Communism?

[Mangos]

Karl Marx believes that one day Capitalism will end itself. Once capitalism ends itself, there will be a revolution and socialism will become the financial system. Eventually Communism will prevail (according to Marx), and people will be content with not getting the equivalent of what they give.

Does anyone believe that people will ever be content with reaching their goals? Would people still go for "higher degrees" when they could get the same pay from not going to school at all?

I think Marx is being incredibly idealistic. He is pretending that all people have the drive necessary to work and receive nothing but a warm feeling in return. I believe that people will always want more.

 

[gunf1ghter]

Talk about a topic that has been beaten to death.

Marx was a pretty smart guy... unfortunately he has a much higher ideal (selflessness) for the human ego than our species can attain...

 

[Mangos]

I'm not sure how intelligent Marx was. He seems too idealistic to me.

 

[Robert01]

Idealistic? Yes. Will it ever happen? No. Problem with Communism is that everyone gets the same reward, regardless of the amount of work they put in. Sounds crappy to me.

It's like doing chores. If your brother doesn't do his chores, and you do all the hard work, how would you feel if your mom gave both of you a cookie at the end?

 

[Mangos]

Are our replies swayed by the capitalist society that we live in?

 

[Robert01]

I'm no hard-core capitalist. But Communism is too ideal for humans. Yes, I realize that capitalism has too many problems (i.e. the poor get screwed like a donkey by Hitler).

 

[GasX]

What is ideal about communism?

I never got it.

Is it that everyone gets to live in a system that provides no incentive for productivity while garaunteeing security to everyone no matter what they do or don't do?

Someone please clearly explain why this is such an idyllic system to me. Please.

 

[csiro]

Ideally everyone should work as hard as possible but share the rewards.

 

[Argo]

The ideal communist society is where everybody does what he's best at, there is no unemployment, and everything is affordable.

 

[GasX]

That doesn't explain what is ideal about the system, rather it details the goals

 

[BigJohnKC]

<< What is ideal about communism?

I never got it.

Is it that everyone gets to live in a system that provides no incentive for productivity while garaunteeing security to everyone no matter what they do or don't do?

Someone please clearly explain why this is such an idyllic system to me. Please. >>



It's only ideal at a theoretical level. Theoretically, if everyone works as hard as possible and gives all their money to the government under the condition that the government will provide for the people, everyone gets that same reward so there are no classes of people (no one is rich or poor, everyone the same). Unfortunately, human nature dictates that if we get the same reward no matter how hard we work and contribute to the system, we should work less hard to make it easier on ourselves. But everybody does this, which is why everyone in the USSR was not middle class, everyone was poor because no one worked as hard as possible. That is a simplified way of looking at it, but it could be an ideal sytem if human nature wasn't involved.

 

[Mangos]

We may be confusing human nature with Capitalist nature. Most of us have grown up in a VERY Capitalist country.

If everyone does what he/she is best at in a Marxist society, then that would mean that all people are NOT created equal.
I'm completely willing to admit that all people are not created equal, but I don't think Marx would have readily admitted that.

Communism is very idealistic because pretending that people will be content with doing their best in order to get a fixed amount back is idealistic. In a Marxist system, a professor with a Ph.D would be paid the same as a plumber because both of them would be working to their highest potential.

 

[SpongeBob]

everyone was poor because no one worked as hard as possible.

That's not true. It has been proven that corruption in both government and business were the reasons it failed economically.

 

[astriy]

The problem with communism is that to achieve it you have to have a very strong, powerfull, fear inspiring government. The problem? People in that government abuse that power for personal gain. Actually it's not that far fetched that communism might be a viable form of government in the future - all we need is a government that's not corrupt - Impossible? Not if you put a 24/7 surveilance on all government officials and make that surveillance public.

 

[GasX]

<< Communism is very idealistic because pretending that people will be content with doing their best in order to get a fixed amount back is idealistic. In a Marxist system, a professor with a Ph.D would be paid the same as a plumber because both of them would be working to their highest potential. >>

You think that isn't the case in the USA?