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Company stops 401K match...would it be better to invest another way?

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alkemyst

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I was getting a 75% match up to 6%, it's done now until the economy improves.

Is there better investments now that I can move pretax money too? I was also thinking of loaning myself money out of the 401K to pay off higher interest cards....but not sure how this impact the compounding. I'd rather pay myself the interest than the card companies.
 
IRA. You'll generally have more freedom. Whatever you do don't stop maxing everything out at this incredible buy time.
 
depends on your situation.. I would say a Roth IRA should be what you look at first, but you have to qualify for it and it's post-tax money.
 
I'd stop contributing, and pay off high % cards. But I don't think I'd take out a loan. Do you have money in the bank so you won't have to charge more if an emergency happens (i.e. car repairs, medical, etc)?

 
I'd just keep investing in the 401k and ride it out....maybe reduce the percentage down to 3-5% that you contribute but i wouldn't stop all together
Don't loan money out of the 401k right now - that would be crazy. Why sell things at their lowest price in decades? Just use the money gained by reducing the % and include that in paying off the cards.
 
What % of your annual net income do you carry on your cards, and what % are the cards at?

Past that, Roth IRA is probably your answer. Something like an Index fund with Vanguard will have an extremely low expense where most 401k's have a lot of tacked on expenses.
 
If you aren't being matched anywhere else then you need to get into a Roth IRA. The only reason to get into another 401k is if you are being matched.
 
For some reason I feel that your matching will probably never come back. Once you're used to not getting it, why would they give it back?
 
It seems like most company 401K plans are actually pretty crap...but since the match gives you an instant doubling of your money they're still a net plus. Without a match, I don't really see any reason to invest in one instead of an IRA or Roth.
 
Right now you definitely want to be maxing it out (assuming you're young). Dow at 7000 is steal, you'll be a millionaire by the time you retire.
 
Originally posted by: nonameo
For some reason I feel that your matching will probably never come back. Once you're used to not getting it, why would they give it back?

This.
 
A 401K usually has masive fees and limited selection. Thus 401K investments are usually a poor choice, except for the fact that companies often match. Thus, without the match, you are almost always better off in other investments. Note: you could certainly do worse by investing in a high fee fund, but we know you'll ask ATOT first before doing something like that.

Generally options are Roth IRA (post tax money), pre-tax IRA, post-tax IRA, and just a regular investment without regard to retirement. I'm not a tax expert, but from what I read in the 1040 instruction manual, you may be limited in your choices. In the worksheet to calculate how much you can contribute, you have to select if you were covered by an employer's plan or not. Your answer is half (you were covered until today) and half (you weren't covered after today). So, you might want to ask in the tax thread, see an accountant, or read IRS Publication 590 to see if you are limited in what you can do. The limitations would apply to Roth IRA and the pre-tax IRA. Post-tax IRA and regular investments are never limited.

If you want pre-tax investing, you are stuck with the pre-tax IRA. Typically you can invest up to $5000 a year this way, but there are some exceptions. I suggest looking into Vanguard or some other low cost company, pick a fund ($3000 minimum with Vanguard), and stick it all into one or two funds as soon as you can while prices are good. They'll ask and make certain that you say you want it with pre-tax IRA funds.

Post-tax is also a good route. You are gambling on tax rates. If tax rates go up by the time you retire, then you want to pay tax now when you get a good deal (go Roth IRA or post-tax IRA). If tax rates go down by the time you retire, then you want to pay tax then (pre-tax IRA). Since tax rates are historicaly pretty low now, you probably should expect them to go up.

Don't borrow from your 401k. There aren't any penalties or taxes from borrowing IF you can repay it on time. But, if you lose your job, you instantly owe it all back. It is really hard to repay a large loan just when you lose your job. So then, you are stuck with massive fees AND you have to pay income tax on that money you borrowed. That is a double whammy just when you lose your job.

If you need to pay off debt, the better option is to just stop investing for a brief period, pay off the debt, then invest again.
 
Originally posted by: Saga
Originally posted by: nonameo
For some reason I feel that your matching will probably never come back. Once you're used to not getting it, why would they give it back?

This.

Unless they want to cut something else...

<--- Cut 401k match a few years ago....

<--- Gave back 401k match when freezing pension at current levels forever.

<--- Assumes 401k match will be cut again soon and never to return.

<--- says fuck it and will never get to retire.
 
Originally posted by: Saga
Originally posted by: nonameo
For some reason I feel that your matching will probably never come back. Once you're used to not getting it, why would they give it back?

This.

Same way companies started giving it...to attract employees.
 
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