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Common ancestor to apes and humans found

Phokus

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124235632936122739.html

Fossil Discovery Is Heralded
By GAUTAM NAIK

In what could prove to be a landmark discovery, a leading paleontologist said scientists have dug up the 47 million-year-old fossil of an ancient primate whose features suggest it could be the common ancestor of all later monkeys, apes and humans.

Anthropologists have long believed that humans evolved from ancient ape-like ancestors. Some 50 million years ago, two ape-like groups walked the Earth. One is known as the tarsidae, a precursor of the tarsier, a tiny, large-eyed creature that lives in Asia. Another group is known as the adapidae, a precursor of today's lemurs in Madagascar.

Based on previously limited fossil evidence, one big debate had been whether the tarsidae or adapidae group gave rise to monkeys, apes and humans. The latest discovery bolsters the less common position that our ancient ape-like ancestor was an adapid, the believed precursor of lemurs.

A fossil discovery suggests humans may be descended from an animal that resembles present-day lemurs like this one.

Philip Gingerich, president-elect of the Paleontological Society in the U.S., has co-written a paper that will detail next week the latest fossil discovery in Public Library of Science, a peer-reviewed, online journal.

"This discovery brings a forgotten group into focus as a possible ancestor of higher primates," Mr. Gingerich, a professor of paleontology at the University of Michigan, said in an interview.

The discovery has little bearing on a separate paleontological debate centering on the identity of a common ancestor of chimps and humans, which could have lived about six million years ago and still hasn't been found. That gap in the evolution story is colloquially referred to as the "missing link" controversy. In reality, though, all gaps in the fossil record are technically "missing links" until filled in, and many scientists say the term is meaningless.

Nonetheless, the latest fossil find is likely to ignite further the debate between evolutionists who draw conclusions based on a limited fossil record, and creationists who don't believe that humans, monkeys and apes evolved from a common ancestor.

Scientists won't necessarily agree about the details either. "Lemur advocates will be delighted, but tarsier advocates will be underwhelmed" by the new evidence, says Tim White, a paleontologist at the University of California, Berkeley. "The debate will persist."

The skeleton will be unveiled at New York City's American Museum of Natural History next Tuesday by Mayor Michael Bloomberg and an international team involved in the discovery.

According to Prof. Gingerich, the fossilized remains are of a young female adapid. The skeleton was unearthed by collectors about two years ago and has been kept tightly under wraps since then, in an unusual feat of scientific secrecy.

Prof. Gingerich said he had twice examined the adapid skeleton, which was "a complete, spectacular fossil." The completeness of the preserved skeleton is crucial, because most previously found fossils of ancient primates were small finds, such as teeth and jawbones.

It was found in the Messel Shale Pit, a disused quarry near Frankfurt, Germany. The pit has long been a World Heritage Site and is the source of a number of well-preserved fossils from the middle Eocene epoch, some 50 million years ago.

Prof. Gingerich said several scientists, including Jorn Hurum of Norway's National History Museum, had inspected the fossil with computer tomography scanning, a sophisticated X-ray technique that can provide detailed, cross-sectional views. Dr. Hurum declined to comment.

Although the creature looks like a lemur, there are some distinctive physical differences. Lemurs have a tooth comb (a tooth modified to help groom fur); a grooming claw; and a wet nose. Dr. Gingerich said that the adapid skeleton has neither a grooming claw nor a tooth comb. "We can't say whether it had a wet nose or not," he noted.

Since the fossilized creature found in Germany didn't have features like a tooth comb or grooming claw, it could be argued that it gave rise to monkeys, apes and humans, which don't have these features either.

Somehow i doubt this finding will deter Intelligent Design/Social conservatives (facts and logic are not exactly their strong point)
 
lemurs? dammit, so our ancient history is tied to the primate version of large rats? :| 😀
some of the modern lemurs are quite awesome, but the point is valid.
 
Thanks mosh 😛

I clicked on the link thinking "No way would someone link to a youtube clip of the aural atrocity that is kid rock!" I stand corrected! +2 to you on this monday morning.
 
In what could prove to be a landmark discovery
Wake me up when you've got something.

A fossil discovery suggests humans may be descended from an animal that resembles present-day lemurs like this one.
Another could be, might be, hopefully candidate.....*sigh*.

The discovery has little bearing on a separate paleontological debate centering on the identity of a common ancestor of chimps and humans, which could have lived about six million years ago and still hasn't been found.
Coulda, shoulda, and if we can prove it then there is no God. Come on home team!

The skeleton was unearthed by collectors about two years ago and has been kept tightly under wraps since then, in an unusual feat of scientific secrecy.

Oh COME ON! Now if we do find anything remotely connected those nutbag Christians will just say we doctored the evidence because nothing else would explain the secrecy!

....it could be argued that it gave rise to monkeys, apes and humans, which don't have these features either.

Wait, so it could be both? No way! Forget those tarsidae lovers! Team adapidae all the way!



 
Originally posted by: Peelback79


....it could be argued that it gave rise to monkeys, apes and humans, which don't have these features either.

Wait, so it could be both? No way! Forget those tarsidae lovers! Team adapidae all the way!

Yeah, I know. I'm just waiting to find out what I need to put on my shirt.
 
The skeleton was unearthed by collectors about two years ago and has been kept tightly under wraps since then, in an unusual feat of scientific secrecy.

Is Paleontology 101 is the latest elective at Ninja Academy?
 
Originally posted by: Gothgar
P&N this is not

Apparenty he didn't want to get this one locked, so he left his propoganda BS that he put in his other thread out of this one...

For some reason, he thought this issue was important enough to post in OT and P&N....
 
Dude, that was discovered in 2006. Yesterday, it was plastered in the papers and on Google because it was the anniversary, not because it was news.
 
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