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Comments for my first build for video editing.

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saneman

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Motherboard - Asus P5L-VM 1394 $97

CPU - Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 Conroe 2.13GHz $220

Memory - Corsair XMS2 (2 x 1GB) 240pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) $240

Video Card - Nvidia Quadro FX 560 @ $280

Hard Drive - WD Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB SATA Drive $68
Add'l HDD - WD Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB SATA Drive $68

DVD - NEC 16X DVD±R DVD Burner Beige IDE Model ND-3550A - OEM $29

Sound Card - x-Fi XtremeMusic $100

Operating System - Windows XP Professional SP2 $110

Power Supply -SeaSonic S12-600 ATX12V 600W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CE, CB, FCC - Retail $145

Computer Case - Lian-Li PC-7B Plus 2 $80

Yate-Loon 120mm case fan $4

TOTAL ------- $1441

I would greatly appreciate your comments. Thank you!
 
Originally posted by: saneman
Video Card - Nvidia Quadro FX 560 @ $280

Hard Drive - WD Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB SATA Drive $68
Add'l HDD - WD Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB SATA Drive $68

Sound Card - x-Fi XtremeMusic $100
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You forgot to tell us which editor you are using. With a Quadro, I would assume Avid Xpress Pro HD. Also good for Sony and Adobe offerings. If Adobe, also look at the Matrox (more $ maybe, but lots of performance). If Grass Valley, not sure on Edius 4. If Avid Liquid, wrong video card.

Not sure on the x-Fi. M-Audio (now owned by Avid) cards tend to be the better solution (low SNR). The Audigy 4 is low too and I think the x-Fi is only on par with the Audigy 2.

On HDDs, start with at least 3. 1 for OS, 1 for media, 1 for render. 250, 500, 250 would be a really fun start. 3 250's is good and you can use the render and some of C: as temp store for video. Plan on getting some externals one day.

For your DVD drive, go to cdfreaks.com after it is installed. You want the Liggy firmware for the 3550A. It will give you 16x on T-Y media (I still use 8X for stuff for sale) and will allow bitsetting the booktype of DVD+R media to DVD-ROM.
 
[You forgot to tell us which editor you are using. With a Quadro, I would assume Avid Xpress Pro HD. Also good for Sony and Adobe offerings. If Adobe, also look at the Matrox (more $ maybe, but lots of performance). If Grass Valley, not sure on Edius 4. If Avid Liquid, wrong video card.

I'm planning on using Avid Xpress Pro.
 
The Asus P5L-VM seems like an odd choice, I would suggest the Gigabyte GA-965P-S3.

DDR2 800 isn't really worth the added cost over 667, so you can save a bit of money there.

The X-Fi seems like a waste of $100; use the on-board HD audio.

The S12 is a great PSU but why 600 watts?, the 380 watt S12 would be plenty.

Lastly what is the point of Quadro card for video editing?
 
Originally posted by: saneman
Originally posted by: pkme2
May I suggest Sony Vegas 6.0

It's nice to get started with and maybe progress to something like Edius Pro
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Do you think Vegas is better than Xpress Pro?
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No. Go with Xpress, especially if you want a job doing this.

And get a M-Audio then.

Getting Mojo too?

@Operandi - Avid recommends/certifies a Quadro.


 
Originally posted by: Operandi

The X-Fi seems like a waste of $100; use the on-board HD audio.
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The onboard audio is probably not compatible with Avid. I would suggest checking to make sure the audio card you decide on is supported by Avid before purchasing.

Lastly what is the point of Quadro card for video editing?
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The point is the Quadro card is certified by Avid. In my experience, you can get it to run on lesser Nvidia cards, but there are no guarantees. The Quadro 560 is a good choice.
 
Originally posted by: jbroughton
Originally posted by: Operandi

The X-Fi seems like a waste of $100; use the on-board HD audio.
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The onboard audio is probably not compatible with Avid. I would suggest checking to make sure the audio card you decide on is supported by Avid before purchasing.
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Another point on this (agreeing) is that video capture runs both through the CPU (or a 3rd party processor) and the audio subsystem during input to create the onboard DV files (HDV too). Many of the onboard chipsets are not very efficient or are limited. This will result in the audio and video stream being out of sync.

Saneman, don't miss this resource Avid Community. I go by the same name there too, but usually hang in the Liquid forum on occasion.
 
Originally posted by: jbroughton
The point is the Quadro card is certified by Avid. In my experience, you can get it to run on lesser Nvidia cards, but there are no guarantees. The Quadro 560 is a good choice.
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Isn't video editing primarily a CPU intensive task? If it is I don't see what pro level card is going to contribute. If I'm wrong how is the Quadro utilized?

Originally posted by: jbroughton
The onboard audio is probably not compatible with Avid. I would suggest checking to make sure the audio card you decide on is supported by Avid before purchasing.
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Same thing goes for audio (again unless I'm wrong) video and audio syncing is a CPU task. As far as I know there is no audio hardware acceleration for such tasks.
 
Originally posted by: Operandi
Originally posted by: jbroughton
The point is the Quadro card is certified by Avid. In my experience, you can get it to run on lesser Nvidia cards, but there are no guarantees. The Quadro 560 is a good choice.
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Isn't video editing primarily a CPU intensive task? If it is I don't see what pro level card is going to contribute. If I'm wrong how is the Quadro utilized?

Originally posted by: jbroughton
The onboard audio is probably not compatible with Avid. I would suggest checking to make sure the audio card you decide on is supported by Avid before purchasing.
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Same thing goes for audio (again unless I'm wrong) video and audio syncing is a CPU task. As far as I know there is no audio hardware acceleration for such tasks.
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VideoGuys recommends the Quadro FX cards.Why? Because! Pinnacle Liquid Edition, Adobe After FX, Avid Xpress Pro & Boris FX all take advantage of OpenGL. You will see more and more video editing software take advantage of OpenGL GPU power as new versions of NLEs get released. This is the key the reason why we recommend Quadro cards over less expensive 3D gaming cards. While you can do fine with a 3D gaming card, Quadro cards are designed and engineered for this kind of work - and the NLE engineers are optimizing their applications to take advantage of this GPU OpenGL power.
 
Dump the expensive Video Card.
It is definetly not needed in video editing, a cheapo card is plenty.

Spend money on the fastest CPU you can get.

Get TWO hard drives so you can work the files from one to the other.

Go to videohelp.com or doom9 for real help

Good Luck
 
Originally posted by: pkme2
VideoGuys recommends the Quadro FX cards.Why? Because! Pinnacle Liquid Edition, Adobe After FX, Avid Xpress Pro & Boris FX all take advantage of OpenGL. You will see more and more video editing software take advantage of OpenGL GPU power as new versions of NLEs get released. This is the key the reason why we recommend Quadro cards over less expensive 3D gaming cards. While you can do fine with a 3D gaming card, Quadro cards are designed and engineered for this kind of work - and the NLE engineers are optimizing their applications to take advantage of this GPU OpenGL power.
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Minor correction, Liquid uses DirectX.

@Operandi and bendixG15 - we are talking high-end editors. Check out the mfgr specs please. GPU memory, power, and bandwidth mean how much playback of unrendered effects you get in real-time. You missed the Intel intro to PCI-e. The one app they had to show 16x bandwidth was Liquid Edition 6.x playing back 5 lines of unrendered effects in real-time. An AGP X800 dropped frames in playback. And the same principal has just been discussed for distributed computing where the ATI 19xx GPU can do a huge amount of work above what the CPU can do. Some of my GPU effects render faster than CPU effects.

High-end editors are also using ASIO-2 to capture 2/4 tracks of 48k audio at the same time as DV for DV and 192 mpeg for HDV. Audio runs through the chipset AND we have seen dropped frames during capture with onboard chipsets. My capture function creates 1-4 audio files at the same time as the video file and links them.
 
Good info. I've only built one machine for video editing purposes and that was for more on the armature level.

I knew it was possible to accelerate encoding via the GPU but I didn't think it was implemented in any software packages yet. The dropped frames with audio is interesting.
 
Originally posted by: gsellis
Originally posted by: pkme2
VideoGuys recommends the Quadro FX cards.Why? Because! Pinnacle Liquid Edition, Adobe After FX, Avid Xpress Pro & Boris FX all take advantage of OpenGL. You will see more and more video editing software take advantage of OpenGL GPU power as new versions of NLEs get released. This is the key the reason why we recommend Quadro cards over less expensive 3D gaming cards. While you can do fine with a 3D gaming card, Quadro cards are designed and engineered for this kind of work - and the NLE engineers are optimizing their applications to take advantage of this GPU OpenGL power.
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Minor correction, Liquid uses DirectX.

@Operandi and bendixG15 - we are talking high-end editors. Check out the mfgr specs please. GPU memory, power, and bandwidth mean how much playback of unrendered effects you get in real-time. You missed the Intel intro to PCI-e. The one app they had to show 16x bandwidth was Liquid Edition 6.x playing back 5 lines of unrendered effects in real-time. An AGP X800 dropped frames in playback. And in case you missed it, the same principal has just been discussed for distributed computing where the ATI 19xx GPU can do a huge amount of work above what the CPU can do. Some of my GPU effects render faster than CPU effects.
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Then there's no point in getting the older generation Quadro cards, right?
 
Originally posted by: Howard
Then there's no point in getting the older generation Quadro cards, right?
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I am not sure. Avid Xpress uses less GPU than the new Vegas. Xpress, maybe, Vegas, probably not. Would need to check at both. Premiere, don't keep up. For Liquid, fast GPU, memory, and bandwidth are all factors in what you edit.

For 1080i, PCI-e 16x with 256MB is recommended. My setup may only do 2-3 lines before dropping frames (X800XT AIW 256MB AGP). I have gotten 29fps playback with 3 and an effect. IIRC, PCI-e also works serially, so it can fly.

Just looked - Avid Xpress Pro sys reqs.

 
Originally posted by: gsellis

Saneman, don't miss this resource Avid Community. I go by the same name there too, but usually hang in the Liquid forum on occasion.
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Thanks gsellis, I checked the Avid forum and looks like the Audigy 2 ZS is the only compatible audio card for Xpress Pro. Although, none are fully supported by Avid, the Audigy seems to work the best so far (or until Avid gives a list of approved audio cards)

Saneman
 
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