Communism is in.

[BreakApart]

<< This one of the things I've never understood. How is it the right-wing, the conservatists, and the capitalists get tied to Nazism? >>



It's one of the HUGE lies the left has played on america... The blame America first crowd

Now on the topic of Communism:
Communism is for lemmings plain and simple, it would never work on this planet.
Simple Example:
Communism will still require; someone, or some group of people to be in-charge to make decisions for the lemmings, this in itself would make that person or people NOT EQUAL to the rest. So the fight to get to the top and stay there so your not part of the common lemmings is the GREAT flaw in EVERY communist empire. While the people are eating dirt, the decision makers are flying in jets around the world----i.e. China

Communism is envied by the weak, lazy, un-motivated, or un-educated...as these are the ONLY type of people that would benefit from that structure.

Pease explain how ANY of the hobby computer builders/tweakers here at AT would benefit in a communist society?
Fry your Over-clocked CPU = failure to follow gov't prescribed standards, computer use will be monitored or revoked
Upgrade your CPU = sorry you have upgraded in the past 2 year, you are not authorized to upgrade for 2 more years
Fried motherboard = can't use newegg, mwave, etc, etc Guess you have to wait til your next allocation of computer parts, could be a few years
Internet access = strictly monitored by gov't employees, chat groups, message boards illegal don't even think about it.

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[Tominator]

<< The problem with capitolism is right now companies do more and more to oursource jobs and fill the pockets of the boys at the big table. >>



That statement is about as simple minded as it gets when used in the current Cap v. Com argument.

Outsourceing jobs still creates jobs. Few large companies are privately owned. The job of the 'boys at the big table' is to make the company money and that fills the stockholder's pockets and creates the wealth to grow and therefore provide more jobs.

Most worker's income comes through small business in the US and not large corporations.

None of this happens under Communism.

 

[BreakApart]

<< The problem with capitolism is right now companies do more and more to oursource jobs and fill the pockets of the boys at the big table.

At Rhythms DSL when they were in business they had a project called OSS, it's function was to make it so customers would go onto the system Via internet and check availability, place and order, check status and get billed all on one NON HUMAN SYSTEM.

Basically they got rid of over 300 jobs with the solution just from the start with more to come :disgust: >>




The only isgust: here is your envy over a company BUYING software-(that someone programmed) to eliminate needless workers. Stop with all the envy, and go program something like that to SELL to companies. Geez, if the company gets a negative reaction from it's customer base they will have to face the music, not you.

Class warfare is a tactic of the left...you fell for the propaganda it appears.

 

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[Tominator]

<< Oh yeah, what kind of jobs? Blue collar $14 an hour jobs? >>



If a person wants to make $14 an hour maybe his priorties are different? Maybe he is satisfied with his life. That does not make him simple minded.

Any person in the US can create a company....most employers in the US are small business. Most employees in the US are working for small business. That is fact.

 

[BreakApart]

<< Ummm that software was not from an external source..... if you READ it says project, I would know I was a member of the team making that software, only later to also be laid off.....

Now who feels like a jackass? >>




Besides a classenvy monger your picky, picky... Are you saying you programmed the software for free?
So i guess they did pay for it, which is in effect BUYING it. You had to know what that software was going to be used for, so don't be so high and mighty, you programmed the software that is now making you mad. Ohh, i see your beef is they let you go after you finished the project. Sorry friend but that happens, i bet with your skills you'll find a new job at another company.

I have a better idea, go start your own business...in a Capitalist society you ARE allowed to do that!

 

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[Ornery]

"...where do I get the funding?"

Do you think somebody owes you funding? Where did Gates get his funding? What about Henry Ford? You looking to start at the top? When people talk about starting a small business, it could be as simple as cleaning houses or detailing cars. Start at the bottom and work your way up.

A friend of our family started a small business only about five years ago. He treated people's lawns. No big deal and no big investment. He currently has enough customers to pay for his new home and everything that goes with it. If you think an education means you're entitled to more than that, go for it. Your expertise is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it.

It used to be that Graphic Design was a lucrative field with jobs available. I've heard that since everybody and their brother now has PhotoShop on their PC, it's a little harder to get work, or as much money as it used to bring. Ain't technology wonderful? Jobs become obsolete, this is nothing new and no fault of business or industry.

Capitalism is based on supply and demand. That goes for products as well as employees. If anybody and everybody (or software) can do the same job as you, your value tanks. How much should an employer have to pay for a job that anybody can do? As much as the market will bare, eh? If your abilities aren't worth much, it's time to increase your skilz or change to something not so competitive. Is there something inherently wrong with that?

 

[Moonbeam]

Well as long as we are on the jobs and equality issue, I'd be curious to know how the capitalism fanciers intend to deal with a future, not so very far off according to Moore's Law, which indicates that robots will surpass humans in intellectual processing power and posess, exclusively, the ability to manage the emergent complexities. We will be the unambitious and uninspired of the workforce, too lazy not to stay awake 24 hours a day, and too dumb to even understand, much less design printed circuits, or much else. Maybe we will have little stalls at major traffic junctions and stand around waiting for a few pennies for a few drops from an oil can. Naturally though, under a pure capitalist system, we may be spaired that fate. We may die of hunger, all, that is, except the one guy who owns all the robots. Of course none of this will be a problem if we get into the Robot Wars of Independence


Zenmervolt, the point I made applies to more than mysticism. Without an understanding of nuclear physics, the operation of a nuclear power plant is inconceivable, and so much so that to propose one to a non-innitiate would be to invite being dismissed as a dreamer or worse. The brain, it seems, insists on filling in our blind spot with a representation of the known. It's easy not to see that we don't see so don't give up.

 

[AaronP]

I quit reading when I saw how you spelled Karl Marx.

 

[Moonbeam]

A very good first step, AaronP. Now if you can just reflect on that fact and figure out what it tells you about yourself, you may be right on the mark.

 

[Moonbeam]

So there humanity was for 4 million years a communal animal evolving social interaction and society culture and all the rest as a team as a way to survive against much more powerful opponents. All those primitive societies that codified communism fight into our genes, our language and culture and modern Americans who have traveled down the road to psychosis, I mean individualism, talk about personal freedom and personal inititive and all the blessings of competition. For thousands and thousands of years the world was ruled by the earth mother and she was god and man lived in the garden and then came language of opposites and the naming of abstractions and the application of those abstractions onto children, you bad worthless evil monster of a child, I hate you, and the child died to himself and became us the great egotists of the world, the competators the I'm better than youers, the empty pretender people full of hate because we hate ourselves. And we have created a world, a cage where we can tear at each others throats, apply craft guile subterfuge lies advertizment and the rat race consumtive disease we call our world, and it was good. It is good, the best prison money can buy for in it one occassonally finds a poem or a flower, a pea under the thrity ninth mattress that will not let us sleep. Man did you see the stuff at the Detroit auto show. I want I want I want.

Because society is complex we can temporarily escape the physical effects of our parasitic egocentracism. Mentally, however, we will pay in drug abuse, sexual disfunction, depression, crime, and mental illness. But then who cares, I'm a winner.

 

[CocaCola5]

The Internet is Communism. :Q

 

[linuxboy]

So there humanity was for 4 million years a communal animal evolving social interaction and society culture and all the rest as a team as a way to survive against much more powerful opponents. All those primitive societies that codified communism fight into our genes, our language and culture and modern Americans who have traveled down the road to psychosis, I mean individualism, talk about personal freedom and personal inititive and all the blessings of competition. For thousands and thousands of years the world was ruled by the earth mother and she was god and man lived in the garden and then came language of opposites and the naming of abstractions and the application of those abstractions onto children, you bad worthless evil monster of a child, I hate you, and the child died to himself and became us the great egotists of the world, the competators the I'm better than youers, the empty pretender people full of hate because we hate ourselves. And we have created a world, a cage where we can tear at each others throats, apply craft guile subterfuge lies advertizment and the rat race consumtive disease we call our world, and it was good. It is good, the best prison money can buy for in it one occassonally finds a poem or a flower, a pea under the thrity ninth mattress that will not let us sleep. Man did you see the stuff at the Detroit auto show. I want I want I want.

Now, are you suggesting that the years and years of progress and development and dareisay, evolution has made us worse off than we were primitive savages, living like beasts a squallid life? Blasphemy ! Why look, I have all this stuff ! I can get into my car and drive anywhere I want. I can get on a plane and go anywhere if I want a break from my paradise. I mean, hell, they even have people who specialize in that sorta thing to make my life easier.

Bah, I don't like what you're saying. After all selfishness is what keeps us all going...

Because society is complex we can temporarily escape the physical effects of our parasitic egocentracism. Mentally, however, we will pay in drug abuse, sexual disfunction, depression, crime, and mental illness. But then who cares, I'm a winner.

That's right. We're all winners here




Cheers !