than that it's 100% true. TV watching is one of the worst hobbies to have, but most people have it because it doesn't need any concentration.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Mo0o
Because many gamers are nerdy and awkward. And often times gaming does not promote face-to-face social interaction,

painting, sculpting, photography, most art cant me described in the same way
same with
gardening
reading
running
biking
 

johnjohn320

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I don't mock people for liking to play videogames, I was once an avid gamer myself. I think a big difference for me is having somethiing that you can share with people. If you learn guitar, it's cool...you can play for other people and everyone enjoys it. You have something to show for all those hours you spent. But with videogames, you have nothing to show for it. "Hey, watch me beat this zombie!" Meh...

But again, I don't rip on gamers. It's a skill in its own respect, and you should just do what you like without worrying about how it looks to others.
 

hanoverphist

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Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
gaming as a hobby is great. same with a guitar or music or sports.
gaming when you spends your entire day just playing game is just ....well weird. same with playing the guitar all day.

remember your falling too much into stereotypes. most gamers (esp computer gamers) are successful intelligent people with jobs that allow enough spare change to buy games. very few join guilds or other crap.

honestly every time a see a guitarist playing all by himself i feel kind of sad for the guy.

the guild part is false i think. most gamers that have been playing for a while are members of a group of some sort. in WoW you cant get far in endgame without a guild to go with. im an industrial programmer, and you would be amazed how many engineers and project managers i come across that play WoW and other games. they would probably never have brought it up if i hadnt been wearing a WoW hat on a jobsite tho lol. i always get people asking me what game my laptops background is from too, and some already know its a gnome rogue from WoW. i see it as more of a conversation piece than a detriment. most people either have played, are playing or have friends/ kids that play video games, its not really a social stigma anymore from my point of view.

i even had an engineer call a point check for an early lunch due to him getting a 10 day trial for WoW and staying up too late one time. that was a fun day.
 

Ricochet

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Computer Games will always be considered a "nerdy" hobby. If you're good with the computer or spend a lot of time on it you're considered "nerdy". There's no way around it. To girls "nerd" behavior is an automatic anti-aphrodisiac. Drug dealers, alcoholics, and gang bikers are more appealing. So I'm not surprise that most guys would rather hide their gaming habit.

BTW, a lot of guys go into music to attract girls.