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Component vs. Svideo on a non HDTV.

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coolred

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I have a 27" Toshiba flat screen TV. It is not HD ready and therefor can not do progressive scan. But it does have Colorstream(Toshibas name for component)inputs, as well as Svideo and composite. Well I just got a new surround sound system, and I have some gift cards to spend, so I think I am finally gonna take my PS2 off its composite lifeline. I have had it connected via Svideo before, but I accidentally broke a pin on the connector and lost color,so i reverted to composite. But now I am wondering if it is worth it to use component over Svideo with my equipment. What do you think?

It seems to me that if you didn't get an advantage fromt he component connections, that there was no reason for Toshiba to include them on a standard TV. Unless they just do it as an extra selling point, but that doesn't seem worth it. SO I am assuming that component is worth it, but I want to know for sure bfore I spend the money.
 
With PS2? No not really, s-video is fine on a 27" non-HDTV. Most PS2 games do not support progressive scan anyway (do any of them?).
 
Yes, it's worth it. I have a 27" Toshiba as well and you can see the difference between component and composite, especially on DVDs. Not sure how much difference it would make with games, though.

Just don't spend too much on the cables.
 
you well see a diff bstween composit and svid or componenet . you wont see teh diff between svid and component tho. go with what is cheaper

if teh receiver you are gfetting supports opticial sound. get a toslink cable and run it out of the PS2. that you WILL notice
 
Yeah well I'm not really worrie dbaout if the games supposrt progressive scan, since my TV doesn't. I mean I understand that using the component cables on a standard TV should increase the quality of the PS2's output, but I am just not sure how much, and if its worth it, since I am sure component cables are prolly a little bit more expensive then Svideo.


BTW nice HTPC post you posted earlier kami, I didn't post in there, but I read it and you did a great job, looks nice.


Bigsmooth, what cables do you recommend? From what i hear Monster cables are way to overpriced for what they do, what other brands should I look at?
 
Yeah thats kinda what i was thinking anubis. I got the Onkyo HT S760 HTiB. Its a pretty decent setup for the money. It does support optical, so i will definately do that.

One things I have to read to find out about though, or maybe some of you know. Frm what i have read in the Onkyo's manual it does not convert video sources to differant cables. What I mean is if you connect your PS2 to the receiver with component but then run Svideo out to the TV(I have no idea why you would do that, but hypothetically)you will get no video, since they have to be connected witht he same cable. But what i am wondering is what if I use component or Svideo for the PS2, but then later need to connect something using composite. As long as I use composite in and then composite out that should work right? Or will the reciever only try to output to the highest quality available?
 
How baout anything from media play. I have a 50 dollar gift card from there, but not much to spend it on. I would rather get the cables there, but only if they have decent cables other then monster.
 
Originally posted by: coolred
Yeah thats kinda what i was thinking anubis. I got the Onkyo HT S760 HTiB. Its a pretty decent setup for the money. It does support optical, so i will definately do that.

One things I have to read to find out about though, or maybe some of you know. Frm what i have read in the Onkyo's manual it does not convert video sources to differant cables. What I mean is if you connect your PS2 to the receiver with component but then run Svideo out to the TV(I have no idea why you would do that, but hypothetically)you will get no video, since they have to be connected witht he same cable. But what i am wondering is what if I use component or Svideo for the PS2, but then later need to connect something using composite. As long as I use composite in and then composite out that should work right? Or will the reciever only try to output to the highest quality available?
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humm no idea about that.
 
on a 27 non hdtv you will not notice a difference, go s-vid, that's how i hook up all my game systems and such through a switch box, a component switch box would be expensive, but the ones with rca and s-vid are cheap.
 
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: coolred
Yeah thats kinda what i was thinking anubis. I got the Onkyo HT S760 HTiB. Its a pretty decent setup for the money. It does support optical, so i will definately do that.

One things I have to read to find out about though, or maybe some of you know. Frm what i have read in the Onkyo's manual it does not convert video sources to differant cables. What I mean is if you connect your PS2 to the receiver with component but then run Svideo out to the TV(I have no idea why you would do that, but hypothetically)you will get no video, since they have to be connected witht he same cable. But what i am wondering is what if I use component or Svideo for the PS2, but then later need to connect something using composite. As long as I use composite in and then composite out that should work right? Or will the reciever only try to output to the highest quality available?
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humm no idea about that.
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That reciever will probably not do the medium conversion you are looking for. I forgot the term for when you can use connect component cables to your monitor while having the reciever upconvert weaker mediums such as composite.

I have the Onkyo Sr-tx600 and it is either on par with your receiver with a few differences, and it does NOT support that.

I wish it did🙁
 
Originally posted by: TheShiz
on a 27 non hdtv you will not notice a difference, go s-vid, that's how i hook up all my game systems and such through a switch box, a component switch box would be expensive, but the ones with rca and s-vid are cheap.
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I just bought the new Pelican component switch. It does switching for component, S-Video, composite, Optical Audio, and Ethernet. It's $99 and totally badass.
 
S-Video is visibly better than composite because all the colors are seperated. Component is the same way (Read: "Not much different than S-Video"), except the colors are further seperated/shielded on different cables and the cables are rated to handle a much higher frequency which will be unused in your case. So in your case, you'll notice a huge difference when you move to S-Video and nearly no difference when further moving to component. With progressive-scan resolutions or 1080i over component, the same is no longer true.

TechTV's The Screen Savers just said that too, though incorrectly. They neglected that you could be running 1080i or 720p over component for a much different story, but this does not apply to you (It did apply to their "home theater set-up special with a plasma television). When asked which was better than which, they responded that you'll see the greatest improvement with S-Video and that said you probably can't even see the difference component cables make over S-Video.

EDIT: Whew. That wasn't very intelligible before the edit. How did that component/composite mistake get made when I specifically double-checked for that one? 😉 /EDIT
 
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: TheShiz
on a 27 non hdtv you will not notice a difference, go s-vid, that's how i hook up all my game systems and such through a switch box, a component switch box would be expensive, but the ones with rca and s-vid are cheap.
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I just bought the new Pelican component switch. It does switching for component, S-Video, composite, Optical Audio, and Ethernet. It's $99 and totally badass.
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I just bought it too, but it's far from bad-ass. 😉 It has unacceptable signal loss for anything over 480p, and I knew this before buying it, but I got it for $69 and I figure it'll tie all my old stuff together with my 480p stuff nicely. The XBOX can use my TV's second HD input.

Order online and it costs $10 less plus you get the $20 gift card. You can't apply the $5 Gamer's Gift Card coupon with the $20 GC offer, and they refuse to price match the web site. Just order with free shipping on line. In-store pickup wouldn't work for any store I tried even though it was in stock, and they refused to price-match their own website (even though 1-888-BEST-BUY told me to go in the store with a print-out to get it done... Yeah I was pissed). I tried the zip codes from 20 different stores. It's fubared
 
I should clarify I do use my PS2 as a DVD player as well, not just for gaming.



Goosemaster, I know it won't convert composite up to Svideo or component or convert either of those to back down. What I am saying is if I connect my PS2 via component into the receiver then component out to the TV, then the PS2 will work. If I then connect say another video game system or DVD player or somehting with Svideo into the receiver, I know that won't produce a signal through the component cables, but if I also run Svideo out of the receiver and into the TV, then it would have an Svideo path available and wouldn't have to even worry about converting the signal. I am basically just wondering if it is capable of knowing that it has Svideo connected or if it will just default to the highest connection quality, in this case component. I am guessing that it will, otherwise it would be stupid.
 
Yeah I know svideo is leaps and bounds better then composite, I have used it before. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on much by not going up to component, but by the sounds of it for me Svideo si the best choice.
 
Originally posted by: coolred
I should clarify I do use my PS2 as a DVD player as well, not just for gaming.



Goosemaster, I know it won't convert composite up to Svideo or component or convert either of those to back down. What I am saying is if I connect my PS2 via component into the receiver then component out to the TV, then the PS2 will work. If I then connect say another video game system or DVD player or somehting with Svideo into the receiver, I know that won't produce a signal through the component cables, but if I also run Svideo out of the receiver and into the TV, then it would have an Svideo path available and wouldn't have to even worry about converting the signal. I am basically just wondering if it is capable of knowing that it has Svideo connected or if it will just default to the highest connection quality, in this case component. I am guessing that it will, otherwise it would be stupid.
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each connection should be labled dvd, tv, etc. or video one, video two. you can do what you are asking, you would just have to change the input selection on the receiver, and your tv, when switching consoles.

 
Oh yeah, I forgot to ask my question.

Only "Newer model" PS2s support progressive-scan. No one told me if it's only the new model with the built-in IR receiver or if it also works with older models of a specific model number (Seen on the rear label). Do the component cables work with all models for 480i or ar they only useful for the newer models? I've been seeing them on the shelves for a while and possibly since before the new model, but certainly not all along.

And I added a link to my post about the Pelican Universal System Selector Pro / No-name Pro System Selector
 
Yeah I guess I will have to see the price differance, if its not too much I will just get component. If its a big differance then I will go Svideo.


BTW CZroe, I am pretty sure the component cables work for all models of the PS2, while only the newer progressive scan models will fully utilize the cables.
 
Component will be slightly better than S-video, but not as drastic a difference compared to composite for your PS2 and non-progressive scan video.
 
Hey guys, I'm back with another question. I know monster cables are overpriced, but how do they compare qaulity wise to other cables? I am asking because I would like to get the cables at media play since I have gift card there. But I am pretty sure they only carry monster cable and maybe one other generic kind. But if the generic kind isn't much cheaper or if they are all out, I want to know that it is okay to go with monster. SInce moneys not really an issue.
 
Originally posted by: CZroe
S-Video is visibly better than component because all the colors are seperated. Component is the same way (Read: "Not much different"), except the colors are further seperated/shielded on different cables and the cables are rated to handle a much higher frequency which will be unused in your case. So in your case, you'll notice a huge difference when you move to S-Video and nearly no difference when using component.

TechTV's The Screen Savers just said that too, though incorrectly. They neglected that you could be running 1080i or 720p over component for a much different story, but this does not apply to you (It did apply to their "home theater set-up special with a plasma television). When asked which was better than which, they responded that you'll see the greatest improvement with S-Video and that said you probably can't even see the difference component cables make.
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I think you want to rethink what you said about component vs. s-video.

Perhaps you have component and composite confused?
 
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