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I'm gathering examples of companies that we all think of as #1 but aren't anymore for a book I'm working on. Examples:

Hertz isn?t #1 ? Enterprise is (locations and revenues)

McDonald?s isn?t the biggest fast food chain in the U.S. (by # of outlets) ? Subway is. (13,700 vs. 20,000+; might be by revenue, too)

Please let me know any you can think of -- thanks!
 
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Originally posted by: Lord Zado
Wow Subway beats out McDonalds?

Know you know and knowledge is power :)
P.S. Subway is def. #1 based on market share, I'll have to dig more to find out about revenue
 

broon

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Cingular has the fewest dropped calls.

When you have less subscribers maybe...but the drops/subscribers percentage isn't the least.
 

So

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Originally posted by: broon
Cingular has the fewest dropped calls.

When you have less subscribers maybe...but the drops/subscribers percentage isn't the least.

Huh? Who's bigger than cingular? They are huge.
 

Tiamat

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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: broon
Cingular has the fewest dropped calls.

When you have less subscribers maybe...but the drops/subscribers percentage isn't the least.

Huh? Who's bigger than cingular? They are huge.

No clue, but i always question useless statistics like those because they dont offer real information like as "percentage of people who complain vs dont, and percentage of users with dropped calls" would be much more helpful and meaningful.

My contribution,

MIT is not #1 for bioengineering.
JHU is and has been for many years.

(Universities are like corporations)
 

kt

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Originally posted by: Lord Zado
Wow Subway beats out McDonalds?

If you look at the size of Subway vs. McDonalds you should know why. Most Subway's don't even have tables for you to sit.
 

Jawo

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Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: Lord Zado
Wow Subway beats out McDonalds?

Know you know and knowledge is power :)
P.S. Subway is def. #1 based on market share, I'll have to dig more to find out about revenue

Yup...there's an article in today's Wall Street Journal about it. "For Subway Every Nook and Cranny is a Possible Location for a Franchise"

You have to have an online subscription at WSJ or could try LexisNexis...
 
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Originally posted by: kt
Originally posted by: Lord Zado
Wow Subway beats out McDonalds?

If you look at the size of Subway vs. McDonalds you should know why. Most Subway's don't even have tables for you to sit.

Well, it can be argued that the streamlined restaurants (in the back of gas stations, etc.) is better adapted to modern times. Less rent per store, less of a staff = more profits.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: Lord Zado
Wow Subway beats out McDonalds?

Subway has tons of mini-stores in gas stations and other locations. It's also really cheap to set one up compared to other restaurants (like McDonalds), they can operate with only one or two people working at a time so they don't need to do as much business to stay afloat, and Subway will let another franchisee open up right near you if they're willing to pay the franchise fee.
 
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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Lord Zado
Wow Subway beats out McDonalds?

Subway has tons of mini-stores in gas stations and other locations. It's also really cheap to set one up compared to other restaurants (like McDonalds), they can operate with only one or two people working at a time so they don't need to do as much business to stay afloat, and Subway will let another franchisee open up right near you if they're willing to pay the franchise fee.

Doesn't Subway also have a lower Franchising Fee compared to other franchises?
 

GreenGhost

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Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
I'm gathering examples of companies that we all think of as #1 but aren't anymore for a book I'm working on. Examples:

Hertz isn?t #1 ? Enterprise is (locations and revenues)

McDonald?s isn?t the biggest fast food chain in the U.S. (by # of outlets) ? Subway is. (13,700 vs. 20,000+; might be by revenue, too)

Please let me know any you can think of -- thanks!

Interesting topic, but one co. will be bigger according to one criterion, and will lose in others. McDo, Hertz & Avis are global co.s while Entreprise is basically only in the US and a few countries.
 

Cristatus

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Interesting topic. Definitely didn't know that about Subway/McDonald's but I thought it would have been McDonalds, at least in Europe. Oh....nevermind, just re-read that, and it says US.
 
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Originally posted by: GreenGhost
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
I'm gathering examples of companies that we all think of as #1 but aren't anymore for a book I'm working on. Examples:

Hertz isn?t #1 ? Enterprise is (locations and revenues)

McDonald?s isn?t the biggest fast food chain in the U.S. (by # of outlets) ? Subway is. (13,700 vs. 20,000+; might be by revenue, too)

Please let me know any you can think of -- thanks!

Interesting topic, but one co. will be bigger according to one criterion, and will lose in others. McDo, Hertz & Avis are global co.s while Entreprise is basically only in the US and a few countries.

True, but we're talking about terms costumers think in - usually market penetration. The sony/samsung one is a better example than McDonalds/Subways in that manner - in sales, Samsung beats Sony though end-users think otherwise. There's more esoteric criteria - the luxury (or perceived luxury) angle - "Bose is the #1 producer of high end audio" is far from true but customers usually think that - that's not an angle we're looking at.
 

Thraxen

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The Subway > McDonalds surprises me too. It seems like there is a McD's in every small town across America. I'd actually have to hunt down a Subway if I was traveling, but maybe it just seems that way since Subway doesn't put up giant signs like McD's does.
 

broon

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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: broon
Cingular has the fewest dropped calls.

When you have less subscribers maybe...but the drops/subscribers percentage isn't the least.

Huh? Who's bigger than cingular? They are huge.

Verizon is the leader.
 

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freedomsbeat212 isn't #1
I am, bassed on market share not on posts.......
 

dugweb

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Verizon advertises that they have the largest network... but that is only true because they pay alltell to use their existing network. (alltell has the single largest network)

edit: and now you guys have me craving subway for lunch
 
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Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: broon
Cingular has the fewest dropped calls.

When you have less subscribers maybe...but the drops/subscribers percentage isn't the least.

Huh? Who's bigger than cingular? They are huge.

Verizon is the leader.

That's not true, Cingular is #1 in market share:
Cingular and Verizon Wireless both reported unexpectedly strong subscriber growth in the fourth quarter, with Verizon picking up two million new subscribers and Cingular garnering 1.8 million, compared to some analysts' expectations that Cingular would only see growth of about a million.
The growth brings total number of subscribers at Cingular to 54.1 million, up 5.1 million for the year 2005. For Verizon the total now stands at 51.3, up 7.5 million on the year.
Verizon, which holds number two market share in the United States but has been steadily inching up on Cingular, was bragging that the two million total sets a new record for the industry. It added that the fourth quarter of 2005 was the company's 14th consecutive quarter of double-digit, year-over-year quarterly growth in net subscriber adds, and the seventh consecutive quarter in which it added more than 1.5 million net customers.
 

Tom

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I bet if you measure customers served, or gross revenues, McDonalds trounces Subway.


 

broon

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Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: broon
Cingular has the fewest dropped calls.

When you have less subscribers maybe...but the drops/subscribers percentage isn't the least.

Huh? Who's bigger than cingular? They are huge.

Verizon is the leader.

That's not true, Cingular is #1 in market share:
Cingular and Verizon Wireless both reported unexpectedly strong subscriber growth in the fourth quarter, with Verizon picking up two million new subscribers and Cingular garnering 1.8 million, compared to some analysts' expectations that Cingular would only see growth of about a million.
The growth brings total number of subscribers at Cingular to 54.1 million, up 5.1 million for the year 2005. For Verizon the total now stands at 51.3, up 7.5 million on the year.
Verizon, which holds number two market share in the United States but has been steadily inching up on Cingular, was bragging that the two million total sets a new record for the industry. It added that the fourth quarter of 2005 was the company's 14th consecutive quarter of double-digit, year-over-year quarterly growth in net subscriber adds, and the seventh consecutive quarter in which it added more than 1.5 million net customers.

I stand corrected.
 

Joemonkey

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wow, for some reason i am finding this thread quite interesting...

Is Nortel #1 for business telephony?

Cisco #1 for private sector switches/routers/firewalls?

Logitech #1 for mouse/keyboard sales?