Community college should be free but not universities

[dank69]

Free free free, who pays for all this free "stuff"? Do the professors teach for free? Is the electric donated by the power company for free? Maintenance staff going to work for free?
Custodians clean the school for free? Contractors going to build this school and dorms for free?...
My land and school taxes are way too high as it is now. You live in a state where they are 4-800 a YEAR for your taxes a little more may not hurt too bad. I have a small house and our taxes here are over 500$ a MONTH. My in-laws have a much bigger house in a better aria and theirs is 1100$ a MONTH. Better find a better way to pay for it, waiting on tables, flipping burgers, mowing lawns.
How about teaching the kids what they need to learn in grade school. Trade school in high school.
Shorten the Summer recess and add a hour or two to the school day. Cut back on all the holiday's the kids have off.
I can not wrap my head around how people think they have a right to have someone else pay for your "stuff" be it higher education, healthcare, housing, and the whole host of other FREE STUFF.
There is no free lunch. You have no right to other people money.

That's good. While candidates like to abbreviate these complex solutions to fit in the 30 second spot they are allotted during the debates, what you need to realize is that when they say free what that should generally be understood to mean is "we are all going to pool our money together to buy everything in bulk at a greatly discounted rate instead of everyone going out and paying 2,3,4,5 times as much individually. Apply this to education, same as healthcare, same as childcare. Sorry, your taxes are going to go up $200 a year but you will no longer have to pay for health insurance, college, and childcare. No! Taxes are already too high! I will not agree to pay an additional $200 per year in taxes just to save $4000 per year in insurance premiums! That would be so-so-socialism!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

That's good. While candidates like to abbreviate these complex solutions to fit in the 30 second spot they are allotted during the debates, what you need to realize is that when they say free what that should generally be understood to mean is "we are all going to pool our money together to buy everything in bulk at a greatly discounted rate instead of everyone going out and paying 2,3,4,5 times as much individually. Apply this to education, same as healthcare, same as childcare. Sorry, your taxes are going to go up $200 a year but you will no longer have to pay for health insurance, college, and childcare. No! Taxes are already too high! I will not agree to pay an additional $200 per year in taxes just to save $4000 per year in insurance premiums! That would be so-so-socialism!

"Your taxes are going to go up $200 a year but you will no longer have to pay for health insurance, college, and childcare".....


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You're fucking hilarious brochacho lol. Christ, nearly spit my drink everywhere on that one.

 

[dank69]

"Your taxes are going to go up $200 a year but you will no longer have to pay for health insurance, college, and childcare".....


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You're fucking hilarious brochacho lol. Christ, nearly spit my drink everywhere on that one.

The number is obviously completely made up just to illustrate a point, but if we take Sanders' plan just as a for instance, most of the tax increases will be shouldered by billionaires so the tax increases to the middle class should be modest, and ultimately be much less than we pay for those three things.

 

[bill1024]

Kind of like when Mr.Obama said " We will save 2500$ a year" with Obama care.
It cost thousands more, I did not save a dime.
Aside from my home, I have three commercial buildings. The taxes on them is becoming unbearable. If it goes up much more I will have to sell. I can not charge any more in rent.
There are so many empty buildings now in the area. It has to stop. I raise the rent and they move out to a building thats empty and the owner almost pays them to move in.
The insurance goes up with an empty building, the taxes stay the same, still have to heat it.
I am ready to leave NY and go to a state with no income tax and lower property taxes.
Mr.Cuomo seems to think people are leaving NY cause of the weather. No, it's the taxes.
It never works out the way politicians say it will never. I do not care what the letter is D or R.
You think I will pay a few hundred more a year and save thousands, that is a dream.
It will turn out to me a nightmare.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

Kind of like when Mr.Obama said " We will save 2500$ a year" with Obama care.
It cost thousands more, I did not save a dime.
Aside from my home, I have three commercial buildings. The taxes on them is becoming unbearable. If it goes up much more I will have to sell. I can not charge any more in rent.
There are so many empty buildings now in the area. It has to stop. I raise the rent and they move out to a building thats empty and the owner almost pays them to move in.
The insurance goes up with an empty building, the taxes stay the same, still have to heat it.
I am ready to leave NY and go to a state with no income tax and lower property taxes.
Mr.Cuomo seems to think people are leaving NY cause of the weather. No, it's the taxes.
It never works out the way politicians say it will never. I do not care what the letter is D or R.
You think I will pay a few hundred more a year and save thousands, that is a dream.
It will turn out to me a nightmare.

So you won't support a national healthcare system, that works fine and has lower cost in pretty much every other industrialized country, because local property taxes are too high in a soft rental market? ....
Logic!

 

[dank69]

Kind of like when Mr.Obama said " We will save 2500$ a year" with Obama care.
It cost thousands more, I did not save a dime.

This is a misunderstanding common among libertarians and others that have been been scrambled by decades of exposure to garbage news sources. Without Obamacare it is likely that you would be paying $2500 more today than you already are. Obamacare slowed the rate at which healthcare costs were rising.

Aside from my home, I have three commercial buildings. The taxes on them is becoming unbearable. If it goes up much more I will have to sell. I can not charge any more in rent.
There are so many empty buildings now in the area. It has to stop. I raise the rent and they move out to a building thats empty and the owner almost pays them to move in.
The insurance goes up with an empty building, the taxes stay the same, still have to heat it.
I am ready to leave NY and go to a state with no income tax and lower property taxes.
Mr.Cuomo seems to think people are leaving NY cause of the weather. No, it's the taxes.
It never works out the way politicians say it will never. I do not care what the letter is D or R.
You think I will pay a few hundred more a year and save thousands, that is a dream.
It will turn out to me a nightmare.

Again, you are bringing local taxes to a federal fight. My numbers were bullshit just to give you some food for thought. The point is if you stop fighting the socialism bogeyman you might some day get to realize the benefits of using it where it makes sense.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The number is obviously completely made up just to illustrate a point, but if we take Sanders' plan just as a for instance, most of the tax increases will be shouldered by billionaires so the tax increases to the middle class should be modest, and ultimately be much less than we pay for those three things.

You think a 15%+ VAT is imposed on Billionaires?

We already went through this, you could tax the billionaires at 100% and you still wouldn't come close to enough to pay for Medicare for all - let alone

The reasoning for this is because you ACTUALLY will have to substantially increase federal income taxes on the bottom 50% - which currently are a net negative to income tax or contribute $0. This is just Math 101 here. It is a complete fact that 50% of this country either pays $0 or is a net negative to federal income taxes. No - You don't get to count their Social Security taxes, unless you're implying that we will do away with Social Security and use those for other means. We're already well aware that Social Security is in the hole itself and will need to have tax increased on it as well.

So again, if you idolize all the countries that have healthcare - have "free" college - have childcare... their taxes on the bottom 50% and middle class are ENORMOUSLY taxed higher than our current system. That will need to change, and that will not be $200.

See:

 

[bill1024]

I have a socialist idea, how about we use the vast resources the US has in oil and natural gas under state and federal lands to help pay for some of this "Free" stuff
We are not getting off oil and natgas any time soon, and there is trillions of dollars worth of it.
Natgas is a lot cleaner than coal, could make a good transition fuel for now. And it is cheap now.
Let the feds and states buy the equipment and hire roughnecks to get the product to market.
Has to be sold at going rates as not to hurt private industries.

 

[bill1024]

You think a 15%+ VAT is imposed on Billionaires?

We already went through this, you could tax the billionaires at 100% and you still wouldn't come close to enough to pay for Medicare for all - let alone

The reasoning for this is because you ACTUALLY will have to substantially increase federal income taxes on the bottom 50% - which currently are a net negative to income tax or contribute $0. This is just Math 101 here. It is a complete fact that 50% of this country either pays $0 or is a net negative to federal income taxes. No - You don't get to count their Social Security taxes, unless you're implying that we will do away with Social Security and use those for other means. We're already well aware that Social Security is in the hole itself and will need to have tax increased on it as well.

So again, if you idolize all the countries that have healthcare - have "free" college - have childcare... their taxes on the bottom 50% and middle class are ENORMOUSLY taxed higher than our current system. That will need to change, and that will not be $200.

See:

Please don't confuse the issue with facts and figures.
There is not enough income if we taxed everyone 100% to pay for all the "free" stuff people want.
How did we ever survive without all this "free" stuff.
How about if you want it get a job and work for it.

 

[bill1024]

Bernie the multimillionaire socialist with three homes, wants everyone to make 15 a hour.
Well except the people working for him!! Yeah lets listen to him.
He is so generous, with other peoples money.

 

[dank69]

You think a 15%+ VAT is imposed on Billionaires?

I didn't say anything about a VAT. Why would you bring up VAT? Probably so you could win an argument against someone else and make it look like you won this argument against me.

We already went through this, you could tax the billionaires at 100% and you still wouldn't come close to enough to pay for Medicare for all - let alone

Hello? You take all the money that everyone is currently paying for health insurance and all the money that corporations and other employers are currently paying for health insurance for their employees, pool all that together and instead of giving it to insurance companies you pay for M4A. After you do that you have roughly $3.2T left over just from the first 10 years according to the CBO IIRC. Use that extra $3.2T to pay for community college and childcare. Nobody pays anything extra all we do is make the whole system efficient like it is in every other country except Murica.

The reasoning for this is because you ACTUALLY will have to substantially increase federal income taxes on the bottom 50% - which currently are a net negative to income tax or contribute $0. This is just Math 101 here. It is a complete fact that 50% of this country either pays $0 or is a net negative to federal income taxes. No - You don't get to count their Social Security taxes, unless you're implying that we will do away with Social Security and use those for other means. We're already well aware that Social Security is in the hole itself and will need to have tax increased on it as well.

So again, if you idolize all the countries that have healthcare - have "free" college - have childcare... their taxes on the bottom 50% and middle class are ENORMOUSLY taxed higher than our current system. That will need to change, and that will not be $200.

See:

Take every link you find from Reason and shove it up your ass so it can make friends with the other shit like it.

 

[dank69]

I have a socialist idea, how about we use the vast resources the US has in oil and natural gas under state and federal lands to help pay for some of this "Free" stuff
We are not getting off oil and natgas any time soon, and there is trillions of dollars worth of it.
Natgas is a lot cleaner than coal, could make a good transition fuel for now. And it is cheap now.
Let the feds and states buy the equipment and hire roughnecks to get the product to market.
Has to be sold at going rates as not to hurt private industries.

Drill baby drill, destroy the environment more to get that sweet sweet oil that nobody wants anymore because renewable tech is fast catching up and passing it in efficiency.

 

[dank69]

Please don't confuse the issue with facts and figures.
There is not enough income if we taxed everyone 100% to pay for all the "free" stuff people want.
How did we ever survive without all this "free" stuff.
How about if you want it get a job and work for it.

Like him, you just don't understand the issue beyond an elementary level. We can get all our healthcare much more efficiently by buying it in bulk and eliminating the insurance industry, unless you think there is some compelling reason we can't duplicate what every other country does.

 

[dank69]

Bernie the multimillionaire socialist with three homes, wants everyone to make 15 a hour.
Well except the people working for him!! Yeah lets listen to him.
He is so generous, with other peoples money.

A shitpost like this will earn you some well deserved flames here.

 

[bill1024]

A shitpost like this will earn you some well deserved flames here.

Truth strikes a nerve indeed.
Unlike Mr.Trump, I have pretty thick skin and could give a rats ass what people here think.
Koolaid anyone?

 

[bill1024]

Drill baby drill, destroy the environment more to get that sweet sweet oil that nobody wants anymore because renewable tech is fast catching up and passing it in efficiency.

For now, you know the food you eat comes in really big trucks that do now go anywhere with a solar panel on its roof. Trucks use oil and diesel fuel and travel thousands of miles to deliver food so you can eat. Homes have to be heated and not everyone can use solar. So yes drill baby drill until we can replace it with better alternatives. And for now nuclear and natgas are about the cleanest way we can make a lot of electric.Not every country or every person had the resources to buy solar pannels or put up a wind mill
Oil is used in so many other things just not fuel, but you know that.
Natgas is used to make oil lubricants that we will always need and many other things as well
. So yeah, we are kind of stuck with it. Might as well use the income for "Free stuff"

And when I say taxes are too high, that's all taxes. taxes is the government taking you money that you work so hard for at gun point. Yes gun point.
Don't pay your taxes and do not show up for an audit or to court, they will come get you and take your property at gun point.

 

[dank69]

Truth strikes a nerve indeed.
Unlike Mr.Trump, I have pretty thick skin and could give a rats ass what people here think.
Koolaid anyone?

People with thick skin don't complain at first sight of an insult.

 

[dank69]

For now, you know the food you eat comes in really big trucks that do now go anywhere with a solar panel on its roof. Trucks use oil and diesel fuel and travel thousands of miles to deliver food so you can eat. Homes have to be heated and not everyone can use solar. So yes drill baby drill until we can replace it with better alternatives. And for now nuclear and natgas are about the cleanest way we can make a lot of electric.Not every country or every person had the resources to buy solar pannels or put up a wind mill
Oil is used in so many other things just not fuel, but you know that.
Natgas is used to make oil lubricants that we will always need and many other things as well
. So yeah, we are kind of stuck with it. Might as well use the income for "Free stuff"

And when I say taxes are too high, that's all taxes. taxes is the government taking you money that you work so hard for at gun point. Yes gun point.
Don't pay your taxes and do not show up for an audit or to court, they will come get you and take your property at gun point.

If demand for oil is not falling then why did the price of oil crater before Trump got into office and why has it not recovered since? The answer, derived from the most basic economic concept, would indicate you are very wrong. By the way, solar-powered trucks are coming, faster than you think, and a large portion of my food is sourced locally. I live in a farming town.

 

[bill1024]

Oil just went back to historical levels, not big deal.
Supply is way up and can meet any demand now or in the future.
No reason for prices to go up unless there is a disruption in the Middle East.

People with thick skin don't complain at first sight of an insult.

So you're saying you are just like Mr.Trump and have thin skin? Kettle calling the pot black.

 

[bill1024]

You must be a barrel of fun at the company Christmas party.

 

[dank69]

Oil just went back to historical levels, not big deal.
Supply is way up and can meet any demand now or in the future.
No reason for prices to go up unless there is a disruption in the Middle East.

So if we can meet any demand now or in the future, why did you suggest we destroy the environment in order to drill for more? Doesn't make much sense now does it?

So you're saying you are just like Mr.Trump and have thin skin? Kettle calling the pot black.

I suppose, if you find somewhere where I complained about Trump insulting me. I don't think you'll have much luck there since Trump doesn't know me and thus has never insulted me, and I've never complained about him insulting anyone else... So much for your attempt at humor here.

 

[bill1024]

Good god man, we drill to get OUR oil and gas, and not the worlds supply.
The world can meet any demand. Can you read?
We use OUR oil that we will have to use for a while yet. Use that money to pay for some of the social programs.
You're right, lets just raise taxes thousands of dollars like you say so we can get "free stuff" that is not so free. Ok got it.

 

[bill1024]

And how do other countries do it? Well they are not as big. A lot of those countries can fit in NY state and have less population. And they do not have a 20,000,000,000,000.00$ national debt.
The debt that both parties are responsible for.
We are not the richest nation on earth, no other country has a debt like we do.
We are a debtor nation, 63,000$ for every man, woman and child.
Where the hell does all this money come from? The debt costs 450,000.000,000.00 a year just to service the debt. The Rs cried for years while Mr.Obama racked up more debt then all the POTUS before him put together. Not one word from the Ds.
Now not a word from the Rs and the Ds are crying up a storm. Do you now see they are all full of crap and will say anything just to be reelected? Spout out ideas that in reality no way in hell can work. Many countries in Europe are going bankrupt with the large social spending.
Stop drinking the party coolaid no matter what flavor it is and open your eyes.

 

[dank69]

And how do other countries do it? Well they are not as big. A lot of those countries can fit in NY state and have less population. And they do not have a 20,000,000,000,000.00$ national debt.
The debt that both parties are responsible for.
We are not the richest nation on earth, no other country has a debt like we do.
We are a debtor nation, 63,000$ for every man, woman and child.
Where the hell does all this money come from? The debt costs 450,000.000,000.00 a year just to service the debt. The Rs cried for years while Mr.Obama racked up more debt then all the POTUS before him put together. Not one word from the Ds.
Now not a word from the Rs and the Ds are crying up a storm. Do you now see they are all full of crap and will say anything just to be reelected? Spout out ideas that in reality no way in hell can work. Many countries in Europe are going bankrupt with the large social spending.
Stop drinking the party coolaid no matter what flavor it is and open your eyes.

You keep telling people to stop drinking koolaid but you just vomited at least 10 conservative koolaid talking points before doing so. Physician, heal thyself. Start by learning why the size of our deficit is not nearly as important as what we spend it on. Without that basic knowledge you will continue to be duped into believing all these patently false ideas that sound great to the uneducated but disintegrate the second you actually examine them. Of course, in order to actually examine them you first have to approach each subject from the viewpoint that you know nothing about them, and as such, really want to learn about them. If you are just going to approach them from the viewpoint that you already know everything, and just want to find the bits and pieces that confirm what you already believe, then you are going to just find exactly what you are looking for. Up to you if you want to just waste everyone else's time or start becoming part of the solution. If you just want to trade barbs, have at it hoss but prepare your anus because I'm going in dry.

 

[bill1024]

You are all talk, spouting out leftist propaganda. You have no clue, just grandioso ideas that can never work. You are not as smart as you think you are. A legend in your own mind.
I would have a war of whits with you but you are completely unarmed.
Only thing dry is your mouth from all the dope you smoke, you must be high.