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Computer Disc Found in Iraq Said to Contain School Data

Amused

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U.S. Alerts Schools About Terror Threat
Computer Disc Found in Iraq Said to Contain School Data
By ELIZABETH WOLFE, AP

WASHINGTON (Oct. 8) -- Education officials in six states were put on notice last month that a computer disc found in Iraq over the summer contained photos, floor plans and other information about schools in their districts, two U.S. government officials said.

The downloaded data the U.S. military found in July - all publicly available on the Internet - included an Education Department report guiding schools on how to prepare and respond to a crisis, one official said Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The officials said it was unclear who downloaded the information and stressed they had no evidence of any specific threats involving the schools.

The districts mentioned were in California, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, New Jersey and Oregon, officials said, adding that the FBI alerted local education and law enforcement authorities of the finding about three weeks ago.

Officials did not provide the names of the districts. But Kay Baker, superintendent of Oregon's Salem-Keizer district, confirmed hers was among them.

''Local law enforcement has no knowledge of a specific threat to any of our school buildings,'' she said. ''We will work collaboratively with law enforcement on any further developments.''

Homeland Security Department spokesman Brian Roehrkasse said, ''We are unaware of any specific information that indicates terrorists are plotting or planning an attack at a school here in the United States.''

San Diego schools also were included, according to The San Diego Union-Tribune, and ABC News said there was a second California district. The Salem Statesman Journal reported the other districts were Fort Myers, Fla.; Jones County, Ga.; Birch Run, Mich.; and Franklinville and Rumson, both in New Jersey.

The disc contained an Education Department report called ''Practical Information on Crisis Planning: A Guide for Schools and Communities,'' published in May 2003, as well as photos and floor plans.

In a separate but more widespread warning put out this week, the Education Department advised school leaders nationwide to watch for people spying on their buildings or buses to help detect any possibility of terrorism like the deadly school siege last month in Russia.

The warning follows an analysis by the FBI and the Homeland Security Department of the siege that killed more than 330 people, nearly half of them children, in the city of Beslan.

''The horror of this attack may have created significant anxiety in our own country among parents, students, faculty staff and other community members,'' Deputy Education Secretary Eugene Hickok said in a letter sent Wednesday to schools and education groups.

The Education Department's advice is based on lessons learned from the Russian siege. But there is no specific information indicating a terrorist threat to any schools or universities in the United States, Hickok and other officials emphasized.

Federal law enforcement officials also have urged local police to stay in contact with school officials and have encouraged reporting of suspicious activities, the letter said.

In particular, schools were told to watch for activities that may be legitimate on their own - but may suggest a threat if many of them occur.

Among those activities:

-- Interest in obtaining site plans for schools, bus routes and attendance lists.

-- Prolonged ''static surveillance'' by people disguised as panhandlers, shoe shiners, or newspaper or flower vendors.

''It's a positive sign that they're finally discussing this after years of downplaying or denying even the possibility of a terrorist strike on schools,'' said Kenneth Trump, a Cleveland-based school safety consultant. ''Public officials are in fear of creating fear, but we have to put the cards on the table, educate people in the school community and make sure they are well prepared.''

The federal government is advising schools to take many steps to improve the security of their buildings. Those include installing locks for all doors and windows, having a single entry point into buildings and ensuring they can reach school bus drivers in an emergency.


10-08-04 0411 EDT

 
It was found back in July....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6198781/

The downloaded data the U.S. military found in July _ all publicly available on the Internet _ included an Education Department report guiding schools on how to prepare and respond to a crisis, one official said Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

If it was so worrisome, why the alert 3 months later?

These warnings are getting more and more like cry wolf syndrome...

*shrug*
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
It was found back in July....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6198781/

The downloaded data the U.S. military found in July _ all publicly available on the Internet _ included an Education Department report guiding schools on how to prepare and respond to a crisis, one official said Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

If it was so worrisome, why the alert 3 months later?

These warnings are getting more and more like cry wolf syndrome...

*shrug*
I agree.. wtf? Why 3 months later? 😕
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
It was found back in July....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6198781/

The downloaded data the U.S. military found in July _ all publicly available on the Internet _ included an Education Department report guiding schools on how to prepare and respond to a crisis, one official said Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

If it was so worrisome, why the alert 3 months later?

These warnings are getting more and more like cry wolf syndrome...

*shrug*

Sure.
But if they didn't say anything and something did actually happen then everyone would scream why didn't they warn us.
 
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Insane3D
It was found back in July....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6198781/

The downloaded data the U.S. military found in July _ all publicly available on the Internet _ included an Education Department report guiding schools on how to prepare and respond to a crisis, one official said Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

If it was so worrisome, why the alert 3 months later?

These warnings are getting more and more like cry wolf syndrome...

*shrug*
I agree.. wtf? Why 3 months later? 😕

I think in light of the Russian School incident, they decided the threat was much more real.
 
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Insane3D
It was found back in July....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6198781/

The downloaded data the U.S. military found in July _ all publicly available on the Internet _ included an Education Department report guiding schools on how to prepare and respond to a crisis, one official said Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

If it was so worrisome, why the alert 3 months later?

These warnings are getting more and more like cry wolf syndrome...

*shrug*
I agree.. wtf? Why 3 months later? 😕

coz that's closer to the elections?
 
Originally posted by: TheAudit
Originally posted by: Insane3D
It was found back in July....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6198781/

The downloaded data the U.S. military found in July _ all publicly available on the Internet _ included an Education Department report guiding schools on how to prepare and respond to a crisis, one official said Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

If it was so worrisome, why the alert 3 months later?

These warnings are getting more and more like cry wolf syndrome...

*shrug*

Sure.
But if they didn't say anything and something did actually happen then everyone would scream why didn't they warn us.

Not me. There simply are some sort of attacks no amount of planning will prevent. If a person wants to strap a bomb to themselves and walk into a crowded area...how can you prevent that?

I think warnings that are issued in response to specific intelligence are generally valid, but the problem arises when the timing is suspect, and possibly being used for political purposes. Politics should not be involved for these warnings to be effective.

Anyways, Iraq had no real connection to terrorists anyways, other than giving money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. *shrug*


Our supposed allies like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have extensive, documented connections to AQ and other terrorist groups, but our government seems cool with that.

 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Insane3D
It was found back in July....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6198781/

The downloaded data the U.S. military found in July _ all publicly available on the Internet _ included an Education Department report guiding schools on how to prepare and respond to a crisis, one official said Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

If it was so worrisome, why the alert 3 months later?

These warnings are getting more and more like cry wolf syndrome...

*shrug*
I agree.. wtf? Why 3 months later? 😕

I think in light of the Russian School incident, they decided the threat was much more real.

That is true...


From the MSNBC link...

The warning follows an analysis by the FBI and the Homeland Security Department of the siege that killed more than 330 people, nearly half of them children, in the city of Beslan.
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D

Anyways, Iraq had no real connection to terrorists anyways, other than giving money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. *shrug*

Iraq is flooded with terrorists from all over the world, and has been for over a year.
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Insane3D
It was found back in July....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6198781/

The downloaded data the U.S. military found in July _ all publicly available on the Internet _ included an Education Department report guiding schools on how to prepare and respond to a crisis, one official said Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

If it was so worrisome, why the alert 3 months later?

These warnings are getting more and more like cry wolf syndrome...

*shrug*
I agree.. wtf? Why 3 months later? 😕

I think in light of the Russian School incident, they decided the threat was much more real.

That is true...


From the MSNBC link...

The warning follows an analysis by the FBI and the Homeland Security Department of the siege that killed more than 330 people, nearly half of them children, in the city of Beslan.

Yeah, that quote is in my article too. 😛
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Insane3D

Anyways, Iraq had no real connection to terrorists anyways, other than giving money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. *shrug*

Iraq is flooded with terrorists from all over the world, and has been for over a year.

I would disagree with that to a point. I read somewhere that about 90% of the "insurgents" are Iraqi's, and less than 10% are foreign. Also, just because they are there now, does not make a connection.

Edit:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6198804/site/newsweek/

(The enemy used to be called ?Anti-Coalition Forces,? but have recently been renamed, by the Americans, ?Anti-Iraqi Forces.? In fact, they?re anti-American Iraqis. According to U.S. military intelligence, roughly 95 per cent of the insurgents nationwide are Iraqi. Only 3 to 5 percent are foreigners.)
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Insane3D

Anyways, Iraq had no real connection to terrorists anyways, other than giving money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. *shrug*

Iraq is flooded with terrorists from all over the world, and has been for over a year.

I would disagree with that to a point. I read somewhere that about 90% of the "insurgents" are Iraqi's, and less than 10% are foreign. Also, just because they are there now, does not make a connection.

I think it's more than clear that there are very strong outside terrorist organizations working within Iraq. The US is Iraq is an easy target for them.
 
Sorry about the late edit...see that article. Those figures are from US military intelligence.

🙂

Regardless of it they are there or not now, does not equal a connection before. Before we invaded, Iraq was not a particularly welcome place for religous exteremists since Saddam did all he could to suppress religion and ran a secular government.
 
Ah, so Iraq has NOW become a terrorist freehaven used for planning attacks abroad in the cover of the insurgency which is mostly Iraqis who never were involved in any terrorism?
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Insane3D

Anyways, Iraq had no real connection to terrorists anyways, other than giving money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. *shrug*

Iraq is flooded with terrorists from all over the world, and has been for over a year.

I would disagree with that to a point. I read somewhere that about 90% of the "insurgents" are Iraqi's, and less than 10% are foreign. Also, just because they are there now, does not make a connection.

I think it's more than clear that there are very strong outside terrorist organizations working within Iraq. The US is Iraq is an easy target for them.
Proof?

Regardless, he's talking in past tense, you're talking present. He said "had", you said "is". Saying that they're there because we're there kinda validates his point.......
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Sorry about the late edit...see that article. Those figures are from US military intelligence.

🙂

That doesn't make the foreign groups any less powerful or dangerous. Hell, they are probably far more organized.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Insane3D

Anyways, Iraq had no real connection to terrorists anyways, other than giving money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. *shrug*

Iraq is flooded with terrorists from all over the world, and has been for over a year.

<Insert obligatory it's all Bush's fault post>

Sorry it had to be done. 😉
 
My kids' high school has its floor plan posted helpfully on its "award winning" web site. Anybody looking for info like that on the web could find it. I'd post a link, but I don't think it's a good idea.

They also gave me a hard time a couple years ago when I refused to sign a permission slip to put my kids' pictures, names, addresses, etc on the web site. Idiots.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Sorry about the late edit...see that article. Those figures are from US military intelligence.

🙂

That doesn't make the foreign groups any less powerful or dangerous. Hell, they are probably far more organized.

More organized than Ex Iraqi army on home turf? I would think not.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Sorry about the late edit...see that article. Those figures are from US military intelligence.

🙂

That doesn't make the foreign groups any less powerful or dangerous. Hell, they are probably far more organized.

I'll agree with that. The question then arises...did it have to be that way? Was this the situation in Iraq before we invaded?

I know we don't see eye to eye on this stuff, and that's fine. We are sort of getting off track of the OP, so I yield.

🙂

Time for bed anyhow...
 
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Sorry about the late edit...see that article. Those figures are from US military intelligence.

🙂

That doesn't make the foreign groups any less powerful or dangerous. Hell, they are probably far more organized.

More organized than Ex Iraqi army on home turf? I would think not.

Ex-army types without leaders are a clusterfsck. I know, I used to be in the army.
 
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Insane3D

Anyways, Iraq had no real connection to terrorists anyways, other than giving money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. *shrug*

Iraq is flooded with terrorists from all over the world, and has been for over a year.

<Insert obligatory it's all Bush's fault post>

Sorry it had to be done. 😉

Now now...this thread has been civil...let's not mention the "B word". 😉

Edit:

Oh, almost forgot...

MIKE

😀
 
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