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Companies that know their product is flawed yet continue to sell it/IBM Rant!!

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<< same thing happened to me. I bought a 60GB 60GXP, believing that the problem was only with the 75 series. And, a few weeks ago it started dying. I bought a Maxtor to replace it and just RMAd the IBM. I refuse to ever buy from them again. >>



Every product has bad apples. The 75 GXP debacle is something that is widely known, and IBM has, to my knowledge, responded to that mistake fairly well.

I've been using a 60 gig 60GXP for the last nine months; I haven't regretted it one bit. It works great, hasn't disappointed me in the least.

Don't stereotype an entire company because of a single bad product or experience.
 


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<< same thing happened to me. I bought a 60GB 60GXP, believing that the problem was only with the 75 series. And, a few weeks ago it started dying. I bought a Maxtor to replace it and just RMAd the IBM. I refuse to ever buy from them again. >>



Every product has bad apples. The 75 GXP debacle is something that is widely known, and IBM has, to my knowledge, responded to that mistake fairly well.

I've been using a 60 gig 60GXP for the last nine months; I haven't regretted it one bit. It works great, hasn't disappointed me in the least.

Don't stereotype an entire company because of a single bad product or experience. >>




I've been using the same series in my personal systems,hell when it comes to reliability of data storage Ia don't talk out my rump to clients ! I've been receiving a steady stream of links here though that shows the 60gxp's to have an even worse failure rate than the 75GXP's. This is a potential nitemare for me. If the reports I'm seeing are true damm IBM to hell ! 🙁


excuse me but I think I'm gonna be sick !!
 


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<< If one craps out and your work can't be replaced because you didn't back up, all you deserve is scorn. >>

If someone fails to read a post then makes a comment that has no bearing on that post does he deserve scorn too?



<< $hit happens, not backing up is like not having fire insurance. If you gamble and lose, the only person you can blame is yourself. >>

Yeah well who do you blame when you talk out your ass because you didn't bother to read where I said I have those files Backed up and I had made an image of that drive? >>



Yeah, and it never occured to you to check the backup image? If you can't be bothered to verify the data as being good, you're as careless as a person that never backed up at all. Do you live in a world where every file transfer, every copy and every image is 100% reliable? A few extra seconds to check and the problem would have been avoided, case close. No company has a perfect track record on hard drives or any other sort of hardware. IBMs 75GXPs have been awful, but the 60s have been no worse than industry average. So maybe you should be bitching at the software/hardware combo that produced an invalid drive image or, dare I say it, the user error that failed to use the backup tools properly and then failed to check that the image was okay. It's a lot easier to just blame IBM than it is to look in the mirror and say "Ooops, I screwed up". Ultimately, the only one that's responsible for protecting your data is you.
 


<< Yeah, and it never occured to you to check the backup image? If you can't be bothered to verify the data as being good, you're as careless as a person that never backed up at all. Do you live in a world where every file transfer, every copy and every image is 100% reliable? A few extra seconds to check and the problem would have been avoided, case close. No company has a perfect track record on hard drives or any other sort of hardware. IBMs 75GXPs have been awful, but the 60s have been no worse than industry average. So maybe you should be bitching at the software/hardware combo that produced an invalid drive image or, dare I say it, the user error that failed to use the backup tools properly and then failed to check that the image was okay. It's a lot easier to just blame IBM than it is to look in the mirror and say "Ooops, I screwed up". Ultimately, the only one that's responsible for protecting your data is you. >>



I like this kid Red. Lube this one up a little bit before you ream it out.
 
I have a 45gb 75gxp myself and find myself wondering if it's going to die. I remember reading I think on here that the media can't handle the heads (I assume the density the heads are formatting/running the platters at). They have a testing process to see if the media can handle it but it's not a very reliable test. Why IBM can't just take the loss on the old platters and build new platters is beyond me. Before the 75 and 60gxp's, IBM was considered the best hard drives to get. I got mine before all the problems popped up on the 75gxp, either I'm lucky and I got one with good platters or it's going to die any day now. The only good news about all this is there is a class action lawsuit against IBM about these drives.
 


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<< same thing happened to me. I bought a 60GB 60GXP, believing that the problem was only with the 75 series. And, a few weeks ago it started dying. I bought a Maxtor to replace it and just RMAd the IBM. I refuse to ever buy from them again. >>



Every product has bad apples. The 75 GXP debacle is something that is widely known, and IBM has, to my knowledge, responded to that mistake fairly well.

I've been using a 60 gig 60GXP for the last nine months; I haven't regretted it one bit. It works great, hasn't disappointed me in the least.

Don't stereotype an entire company because of a single bad product or experience. >>




I've been using the same series in my personal systems,hell when it comes to reliability of data storage Ia don't talk out my rump to clients ! I've been receiving a steady stream of links here though that shows the 60gxp's to have an even worse failure rate than the 75GXP's. This is a potential nitemare for me. If the reports I'm seeing are true damm IBM to hell ! 🙁


excuse me but I think I'm gonna be sick !! >>



Where are the links that show the 60GXP failure rate to be higher? A rant about a company's particular line of products is obviously going to draw a lot of people who have had bad experiences with that product.

Yes, the 75GXP line was a failure; no one denies that. However, it has been my experience (through talking to other people) that the 60GXP line is just as reliable as any of Maxtor or Seagate's drives.
 
This is why i use dual maxtors in my main rigs, and WDs in clients rigs, occationaly a seagate too. a friend on another forum just had his 120gxp die, and his brothers dies just today. if i were you guys, i would stop buying their low end IDE Sh!t red, that sucks ass, but i am sure you could get some nice tagged mp3s off someone personal collection
 
IBM recently released a statement that the GXPs should only be used 8hrs/day! 😱 I run 24/7, thus no IBM drive will be getting into my box!
 


<< IBM recently released a statement that the GXPs should only be used 8hrs/day! 😱 I run 24/7, thus no IBM drive will be getting into my box! >>




witrh all the other crap IBM fills my voice,email and snailmail box with this little utterance from them never reached me !!!


Excuse while I go find something to smash into a milliuon pieces here :|
 


<< reports of 60gxp issues



here's one


here's another >>



That's interesting. I knew that the 75GXP line has issues, but I was under the impression that the 60GXP series was considerably more stable.

Thanks for the info. *considers himself slapped by baffled*
 


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<< reports of 60gxp issues



here's one


here's another >>



That's interesting. I knew that the 75GXP line has issues, but I was under the impression that the 60GXP series was considerably more stable.

Thanks for the info. *considers himself slapped by baffled* >>



Don't consider yourself "slapped" at all !!! Just be vigilent about backup's... hey at least you aren't a maroon who's been pimping these things off to paying customers, I get that title all to myself today it seems 🙁
 
a link from our own NFS4



Gaghalfront

<< . So maybe you should be bitching at the software/hardware combo that produced an invalid drive image or, dare I say it, the user error that failed to use the backup tools properly and then failed to check that the image was okay. It's a lot easier to just blame IBM than it is to look in the mirror and say "Ooops, I screwed up". Ultimately, the only one that's responsible for protecting your data is you. >>



No, you must be joking, I always thought it was IBM's job to back up my data!! Idiot, next time PM me your PayPal info so I can transfer over $.35 and you can call someone who feels like listening to pompous little lecture, because frankly, all you have done is annoy the crap out of me. Like I said before Cousteau, I have all the files on my server and on CD's, no files were lost for good. The image just would have made it simpler to restore them in a more organized manner. As for the 60GXP not having a higher rate of failure than any other Drive out there, well I've seen reports that totally contradict what you have claimed.



<< So maybe you should be bitching at the software/hardware combo that produced an invalid drive image or, dare I say it, the user error that failed to use the backup tools properly and then failed to check that the image was okay >>

Or maybe you should get off of your high horse before you get knocked off of it. These were just MP3 files that I have backups of, just not in the organized fashion I prefer. My life, my data and my disposition will be fine..unless I have to listen to more PNG's like you. This wasn't Mission Critical Data fishboy, these were just MP3 files .
 


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<< reports of 60gxp issues



here's one


here's another >>



That's interesting. I knew that the 75GXP line has issues, but I was under the impression that the 60GXP series was considerably more stable.

Thanks for the info. *considers himself slapped by baffled* >>



Don't consider yourself "slapped" at all !!! Just be vigilent about backup's... hey at least you aren't a maroon who's been pimping these things off to paying customers, I get that title all to myself today it seems 🙁 >>



lol

I've been trying to muster the energy and money to invest in a second hard drive for backups (maybe RAID 1 or something), I just don't have the will to right now... I really should, considering I've invested more time in my mp3 collection than I have in my college education. 😀
 
i burn anything important to CD< or store on my archive drive, or in one of other 3 computers. I am getting a new 120gig or 160 gig HDD soon, though
 


<< i burn anything important to CD< or store on my archive drive, or in one of other 3 computers. I am getting a new 120gig or 160 gig HDD soon, though >>



If I could figure out an easy and efficient way to back up 40 gigs of media on a regular basis (besides a RAID array) than I would.

😀

Ugh.
 
burning a CD or 2 a day keeps the back-up bug away...

consider this: we used to pay $1 a disk for CDrs..these days, 80-120 gig drives are comming into the range of $1/GB.

Chew on that
 
i agree, but just because its you red dawn, you get a -->
rolleye.gif
 
In all the systems I've built, I've never had an IBM GXP drive fail. Of course, that might be because I use Maxtors.

Russ, NCNE
 
Oh well, that's Computers for ya.



<< In all the systems I've built, I've never had an IBM GXP drive fail. Of course, that might be because I use Maxtors. >>

Yeah I thought I would walk on the wild side this time and go with a GXP🙂
It seems that every Drive Manufacturer has periods where their product sucks. I remember WD being the sh!tz, then Maxtor and now I guess it's IBM's turn.

Remember kiddies, you can never back up your files enough.

DingDong'sFury

<< agree, but just because its you red dawn, you get a --> >>

Yer looking awfully purdy their DingDong, do somethin with yer hair?
 


<< Oh well, that's Computers for ya.



<< In all the systems I've built, I've never had an IBM GXP drive fail. Of course, that might be because I use Maxtors. >>

Yeah I thought I would walk on the wild side this time and go with a GXP🙂
It seems that every Drive Manufacturer has periods where their product sucks. I remember WD being the sh!tz, then Maxtor and now I guess it's IBM's turn.

Remember kiddies, you can never back up your files enough.

DingDong'sFury

<< agree, but just because its you red dawn, you get a --> >>

Yer looking awfully purdy their DingDong, do somethin with yer hair? >>


come give momma a kiss
 


<<

<< Oh well, that's Computers for ya.



<< In all the systems I've built, I've never had an IBM GXP drive fail. Of course, that might be because I use Maxtors. >>

Yeah I thought I would walk on the wild side this time and go with a GXP🙂
It seems that every Drive Manufacturer has periods where their product sucks. I remember WD being the sh!tz, then Maxtor and now I guess it's IBM's turn.

Remember kiddies, you can never back up your files enough.

DingDong'sFury

<< agree, but just because its you red dawn, you get a --> >>

Yer looking awfully purdy their DingDong, do somethin with yer hair? >>


come give momma a kiss >>



Im thinking Ill be saving/backing up/archiving this thread 😀
 


<< Yeah I thought I would walk on the wild side this time and go with a GXP >>



I actually have that same 40GB that crapped on you running in Server2 here. Guess what? It's an RMA for a dead one I bought for $10. So, yep, they have problems.



<< It seems that every Drive Manufacturer has periods where their product sucks. >>



No doubt about that. Thing is, when WD tanked back in the 6.4GB to 8.4GB period, they owned up to it and took the hit. When Maxtor was having issues in the 10GB to 13GB range, they didn't hesitate to take care of it.

Russ, NCNE
 
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