Compromise on Abortion

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Train
I dont understand why those teen girls that have a baby in thier basement or in a hotel room, then put the baby in a garbage bag and throw it in the nearest dumpster get made out to be such horrible people, taken away to jail, all over the news, the papers, people are all horrified that something like this happend in their town, etc. But if she killed the baby just a few days earlier, no one would have cared.

And how come when a pregnant woman gets murdered/killed, the defendant gets charged with two counts of murder/manslaughter?

we're just a backward society that has yet to embrace the good benefits of infanticide as a valid way to eliminated unwanted children.

You anti-infanticide people had better make a good argument that explains how you are going to pay for this unwanted child?s life! Otherwise it?s just utility that we let the unwanted children die off.

I could almost support your position but then when the act of actually teaching children responsibility crops up, the conservative line is to not teach the proper use of birth control.

but, as you can see, we do agree to this compromise of making sexual education talk all about how you can have plenty of sex without getting pregnant, along as we eliminate abortion.

Suggesting true sexual responsibility is way to much for kids, so why don?t we just tell them to go at it like animals, but not slaughter the children they produce. Seems like a fair compromise to me.

p.s. I?m for teaching children that the only way to be pregnancy and disease free sexually is not to have sex, and teaching them how why when and the full effectiveness of birth control measures; I'm also against the death penalty because i respect life, even that of someone that's raped and murdered people for years and will continue to do so in prison.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Train
I dont understand why those teen girls that have a baby in thier basement or in a hotel room, then put the baby in a garbage bag and throw it in the nearest dumpster get made out to be such horrible people, taken away to jail, all over the news, the papers, people are all horrified that something like this happend in their town, etc. But if she killed the baby just a few days earlier, no one would have cared.

And how come when a pregnant woman gets murdered/killed, the defendant gets charged with two counts of murder/manslaughter?

we're just a backward society that has yet to embrace the good benefits of infanticide as a valid way to eliminated unwanted children.

You anti-infanticide people had better make a good argument that explains how you are going to pay for this unwanted child?s life! Otherwise it?s just utility that we let the unwanted children die off.

Nice Sarcasm. Do you have anything useful to ad? You're a religous man. Let me ask you. Do you support the religous rights anti birth control position. Do you think it should be taught in schools?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

You're a religous man. Let me ask you.

if you say so bro?

Do you support the religous rights anti birth control position.

nothing wrong with birthcontroll IMHO, but I respect the catholics who disagree.

Do you think it should be taught in schools?

yes, because it?s important that we do what we can to stem the tide of sexually transmitted diseases and unintended children.

I wasn't being sarcastic, i was just arguing the same points for infanticide I?ve had argued for abortion, they are one and the same, and trying to logically separate them is an exorcize in semantics.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: OffTopic
Funny thing is that many Pro-Life people support the death sentence even those the system is flawed.

By definition, you can't really be 'pro-life' and pro-death penalty. But you're right, there are people that support the death penalty and oppose abortion (like Bush). I can make just about as many arguments against the death penalty as I can against abortion... Anyone care to start another topic? ;p

I could almost support your position but then when the act of actually teaching children responsibility crops up, the conservative line is to not teach the proper use of birth control. People have been having sex for a long time out of wed lock and having children. This isn't new. But we could teach people how to prevent it. Then we might not even have to discuss a compromise on abortion.

Interestingly enough, I know several women that have had abortions. They were all from very religous families that preached only abstinence. I'm not implying that means that this doesn't happen to more liberal families, but it does mean that teaching abstinence only isn't the answer.

The problem is that no one wants to be held responsible for their actions anymore. Parents teach this, not conservatives or liberals. If it's left to the schools, then the parents have already failed. I remember full well when our health teacher passed around the 'magic pizza box' full of condoms and other oddities... What a joke.

But seriously. I dont think that anyone in their right mind... in their right mind.... would like to see a unilateral ban on all abortions.

Apparently, there are quite a few. I don't consider myself completely insane, but I would have all abortions banned.