computer equivalent of xbox 360

[Fox5]

Its GPU will be doing fine for quite a while. Halo 2 was prettier than Halo, was it not? And could a Geforce3 ever render Halo 2's graphics? Don't give me the 480i thing either because you could play it in HD resolution.

480P wasn't exactly HD either, considering a decent scaler will give about the same quality as long as it's a 30fps game. (which most of the better looking xbox games were)
And Geforce 3 played doom 3 better than the xbox version, and doom 3 could be considered better looking than halo 2. (and the xbox's gpu was closer to a geforce 4ti btw)

So far though, I've played several games on the xbox 360 and a PC with an x800xt, and the PC played all of them better than the 360. Maybe that will change as the Xbox 360 gets games that play to its strengths, rather than PC ports made for types of performance that the 360 is deficient in, since it does have a very non-PC architecture.

It was about the software, most of which never touched a PC.

That's right, it is about the software, and that's why the original Xbox was a waste of money its first few years and the 360 appears to be about the same...all their best games are PC games or multiplatform games that see release on the PC anyhow. Nearly anyone reading this forum probably already has a PC powerful enough to play the games at least as well as the 360, and many wouldn't be satisfied unless they had somthing much more powerful. Microsoft desperately needs to break away from the PC-lite mold if they want more than just people who are too cheap or not knowledgable/caring enough to build a good PC.

Oh, and sure you can play a 360 on a PC monitor, but that'd be like playing a PC on a TV. It's just not the most practical setup, console games are made with large text and icons so you can play them from a couch halfway across the room, PC games are made with small text and tons of detail because you're sitting about 6" away from the screen. (of course, now with more console crossover games, PC games are being designed with more viewable interfaces, some developers are actually getting quite good at simplifying interfaces will still keeping them fully functional, though there were some ugly attempts at the start with the original xbox)

 

[iamaelephant]

Originally posted by: Ichigo

Originally posted by: iamaelephant
My PC (see sig) can play Prey and better detail than a 360 and I built it pretty damn cheap.

And of course you've played both versions?

Actually no, but I recently read an article (Gamespot maybe? I forget) that compared the graphics of the PC and Xbox versions and my PC comfortably plays the game at a setting that makes it look significantly better than the XBox. Pretty amusing considering I only set out to build a modest gaming rig and spent less than the price of a 360.

 

[Jules]

LoL

 

[munisgtm]

my original question about computer whic can put out graphics like xbox 360 in "HD" still remained pretty much unanswered

 

[Jules]

2 Cheese Burgers in SLI.

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: munisgtm
my original question about computer whic can put out graphics like xbox 360 in "HD" still remained pretty much unanswered

Which just goes to prove that there are such things as stupid questions

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: munisgtm
my original question about computer whic can put out graphics like xbox 360 in "HD" still remained pretty much unanswered

You've had answers, what more do you want? There's even sort of a general consensus between answers, a dual core has been agreed upon for the cpu, and only the graphics processor is left up to discussion. (but I wouldn't say somewhere between an x800pro and an x1800xt is that much of a variance, that's like a 40% difference in performance or something)

 

[supastar1568]

equivalent of xbox 360. Easy. Here

 

[One43637]

i wouldn't have bothered getting a 360 or any other next gen gaming console if i didn't have an HD set to take advantage of all the eye candy. a waste imo.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: EvanAdams

Originally posted by: Fox5

you dont need a HDTV.

Then you don't need a PC that can equal the xbox 360, a 6600 (not gt) could likely match its graphics at 640x480.

Yea see thats my whole point. I'm sitting here watching DirecTV and guess what is on HDTV:
tonight: cedric the entertainer. house, acording to jim, Making a music star, more house, law and order
tommarow night: more making a music star, george lopez, criminal minds, freddie, CSI, law and order.

and it continues like that.

a LOT of people are buying these HDTV's when they are more or less useless. So in my book having an HDTV would force one to give up on TIVO and the only benefit would be marginal televission. Not worth my time or money.

Thus whenever I see a thread like this I try to point out the rationalizations people are making with these 360s over picture quality and HD.

You are right, this is the biggest problem with HDTV right now, there is nothing to watch. I had an HD set for about a week then realized there was nothing decent to watch and the regular tv shows looked like crap on it.

I returned the TV, cancelled my Xbox360 order and bought a PS2 (and now the rig in my sig) and am much happier. I think it will be several months before I revisit HDTV, once they have a few more shows on it and also when hockey season is back

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant

Originally posted by: Ichigo

Originally posted by: iamaelephant
My PC (see sig) can play Prey and better detail than a 360 and I built it pretty damn cheap.

And of course you've played both versions?

Actually no, but I recently read an article (Gamespot maybe? I forget) that compared the graphics of the PC and Xbox versions and my PC comfortably plays the game at a setting that makes it look significantly better than the XBox. Pretty amusing considering I only set out to build a modest gaming rig and spent less than the price of a 360.

i've played both versions of prey (on my pc and on my hdtv/360 setup) and i thought prey looked just as good on the 360. my system wasn't really cheap, but neither was my 360 setup.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: EvanAdams

Originally posted by: Fox5

you dont need a HDTV.

Then you don't need a PC that can equal the xbox 360, a 6600 (not gt) could likely match its graphics at 640x480.

Yea see thats my whole point. I'm sitting here watching DirecTV and guess what is on HDTV:
tonight: cedric the entertainer. house, acording to jim, Making a music star, more house, law and order
tommarow night: more making a music star, george lopez, criminal minds, freddie, CSI, law and order.

and it continues like that.

a LOT of people are buying these HDTV's when they are more or less useless. So in my book having an HDTV would force one to give up on TIVO and the only benefit would be marginal televission. Not worth my time or money.

Thus whenever I see a thread like this I try to point out the rationalizations people are making with these 360s over picture quality and HD.

You are right, this is the biggest problem with HDTV right now, there is nothing to watch. I had an HD set for about a week then realized there was nothing decent to watch and the regular tv shows looked like crap on it.

I returned the TV, cancelled my Xbox360 order and bought a PS2 (and now the rig in my sig) and am much happier. I think it will be several months before I revisit HDTV, once they have a few more shows on it and also when hockey season is back

if your provider carries it inhd and inhd2 has some great hd content. mainstream and obscure sports, good movies you won't ever seen on hbo, concerts. the hockey playoffs were all shown in hd (from the oln feed i believe?). being a law & order junkie also makes it easier, because tnt seems to show law & order in hd pretty much 24/7. i agree there is a lack of content, but there is still some great stuff to watch.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: EvanAdams

Originally posted by: Fox5

you dont need a HDTV.

Then you don't need a PC that can equal the xbox 360, a 6600 (not gt) could likely match its graphics at 640x480.

Yea see thats my whole point. I'm sitting here watching DirecTV and guess what is on HDTV:
tonight: cedric the entertainer. house, acording to jim, Making a music star, more house, law and order
tommarow night: more making a music star, george lopez, criminal minds, freddie, CSI, law and order.

and it continues like that.

a LOT of people are buying these HDTV's when they are more or less useless. So in my book having an HDTV would force one to give up on TIVO and the only benefit would be marginal televission. Not worth my time or money.

Thus whenever I see a thread like this I try to point out the rationalizations people are making with these 360s over picture quality and HD.

You are right, this is the biggest problem with HDTV right now, there is nothing to watch. I had an HD set for about a week then realized there was nothing decent to watch and the regular tv shows looked like crap on it.

I returned the TV, cancelled my Xbox360 order and bought a PS2 (and now the rig in my sig) and am much happier. I think it will be several months before I revisit HDTV, once they have a few more shows on it and also when hockey season is back

if your provider carries it inhd and inhd2 has some great hd content. mainstream and obscure sports, good movies you won't ever seen on hbo, concerts. the hockey playoffs were all shown in hd (from the oln feed i believe?). being a law & order junkie also makes it easier, because tnt seems to show law & order in hd pretty much 24/7. i agree there is a lack of content, but there is still some great stuff to watch.

Don't get me wrong, I love Law & Order, but I feel like I have seen most of them by now and when I signed up with my provider (I'm in Canada) there were about 12 channels total, and more than half of them I did not care about.

I was told by the sales guy that a few dozen mroe channels will be added later this year, so I will probabyl revisit HDTV then.

 

[EvanAdams]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: EvanAdams

Originally posted by: Fox5

you dont need a HDTV.

Then you don't need a PC that can equal the xbox 360, a 6600 (not gt) could likely match its graphics at 640x480.

Yea see thats my whole point. I'm sitting here watching DirecTV and guess what is on HDTV:
tonight: cedric the entertainer. house, acording to jim, Making a music star, more house, law and order
tommarow night: more making a music star, george lopez, criminal minds, freddie, CSI, law and order.

and it continues like that.

a LOT of people are buying these HDTV's when they are more or less useless. So in my book having an HDTV would force one to give up on TIVO and the only benefit would be marginal televission. Not worth my time or money.

Thus whenever I see a thread like this I try to point out the rationalizations people are making with these 360s over picture quality and HD.

You are right, this is the biggest problem with HDTV right now, there is nothing to watch. I had an HD set for about a week then realized there was nothing decent to watch and the regular tv shows looked like crap on it.

I returned the TV, cancelled my Xbox360 order and bought a PS2 (and now the rig in my sig) and am much happier. I think it will be several months before I revisit HDTV, once they have a few more shows on it and also when hockey season is back

if your provider carries it inhd and inhd2 has some great hd content. mainstream and obscure sports, good movies you won't ever seen on hbo, concerts. the hockey playoffs were all shown in hd (from the oln feed i believe?). being a law & order junkie also makes it easier, because tnt seems to show law & order in hd pretty much 24/7. i agree there is a lack of content, but there is still some great stuff to watch.

Don't get me wrong, I love Law & Order, but I feel like I have seen most of them by now and when I signed up with my provider (I'm in Canada) there were about 12 channels total, and more than half of them I did not care about.

I was told by the sales guy that a few dozen mroe channels will be added later this year, so I will probabyl revisit HDTV then.

DirecTV in the USA just applied to the FCC to move a satalite as an added MPEG4 stream. Perhaps then content might increase.

I guess the 360 is just a year or two early for true HDTV penetration. I'd be interested to see a report on the number of 360's playing on HDTVs the number on SDTVs and the number of people not buying 360s due to no HDTV. I bet it is a microsoft report somewhere. hmmm off to look at the microsoft jobs page ;0

I love how I hijacted this thread turning it into HD 360 discussion. But in truth, you cant compare a 360 on a normal TV to a 360 on a HDTV. A 360 equiv computer on SDTV is probably in the x800 world with a p4 while a 360 equiv computer on HDTV is probably in the dual core x1900 world. double the rez, double the computer

 

[unclebud]

i think bill gates knew amd was gonna buy ati

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: EvanAdams

Originally posted by: Fox5

you dont need a HDTV.

Then you don't need a PC that can equal the xbox 360, a 6600 (not gt) could likely match its graphics at 640x480.

Yea see thats my whole point. I'm sitting here watching DirecTV and guess what is on HDTV:
tonight: cedric the entertainer. house, acording to jim, Making a music star, more house, law and order
tommarow night: more making a music star, george lopez, criminal minds, freddie, CSI, law and order.

and it continues like that.

a LOT of people are buying these HDTV's when they are more or less useless. So in my book having an HDTV would force one to give up on TIVO and the only benefit would be marginal televission. Not worth my time or money.

Thus whenever I see a thread like this I try to point out the rationalizations people are making with these 360s over picture quality and HD.

You are right, this is the biggest problem with HDTV right now, there is nothing to watch. I had an HD set for about a week then realized there was nothing decent to watch and the regular tv shows looked like crap on it.

I returned the TV, cancelled my Xbox360 order and bought a PS2 (and now the rig in my sig) and am much happier. I think it will be several months before I revisit HDTV, once they have a few more shows on it and also when hockey season is back

if your provider carries it inhd and inhd2 has some great hd content. mainstream and obscure sports, good movies you won't ever seen on hbo, concerts. the hockey playoffs were all shown in hd (from the oln feed i believe?). being a law & order junkie also makes it easier, because tnt seems to show law & order in hd pretty much 24/7. i agree there is a lack of content, but there is still some great stuff to watch.

Don't get me wrong, I love Law & Order, but I feel like I have seen most of them by now and when I signed up with my provider (I'm in Canada) there were about 12 channels total, and more than half of them I did not care about.

I was told by the sales guy that a few dozen mroe channels will be added later this year, so I will probabyl revisit HDTV then.

out of the channels we get here in "hd" about 5 of them regularly show HD content. tnt, discovery, inhd & inhd2, hbo hd, espn/2 hd usually shows hd stuff, but mostly 4:3. the rest are the network stations that show maybe one or two shows a day in hd, if that. but between that and my dvd collection i'm happy with my purchase. even ondemand is getting a few movies in hd now.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: EvanAdams

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: EvanAdams

Originally posted by: Fox5

you dont need a HDTV.

Then you don't need a PC that can equal the xbox 360, a 6600 (not gt) could likely match its graphics at 640x480.

Yea see thats my whole point. I'm sitting here watching DirecTV and guess what is on HDTV:
tonight: cedric the entertainer. house, acording to jim, Making a music star, more house, law and order
tommarow night: more making a music star, george lopez, criminal minds, freddie, CSI, law and order.

and it continues like that.

a LOT of people are buying these HDTV's when they are more or less useless. So in my book having an HDTV would force one to give up on TIVO and the only benefit would be marginal televission. Not worth my time or money.

Thus whenever I see a thread like this I try to point out the rationalizations people are making with these 360s over picture quality and HD.

You are right, this is the biggest problem with HDTV right now, there is nothing to watch. I had an HD set for about a week then realized there was nothing decent to watch and the regular tv shows looked like crap on it.

I returned the TV, cancelled my Xbox360 order and bought a PS2 (and now the rig in my sig) and am much happier. I think it will be several months before I revisit HDTV, once they have a few more shows on it and also when hockey season is back

if your provider carries it inhd and inhd2 has some great hd content. mainstream and obscure sports, good movies you won't ever seen on hbo, concerts. the hockey playoffs were all shown in hd (from the oln feed i believe?). being a law & order junkie also makes it easier, because tnt seems to show law & order in hd pretty much 24/7. i agree there is a lack of content, but there is still some great stuff to watch.

Don't get me wrong, I love Law & Order, but I feel like I have seen most of them by now and when I signed up with my provider (I'm in Canada) there were about 12 channels total, and more than half of them I did not care about.

I was told by the sales guy that a few dozen mroe channels will be added later this year, so I will probabyl revisit HDTV then.

DirecTV in the USA just applied to the FCC to move a satalite as an added MPEG4 stream. Perhaps then content might increase.

I guess the 360 is just a year or two early for true HDTV penetration. I'd be interested to see a report on the number of 360's playing on HDTVs the number on SDTVs and the number of people not buying 360s due to no HDTV. I bet it is a microsoft report somewhere. hmmm off to look at the microsoft jobs page ;0

I love how I hijacted this thread turning it into HD 360 discussion. But in truth, you cant compare a 360 on a normal TV to a 360 on a HDTV. A 360 equiv computer on SDTV is probably in the x800 world with a p4 while a 360 equiv computer on HDTV is probably in the dual core x1900 world. double the rez, double the computer

i had my 360 for 2 days before buying a new tv. it just isn't that great on sdtv, but on hdtv it truely shines. heck even my little brother has hdtv now, and he's the farthest thing from a movie or pc or any type of geek.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: getbush
In terms of Oblivion, a computer with an x1800xt or thereabouts will about equal the graphics of the 360 up to a certgain resolution, like 10x7 or 12x10. Assuming a processor to match like an good a64, x2, or the conroes coming out. Plus 1 or 2 gigs of RAM. That kind of system will be similar to a 360.

It's hard to make a direct comparison, but that will give you a rough idea.

well oblivion is a first gen title. so its not the best the xbox will be able to do.

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: EvanAdams

Originally posted by: Fox5

you dont need a HDTV.

Then you don't need a PC that can equal the xbox 360, a 6600 (not gt) could likely match its graphics at 640x480.

Yea see thats my whole point. I'm sitting here watching DirecTV and guess what is on HDTV:
tonight: cedric the entertainer. house, acording to jim, Making a music star, more house, law and order
tommarow night: more making a music star, george lopez, criminal minds, freddie, CSI, law and order.

and it continues like that.

a LOT of people are buying these HDTV's when they are more or less useless. So in my book having an HDTV would force one to give up on TIVO and the only benefit would be marginal televission. Not worth my time or money.

Thus whenever I see a thread like this I try to point out the rationalizations people are making with these 360s over picture quality and HD.

You are right, this is the biggest problem with HDTV right now, there is nothing to watch. I had an HD set for about a week then realized there was nothing decent to watch and the regular tv shows looked like crap on it.

I returned the TV, cancelled my Xbox360 order and bought a PS2 (and now the rig in my sig) and am much happier. I think it will be several months before I revisit HDTV, once they have a few more shows on it and also when hockey season is back

if your provider carries it inhd and inhd2 has some great hd content. mainstream and obscure sports, good movies you won't ever seen on hbo, concerts. the hockey playoffs were all shown in hd (from the oln feed i believe?). being a law & order junkie also makes it easier, because tnt seems to show law & order in hd pretty much 24/7. i agree there is a lack of content, but there is still some great stuff to watch.

Don't get me wrong, I love Law & Order, but I feel like I have seen most of them by now and when I signed up with my provider (I'm in Canada) there were about 12 channels total, and more than half of them I did not care about.

I was told by the sales guy that a few dozen mroe channels will be added later this year, so I will probabyl revisit HDTV then.

out of the channels we get here in "hd" about 5 of them regularly show HD content. tnt, discovery, inhd & inhd2, hbo hd, espn/2 hd usually shows hd stuff, but mostly 4:3. the rest are the network stations that show maybe one or two shows a day in hd, if that. but between that and my dvd collection i'm happy with my purchase. even ondemand is getting a few movies in hd now.

pretty much any primetime network show is in hd and has been for years. good stuff.

as for penetration, hdtv sales surpassesd hdtv this year

 

[Fox5]

A 360 equiv computer on SDTV is probably in the x800 world with a p4 while a 360 equiv computer on HDTV is probably in the dual core x1900 world. double the rez, double the computer

Hardly, a 360 has slow down and stuttering (and even continuous low framerates on some games, though we could blame the cpu and not the graphics chip for this, but considering most of the 360's graphics chips specs are on par with mid-range PC cards, we can probably assume at least some blame can be put on the gpu) at 720P whereas a single x1900 won't slow down on any game at that res.

Based on what I've seen of the 360 and my own ghetto analysis of its hardware's potential, if used in the same way as a PC (and not designed to its strengths), then it's cpu is about the equivalent of a triple core 2.4ghz Pentium 4 (with current performance looking on par with a 2.4ghz single core p4 since current games aren't multithreaded) and its graphics card is about on the x800pro level in current shown performance, though I honestly expect much better from the X360's graphics core as time goes on. Basically, once games get multithreaded that should be a big improvement (at least putting it on par with a single core 3.8ghz p4 at the minimum) and once games get developed for the graphics chip (which should be much easier to take advantage than the cpu) then I expect performance on par with the much more expensive (for cost to produce) x1800xt. The 360 was designed to maximize cost per performance, not to be an all powerful at any cost machine, though microsoft certainly didn't skimp on peformance but they went for best possible at lowest cost, rather than a balls to the walls approach. (like the original xbox, where they spent huge amounts of money for what amounted to a rather small actual advantage, the Xbox group was under huge pressure from Microsoft management to cut costs with the 360 and they succeeded to a huge extent)

BTW, PBS is the only station I've seen that pretty much broadcasts in HD all day long.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: Fox5

A 360 equiv computer on SDTV is probably in the x800 world with a p4 while a 360 equiv computer on HDTV is probably in the dual core x1900 world. double the rez, double the computer

Hardly, a 360 has slow down and stuttering (and even continuous low framerates on some games, though we could blame the cpu and not the graphics chip for this, but considering most of the 360's graphics chips specs are on par with mid-range PC cards, we can probably assume at least some blame can be put on the gpu) at 720P whereas a single x1900 won't slow down on any game at that res.

Based on what I've seen of the 360 and my own ghetto analysis of its hardware's potential, if used in the same way as a PC (and not designed to its strengths), then it's cpu is about the equivalent of a triple core 2.4ghz Pentium 4 (with current performance looking on par with a 2.4ghz single core p4 since current games aren't multithreaded) and its graphics card is about on the x800pro level in current shown performance, though I honestly expect much better from the X360's graphics core as time goes on. Basically, once games get multithreaded that should be a big improvement (at least putting it on par with a single core 3.8ghz p4 at the minimum) and once games get developed for the graphics chip (which should be much easier to take advantage than the cpu) then I expect performance on par with the much more expensive (for cost to produce) x1800xt. The 360 was designed to maximize cost per performance, not to be an all powerful at any cost machine, though microsoft certainly didn't skimp on peformance but they went for best possible at lowest cost, rather than a balls to the walls approach. (like the original xbox, where they spent huge amounts of money for what amounted to a rather small actual advantage, the Xbox group was under huge pressure from Microsoft management to cut costs with the 360 and they succeeded to a huge extent)

BTW, PBS is the only station I've seen that pretty much broadcasts in HD all day long.

Yeah sure. :disgust:

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Fox5
BTW, PBS is the only station I've seen that pretty much broadcasts in HD all day long.

maybe ota, but there are a few others that broadcast in hd all day long, aside from the two hd only channels (inhd and inhd2). discoveryHD shows monster garage and american chopper in HD, which is the hotness.

edit: the only slowdown i've had so far at 720p was in oblivion and that was related to the caching problems. once i cleared it out all that went away.

 

[EvanAdams]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Fox5
BTW, PBS is the only station I've seen that pretty much broadcasts in HD all day long.

maybe ota, but there are a few others that broadcast in hd all day long, aside from the two hd only channels (inhd and inhd2). discoveryHD shows monster garage and american chopper in HD, which is the hotness.

edit: the only slowdown i've had so far at 720p was in oblivion and that was related to the caching problems. once i cleared it out all that went away.

And if you have DirecTV and dont live in LA or NYC then you cant get PBS in HD at all.

 

[iamaelephant]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: Fox5

A 360 equiv computer on SDTV is probably in the x800 world with a p4 while a 360 equiv computer on HDTV is probably in the dual core x1900 world. double the rez, double the computer

Hardly, a 360 has slow down and stuttering (and even continuous low framerates on some games, though we could blame the cpu and not the graphics chip for this, but considering most of the 360's graphics chips specs are on par with mid-range PC cards, we can probably assume at least some blame can be put on the gpu) at 720P whereas a single x1900 won't slow down on any game at that res.

Based on what I've seen of the 360 and my own ghetto analysis of its hardware's potential, if used in the same way as a PC (and not designed to its strengths), then it's cpu is about the equivalent of a triple core 2.4ghz Pentium 4 (with current performance looking on par with a 2.4ghz single core p4 since current games aren't multithreaded) and its graphics card is about on the x800pro level in current shown performance, though I honestly expect much better from the X360's graphics core as time goes on. Basically, once games get multithreaded that should be a big improvement (at least putting it on par with a single core 3.8ghz p4 at the minimum) and once games get developed for the graphics chip (which should be much easier to take advantage than the cpu) then I expect performance on par with the much more expensive (for cost to produce) x1800xt. The 360 was designed to maximize cost per performance, not to be an all powerful at any cost machine, though microsoft certainly didn't skimp on peformance but they went for best possible at lowest cost, rather than a balls to the walls approach. (like the original xbox, where they spent huge amounts of money for what amounted to a rather small actual advantage, the Xbox group was under huge pressure from Microsoft management to cut costs with the 360 and they succeeded to a huge extent)

BTW, PBS is the only station I've seen that pretty much broadcasts in HD all day long.

Yeah sure. :disgust:

I don't think I've ever seen you contribute something useful to this forum.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: Fox5

A 360 equiv computer on SDTV is probably in the x800 world with a p4 while a 360 equiv computer on HDTV is probably in the dual core x1900 world. double the rez, double the computer

Hardly, a 360 has slow down and stuttering (and even continuous low framerates on some games, though we could blame the cpu and not the graphics chip for this, but considering most of the 360's graphics chips specs are on par with mid-range PC cards, we can probably assume at least some blame can be put on the gpu) at 720P whereas a single x1900 won't slow down on any game at that res.

Based on what I've seen of the 360 and my own ghetto analysis of its hardware's potential, if used in the same way as a PC (and not designed to its strengths), then it's cpu is about the equivalent of a triple core 2.4ghz Pentium 4 (with current performance looking on par with a 2.4ghz single core p4 since current games aren't multithreaded) and its graphics card is about on the x800pro level in current shown performance, though I honestly expect much better from the X360's graphics core as time goes on. Basically, once games get multithreaded that should be a big improvement (at least putting it on par with a single core 3.8ghz p4 at the minimum) and once games get developed for the graphics chip (which should be much easier to take advantage than the cpu) then I expect performance on par with the much more expensive (for cost to produce) x1800xt. The 360 was designed to maximize cost per performance, not to be an all powerful at any cost machine, though microsoft certainly didn't skimp on peformance but they went for best possible at lowest cost, rather than a balls to the walls approach. (like the original xbox, where they spent huge amounts of money for what amounted to a rather small actual advantage, the Xbox group was under huge pressure from Microsoft management to cut costs with the 360 and they succeeded to a huge extent)

BTW, PBS is the only station I've seen that pretty much broadcasts in HD all day long.

Yeah sure. :disgust:

I don't think I've ever seen you contribute something useful to this forum.

I dont think anyone did in this thread.

 

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The processor in the XBox 360 is similar in architecture to the PowerPC G5's. And there is no equivilent to the graphics processor since it was a custom job between Microsoft and ATI. Besides, the components in the 360 are specifically designed for gaming and gaming alone.