Comparison on almost equal systems: X800pro and 6800GT !

[Markfw]

OK, I only ran one test , 3dmark03, but I wanted to see the quality difference and the speed difference. Below is a summary (both systems win200pro, all patches):

system 1: My sig. But only one 2.2 ghz dual channel processor is used in 3dmark03. I think I last benchmarked using cat 4.1 and got 10k.

system 2: Athlon64 3200 939 pin winchester at 2.2 ghz, dual channel ram, just like the opteron. 1 gig ram. nvida 66.97 (got artifacts or anomolies with 66.93 on nvidia site) 11,135.

The quality seems very close, but I give the overall to ATI (not the same monitors, so I won;t argue this point) Both at 1280x1024, but the test ran at 1024x768. I guess there is a 10% difference, but I thought people got 13k with a fast athlon64.

So bottom line ? Whichever is cheaper, get it...... They are both OK.

 

[chaonatic]

So you like the ATI better? Wanna trade your 6800 GT for my Sapphire X800 Pro? I want an nVidia card now, lol.

 

[Todd33]

The X800 pros OC better, so they can compensate for the 12 pipes a bit. I agree, get which ever is cheaper, I only paid $300 shipped for my X800 and it was worth it. I am very impressed, with both the speed and the little things. It may not pump out the raw frame rates in Doom III (does anyone play that game?), but it's very stable and does not seem to have all the glitches that the 6800 crowd complains about. It seems Nvidia rushed the release a bit or just bad third party vendors ATI has it's own supply problems too.

 

[Darth Farter]

it's a mix of luck of getting a defective card, but the 6800gt performs overal better then the x800pro (looking at the whole lot of review sites and hardware forums) and has some bits of newer technology that will give it even more of an edge over the x800pro the upcoming year(s) dx9.0c/sm3.0/hdrl/sli

ever wonder why ati themselves have already put another x8XXseries against the 6series of nvidia and even retracted some stuff(*cough x700xt)?

 

[zakee00]

Originally posted by: Darth Farter
...and has some bits of newer technology that will give it even more of an edge over the x800pro the upcoming year(s) dx9.0c/sm3.0/hdrl/sli

ever wonder why ati themselves have already put another x8XXseries against the 6series of nvidia and even retracted some stuff(*cough x700xt)?

 

[Blastman]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

The quality seems very close, but I give the overall to ATI (not the same monitors, so I won;t argue this point) Both at 1280x1024, but the test ran at 1024x768. I guess there is a 10% difference, but I thought people got 13k with a fast athlon64.

NV still has optimizations (cheats) in 3Dmark2003 (~ 15%????) -- so the scores in that bench really are not comparable across platforms.

Originally posted by: Darth Farter

ever wonder why ati themselves have already put another x8XXseries against the 6series of nvidia and even retracted some stuff(*cough x700xt)?

The X700 XT would have been a good card in it?s price range. And it may still be produced by some venders from what I?ve read. But ATI will be replacing the X700 XT with a much faster card, the 12pipe X800. Hard to argue with more speed for the same price.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Blastman

Originally posted by: Markfw900

The quality seems very close, but I give the overall to ATI (not the same monitors, so I won;t argue this point) Both at 1280x1024, but the test ran at 1024x768. I guess there is a 10% difference, but I thought people got 13k with a fast athlon64.

NV still has optimizations (cheats) in 3Dmark2003 (~ 15%????) -- so the scores in that bench really are not comparable across platforms.

Originally posted by: Darth Farter

ever wonder why ati themselves have already put another x8XXseries against the 6series of nvidia and even retracted some stuff(*cough x700xt)?

The X700 XT would have been a good card in it?s price range. And it may still be produced by some venders from what I?ve read. But ATI will be replacing the X700 XT with a much faster card, the 12pipe X800. Hard to argue with more speed for the same price.

What are you doing?

 

[BlindBartimaeus]

Most review sites don't put out minimum FPS number...except a slight few. This is where Nvidia blows. I had a 6800GT...nice card...but not for 400 bucks. I have 3000+A64 @ 2.47 gig and there are places in Source it would chug but overall fps were above 150-200. Ati's offering wouldn't chug in water during battles etc. but didn't have as lofty numbers in other areas. ATI is giving a better gaming experience right now. Nvidia is giving a better benchmark experience.

 

[McArra]

Originally posted by: BlindBartimaeus
Most review sites don't put out minimum FPS number...except a slight few. This is where Nvidia blows. I had a 6800GT...nice card...but not for 400 bucks. I have 3000+A64 @ 2.47 gig and there are places in Source it would chug but overall fps were above 150-200. Ati's offering wouldn't chug in water during battles etc. but didn't have as lofty numbers in other areas. ATI is giving a better gaming experience right now. Nvidia is giving a better benchmark experience.

That's not true, have a look @Xbitlabs farcry benches...

 

[Todd33]

Most benchmarks sites also just bench the same 3-4 games, so you never get a real feel for how the cards perform in general. How many people play Doom III or UT2K4?

I'm more interested in WoW, EQ2, HL2, BF series, etc. Only Tom's hardware has a few different games in their VGA lists. I also feel the quality from the various Nvidia vendors like XFX and eVGA blows chunks compared to a typical BBA card. How many threads do we see a day about bad 6x00 cards? If you like bragging rights about 200fps in Doom III you are not really seeing the forrest through the trees. The measure of a good card is more than peak frame rate.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Most benchmarks sites also just bench the same 3-4 games, so you never get a real feel for how the cards perform in general. How many people play Doom III or UT2K4?

I'm more interested in WoW, EQ2, HL2, BF series, etc. Only Tom's hardware has a few different games in their VGA lists. I also feel the quality from the various Nvidia vendors like XFX and eVGA blows chunks compared to a typical BBA card. How many threads do we see a day about bad 6x00 cards? If you like bragging rights about 200fps in Doom III you are not really seeing the forrest through the trees. The measure of a good card is more than peak frame rate.

Riiiight. The only games that matter are the games that shine better on ATI hardware. Right Todd?
The way I see it, The most played online games according to Xfire (a popular gamers IM game tracking program) are:

Call of Duty
Call of Duty United Offensive
World of Warcraft
Counter Strike
Counter Strike Source
Star Wars Galaxies (believe it or not)


The games I see that are played very little online are:

DoomIII
HL2
Unreal Tournament (any version) Hardly ever see this one.
Everquest

There are numerous games that I never see. This program keeps track of thousands of online gamers at any given time.

I own:

DoomIII (which I still play whether you like it or not Todd)
HL2 (Great game, still haven't finished it yet though)
Call of Duty (the game I play the most)
Call of Duty United Offensive (I play this a lot also)
Counter Strike Source (meh) Good thing I got this bundled with HL2 as I would not have been happy if I bought it separately)
Far Cry (Once in a long while)
Painkiller & Battle out of Hell expansion (Very often)
C & C Generals (Hardly ever play this anymore)

And my 6800GT on a 2.8b (yes, 533 fsb) Crushes all of them.

Unlike you Todd, I will not comment on a product I have never owned. I have not owned an X800 based card so I don't have any experience with them. You have never owned a 6800 based product, yet your chocked full of knowledge about them. All I can do is read benches and price/performance ratio's like you do.

Edit: I would just like to add this. If I went out and bought a X800pro, I'm sure I'd be very happy with the power of that card. And I can guarantee that if you went out and bought a 6800GT, I would call BS if you reported that you were not happy with it. I actually have a FS/FT thread right now wanted to trade some of my PC parts to get a X800 based card amoung others. I have an open mind. Willing to try them out.

 

[Todd33]

Nice rant, but why does the number of players on online games matter? I'm missing your point, sorry.

It doesn't take a lot to see the amount of bitching about 6800 cards in various forums. EQ2 forums were full of Nvidia hate posts in the technical forums before I quit playing. People were a little pissed that 98000 pros were outperforming 6800Us in EQ2. I had to keep up with all the info there because my friend owns the BFG 6800GT and was very concerned with his hiccups and low framerates. I'm not saying one card is better than the other, but people often have the mentality "my card crushes your card". All they can do is quote Doom III benchmarks and then have selective memories for driver problems, bad card with artifacts, random reboots, DOA cards, game issues like EQ2, etc. I was making the point that the best card for some peple is not whether is "wins" at some benchmark, but wortks best with their games and their system. Sorry you got so defensive. I've owned plenty of Nvidia cards (I'm new to ATI myself) and would have a 6800GT now if events had turned out differently. Both lines are great, but neither "crushes" the other.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Nice rant, but why does the number of players on online games matter? I'm missing your point, sorry.

It doesn't take a lot to see the amount of bitching about 6800 cards in various forums. EQ2 forums were full of Nvidia hate posts in the technical forums before I quit playing. People were a little pissed that 98000 pros were outperforming 6800Us in EQ2. I had to keep up with all the info there because my friend owns the BFG 6800GT and was very concerned with his hiccups and low framerates. I'm not saying one card is better than the other, but people often have the mentality "my card crushes your card". All they can do is quote Doom III benchmarks and then have selective memories for driver problems, bad card with artifacts, random reboots, DOA cards, game issues like EQ2, etc. I was making the point that the best card for some peple is not whether is "wins" at some benchmark, but wortks best with their games and their system. Sorry you got so defensive. I've owned plenty of Nvidia cards (I'm new to ATI myself) and would have a 6800GT now if events had turned out differently. Both lines are great, but neither "crushes" the other.

I'm sorry, but the way you post would seem to indicate that you have used ATI forever since the beginning. I would have never guessed you are new to ATI hardware.

The EQ2 issue is thought to be a driver bug as per reviewers or a game code bug as indicated in those benches/articles.
You are right, one card does not crush the other. Only usually a bit ahead depending on the games.
And people will have problems with any piece of hardware once in a while. Just because we are hearing more about 6800's indicate that more people probably own them thus increasing the ratio.

Like I said, I am trying to score a x800pro/XT in a trade of some sort. Will conduct my own testing on my same rig for true results. I have enought of the top games played today to come to a conclusion about which card is better overall for me.

Yes, it was a rant. No, you didn't offend me.

-Keys

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

HardOCP also gives max/min/avg fps, which gives a better impression of what's going on.

For example, in their benches of Far Cry, the 6800s had higher average and maximum fps, but lower minimum fps and more spikes below 30 fps.

Conversely, in HL2 the x800s had higher average and maximum fps, but lower minimum fps with more spikes below 30 fps.

Most of the performance issues with newer games are driver-related, so I wouldn't draw any conclusions about one piece of hardware being superior to another based on that.

And ATI does have an advantage in the driver department this time because there were very few changes in the architecture from the 9800s, while the NV4x was basically built from scratch.

 

[Todd33]

Ya, most of the stuff is driver related, so if your card is technically superior (16 vs 12 pipes), but the driver all a bit bugged for your favorite game, how do you weigh the pros and cons to choose? The general consensus is that the X800 line is hard to find or priced too high in AGP. It makes more sense to pick up a 6800GT at $370 than a X800 Pro for $430 unless your game really hates one driver or another. If ATI can get more cards on the market and drop the prices (the X800XL looks promising) then the choice won't be so easy for most. ATI also need to work on OpenGL and Linux drivers to catch up to Nvidia.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Ya, most of the stuff is driver related, so if your card is technically superior (16 vs 12 pipes), but the driver all a bit bugged for your favorite game, how do you weigh the pros and cons to choose? The general consensus is that the X800 line is hard to find or priced too high in AGP. It makes more sense to pick up a 6800GT at $370 than a X800 Pro for $430 unless your game really hates one driver or another. If ATI can get more cards on the market and drop the prices (the X800XL looks promising) then the choice won't be so easy for most. ATI also need to work on OpenGL and Linux drivers to catch up to Nvidia.

I would love to get my hands on a X800XL. For 300 (if its available at that MSRP price point) its a steal.

 

[Blastman]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Blastman

The X700 XT would have been a good card in it?s price range. And it may still be produced by some venders from what I?ve read. But ATI will be replacing the X700 XT with a much faster card, the 12pipe X800. Hard to argue with more speed for the same price.

What are you doing?

You have to use those words when you get your news from the Inquirer. 😉 Makes perfect sense if you read it carefully -- think $200 price point.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Darth Farter
...but the 6800gt performs overal better then the x800pro (looking at the whole lot of review sites and hardware forums) and has some bits of newer technology that will give it even more of an edge over the x800pro the upcoming year(s): dx9.0c/sm3.0/

Which are the same thing. What difference they will make is still to be decided.

hdr

Too slow to be of any consequence on this generation, unfortunately.

sli

Not on AGP cards. On PCI-e though, it is an intriguing feature.

ever wonder why ati themselves have already put another x8XXseries against the 6series of nvidia and even retracted some stuff(*cough x700xt)?

The shady submarining of the X700XT and release of the X800XT has no bearing on the relative performance of the X800 Pro and 6800GT cards. It is indicative of ATI being tremendously worried about the 6600GT, however.

Any thread with X800 Pro and 6800GT in the title is open flamebait here, as long as several regulars come in and post. I'm not going to name names.

Good intentions by the OP (although a bit of a dead horse): the X800 Pro and 6800GT are quite close in performance in non-Doom3 games. It's usually a margin of 5-10% tops.

 

[GML3G0]

Well, I can get an ATi (not rebranded) X800 Pro for $360. The 6800 GT is $390 when shipping is factored in. Which one would you guys go for? Will 3dC make an impact in the future? I'm having a hard time choosing between the two. I play mostly DirectX games. I notice when AA and and AF are enabled, the X800 Pro comes out on top.

 

[villageidiot111]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Riiiight. The only games that matter are the games that shine better on ATI hardware. Right Todd?
The way I see it, The most played online games according to Xfire (a popular gamers IM game tracking program) are:

Call of Duty
Call of Duty United Offensive
World of Warcraft
Counter Strike
Counter Strike Source
Star Wars Galaxies (believe it or not)


The games I see that are played very little online are:

DoomIII
HL2
Unreal Tournament (any version) Hardly ever see this one.
Everquest

There are numerous games that I never see. This program keeps track of thousands of online gamers at any given time.

I'm not so sure about those stats. According to gamespy, Unreal tournament 2004 is the 4th most played online game. Check out http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/ .