Okay, lest I am called out on my participation in girl threads, it is about time I get serious for a minute. 
So, here we go:
"And yet no change can happen, save for the few people who, as in the past, form a commitment to better the world, slowly, in whatever capacity possible, knowing that those who are endowed with a greater conscience are obligated to act in accordance with the Good."
Nevermind! I shall have to go back to grammar school.
Anyway, well, your post was a reflection, so there's really nothing to respond to there, except your explicit question: What does it mean to be human?
Well, to be human . . . uhmm. . . . Uhmm . . . this is a difficult one because of the very ambiguity of the word "human". I admit that my perception would certainly be subjective. So, here it goes: Humanity consists of three elements: existence, survival and improving the quality of life for mankind.
To be human is to exist first off with all of the physical and mental attributes associated with this specie. That's somewhat a tough one too, so I'll add the qualifier of also breathing, able to aware of one's environment too. When one has passed this level to qualify as human, I think that there's some property of holism when one speaks of humanity. On the one hand, we're a collection of people who realise that to survive and exist is to work with all as a whole and find solutions to the troubles that plagues mankind. However, in doing this, we are thriving not to be extinct as individuals. We're a collection of individuals whose every move is intertwined with existence, survival and improving our quality of lives. In so doing, we survive the difficulties of life and improve the quality of life for mankind. The individual in this sense becomes less important because of all of the forces of nature and external forces beyond our control.
Gosh, I hope I made sense there. I'm allowed to make no sense, right? Thanks for the reflection and question, Linuxboy. Hehehe!
So, here we go:
"And yet no change can happen, save for the few people who, as in the past, form a commitment to better the world, slowly, in whatever capacity possible, knowing that those who are endowed with a greater conscience are obligated to act in accordance with the Good."
Nevermind! I shall have to go back to grammar school.
Anyway, well, your post was a reflection, so there's really nothing to respond to there, except your explicit question: What does it mean to be human?
Well, to be human . . . uhmm. . . . Uhmm . . . this is a difficult one because of the very ambiguity of the word "human". I admit that my perception would certainly be subjective. So, here it goes: Humanity consists of three elements: existence, survival and improving the quality of life for mankind.
To be human is to exist first off with all of the physical and mental attributes associated with this specie. That's somewhat a tough one too, so I'll add the qualifier of also breathing, able to aware of one's environment too. When one has passed this level to qualify as human, I think that there's some property of holism when one speaks of humanity. On the one hand, we're a collection of people who realise that to survive and exist is to work with all as a whole and find solutions to the troubles that plagues mankind. However, in doing this, we are thriving not to be extinct as individuals. We're a collection of individuals whose every move is intertwined with existence, survival and improving our quality of lives. In so doing, we survive the difficulties of life and improve the quality of life for mankind. The individual in this sense becomes less important because of all of the forces of nature and external forces beyond our control.
Gosh, I hope I made sense there.
I'm allowed to make no sense, right? Thanks for the reflection and question, Linuxboy. Hehehe!I wouldnt say that the hunger to learn and grow is a consequence of being human...more of a trait. The human race is notorious for wanting to be the best at whatever they are trying to do which is another thing that drives us forward in many aspects of life (technology, medicine, space exploration). I think the yearn to learn and grow is a side effect of this desire to be the top of the proverbial food chain and its a big part of why we are where we are today. If thats a consequence I'd love to see the reward.
Eh, the reward or punishment is the consequence, not the antecedent action leading to an outcome. So you say it's more of a descriptive tag where I say it is because we are, therefore we hunger to learn and grow. I think we're saying the same thing in trying to understand one another. And yet that doesn't seem to be an all-encompassing answer.
actually, only the actions are not that simple,the descriptors are eloquently simple and seem to cover all aspects of the process and the ultimate goal in knowing what the word "humanity" truely means
So you say that the two words cover enough. Then if this is truly, so let us examine a few sides of those words.
I think the answer is unique to each individual, as individuality is key to being human.
The answer may be unique, that I do not question, but if we are united by a humanity, then should we not be able to define who and what we are, regardless of the uniqueness of our relative perspectives?
You say we each look through a lens. I agree, and ask to understand what that glass is making up the lens.
To be human is to be given the opportunity of eternity.
Yeah... so
Linuxboy,
Hello. Allow me to pontificate with response to your post. I may heartlessly disseminate it bit by bit so please don't take offense, it's just the examination of thought.
You seem to propose in your aureate soliloquy that we, as humans have not, until now in the downswing of the economic cycle, realized the permenance of our previous choices and actions.
Not quite. I propose that the current political and economic conditions in the world particularly make us aware of our indequacies as it embeds us in the middle of conflict and pain. You're introducing material implication arbitrarily without dismissing your premises.
I, on the other hand, believe that most have always understood the consequnces of their actions, save for that period in the timeline of life prior to the development and comprehension of empathy within the individual. That we, as adults, move through our shared existence mostly aware of what will in all probability come to be, and what we must do to survive in the most basic sense. However, the majority become preoccupied with fleeting pursuits, whether they be occupational advancement for sake of advancement in pretensious circles, or mere novelties that take up so many hours of free time, it replaces human contact. For this majority, apathy is the solution.
It is indeed. Yet look closer toward my ramblings. It did not follow the typical inductive or deductive format for argument. Merely, I sought to share reflections obtained upon our present state in an attempt to draw in a reader to consider with an argumentative and philosophical sort of outlook in an effort to search within themselves to find what it is about their nature that can possibly define what it means to be human.
I don't disagree with you but think you got sidetracked by my red herrings and illogical conclusion leading to a question. I took a different approach than standard essay-writing and debate.
I have traveled down this road myself several times. 'Why should i vote? What's the point? Who cares? I have my job, I have my family, what do I really care about beyond that? I have my computer, I have my car. I'm doing ok, sucks that you aren't. But do I really honestly care deep inside? Or rather, will I just grab a beer and watch HBO until 4 in the morning. Keep in mind that although we, as a nation are consistently in a state of flux, and we as a world undergo elephantine suffering and pain, that we, again, as a nation drown it all out with our entertaining, and always amusing diversions. Yeah, the world changes, yeah the nation changes, and yes, we as people change in the way we look at ourselves, the world, religion, and politics. But who are we to take away the electronic morphine of the masses so that we, as a nation, can writhe in pain together?
Especially when we are unable to tolerate and overcome our own condition, thus giving us no authority to arbitrarily state that a certain action is more laudable than another.
Then you say that to be human is to submit that we should be humble about our lack of knowledge and continue to search while maintaining the wareness of the threats of apathy and the pains of others. I like that
To be human is not to be an individual. It is not suffering, nor is it the toil of endeavoring to deserve redemption. The question "What is it to be human" is only a tool for greater self-realization. It's answer is as relevant as the cliched koan "What is the sound of one hand clapping". The answer is defined by the individuals understanding of the question.
Krishnamurti said "truth is a pathless land" a sentiment perhaps, in part, derived from Lao Tzu's teaching, "The way that is known is not the way". With that preface I will answer this: What it is to be human can not be answered in any way more truthfully than to act with compassion and love.
Ah, the Jiddu. I like your answer as well
Hi
Hey Mani
Ahh... it's great to be alive!
Got that right
Okay, lest I am called out on my participation in girl threads, it is about time I get serious for a minute.
So, here we go:
"And yet no change can happen, save for the few people who, as in the past, form a commitment to better the world, slowly, in whatever capacity possible, knowing that those who are endowed with a greater conscience are obligated to act in accordance with the Good."
Nevermind! I shall have to go back to grammar school.
Anyway, well, your post was a reflection, so there's really nothing to respond to there, except your explicit question: What does it mean to be human?
Well, to be human . . . uhmm. . . . Uhmm . . . this is a difficult one because of the very ambiguity of the word "human". I admit that my perception would certainly be subjective. So, here it goes: Humanity consists of three elements: existence, survival and improving the quality of life for mankind.
Only of three? Unless one of those three or the three combined can point me to an infinity, as recognized by the subjectivity of our own defintion of humanity, I think it's too restrictive.
To be human is to exist first off with all of the physical and mental attributes associated with this specie. That's somewhat a tough one too, so I'll add the qualifier of also breathing, able to aware of one's environment too. When one has passed this level to qualify as human, I think that there's some property of holism when one speaks of humanity. On the one hand, we're a collection of people who realise that to survive and exist is to work with all as a whole and find solutions to the troubles that plagues mankind. However, in doing this, we are thriving not to be extinct as individuals. We're a collection of individuals whose every move is intertwined with existence, survival and improving our quality of lives. In so doing, we survive the difficulties of life and improve the quality of life for mankind. The individual in this sense becomes less important because of all of the forces of nature and external forces beyond our control.
Gosh, I hope I made sense there.
Of course.
I'm allowed to make no sense, right?
Only if I am.
Thanks for the reflection and question, Linuxboy. Hehehe!
Thanks for the reply.
So far, it seems we have come to a sort of common ground.
Being human, human in itself and not a trait or a consequence or an obligation of humanity, but tru humanity is when we Love, when we recognize and have compassion toward other things. Because (as luvly said), we are intertwined, we are constantly aware of change and pain (as the pontif and HC has said), and still, our srive for survival compels a reaching for eternity, for the impossible redeemed and assured of our humanity.
I like it. Any other thoughts?
Cheers !
Eh, the reward or punishment is the consequence, not the antecedent action leading to an outcome. So you say it's more of a descriptive tag where I say it is because we are, therefore we hunger to learn and grow. I think we're saying the same thing in trying to understand one another. And yet that doesn't seem to be an all-encompassing answer.
actually, only the actions are not that simple,the descriptors are eloquently simple and seem to cover all aspects of the process and the ultimate goal in knowing what the word "humanity" truely means
So you say that the two words cover enough. Then if this is truly, so let us examine a few sides of those words.
I think the answer is unique to each individual, as individuality is key to being human.
The answer may be unique, that I do not question, but if we are united by a humanity, then should we not be able to define who and what we are, regardless of the uniqueness of our relative perspectives?
You say we each look through a lens. I agree, and ask to understand what that glass is making up the lens.
To be human is to be given the opportunity of eternity.
Yeah... so
Linuxboy,
Hello. Allow me to pontificate with response to your post
. I may heartlessly disseminate it bit by bit so please don't take offense, it's just the examination of thought.You seem to propose in your aureate soliloquy that we, as humans have not, until now in the downswing of the economic cycle, realized the permenance of our previous choices and actions.
Not quite. I propose that the current political and economic conditions in the world particularly make us aware of our indequacies as it embeds us in the middle of conflict and pain. You're introducing material implication arbitrarily without dismissing your premises.
I, on the other hand, believe that most have always understood the consequnces of their actions, save for that period in the timeline of life prior to the development and comprehension of empathy within the individual. That we, as adults, move through our shared existence mostly aware of what will in all probability come to be, and what we must do to survive in the most basic sense. However, the majority become preoccupied with fleeting pursuits, whether they be occupational advancement for sake of advancement in pretensious circles, or mere novelties that take up so many hours of free time, it replaces human contact. For this majority, apathy is the solution.
It is indeed. Yet look closer toward my ramblings. It did not follow the typical inductive or deductive format for argument. Merely, I sought to share reflections obtained upon our present state in an attempt to draw in a reader to consider with an argumentative and philosophical sort of outlook in an effort to search within themselves to find what it is about their nature that can possibly define what it means to be human.
I don't disagree with you but think you got sidetracked by my red herrings and illogical conclusion leading to a question. I took a different approach than standard essay-writing and debate.
I have traveled down this road myself several times. 'Why should i vote? What's the point? Who cares? I have my job, I have my family, what do I really care about beyond that? I have my computer, I have my car. I'm doing ok, sucks that you aren't. But do I really honestly care deep inside? Or rather, will I just grab a beer and watch HBO until 4 in the morning. Keep in mind that although we, as a nation are consistently in a state of flux, and we as a world undergo elephantine suffering and pain, that we, again, as a nation drown it all out with our entertaining, and always amusing diversions. Yeah, the world changes, yeah the nation changes, and yes, we as people change in the way we look at ourselves, the world, religion, and politics. But who are we to take away the electronic morphine of the masses so that we, as a nation, can writhe in pain together?
Especially when we are unable to tolerate and overcome our own condition, thus giving us no authority to arbitrarily state that a certain action is more laudable than another.
Then you say that to be human is to submit that we should be humble about our lack of knowledge and continue to search while maintaining the wareness of the threats of apathy and the pains of others. I like that
To be human is not to be an individual. It is not suffering, nor is it the toil of endeavoring to deserve redemption. The question "What is it to be human" is only a tool for greater self-realization. It's answer is as relevant as the cliched koan "What is the sound of one hand clapping". The answer is defined by the individuals understanding of the question.
Krishnamurti said "truth is a pathless land" a sentiment perhaps, in part, derived from Lao Tzu's teaching, "The way that is known is not the way". With that preface I will answer this: What it is to be human can not be answered in any way more truthfully than to act with compassion and love.
Ah, the Jiddu. I like your answer as well
Hi
Hey Mani
Ahh... it's great to be alive!
Got that right
Okay, lest I am called out on my participation in girl threads, it is about time I get serious for a minute.
So, here we go:
"And yet no change can happen, save for the few people who, as in the past, form a commitment to better the world, slowly, in whatever capacity possible, knowing that those who are endowed with a greater conscience are obligated to act in accordance with the Good."
Nevermind! I shall have to go back to grammar school.
Anyway, well, your post was a reflection, so there's really nothing to respond to there, except your explicit question: What does it mean to be human?
Well, to be human . . . uhmm. . . . Uhmm . . . this is a difficult one because of the very ambiguity of the word "human". I admit that my perception would certainly be subjective. So, here it goes: Humanity consists of three elements: existence, survival and improving the quality of life for mankind.
Only of three? Unless one of those three or the three combined can point me to an infinity, as recognized by the subjectivity of our own defintion of humanity, I think it's too restrictive.
To be human is to exist first off with all of the physical and mental attributes associated with this specie. That's somewhat a tough one too, so I'll add the qualifier of also breathing, able to aware of one's environment too. When one has passed this level to qualify as human, I think that there's some property of holism when one speaks of humanity. On the one hand, we're a collection of people who realise that to survive and exist is to work with all as a whole and find solutions to the troubles that plagues mankind. However, in doing this, we are thriving not to be extinct as individuals. We're a collection of individuals whose every move is intertwined with existence, survival and improving our quality of lives. In so doing, we survive the difficulties of life and improve the quality of life for mankind. The individual in this sense becomes less important because of all of the forces of nature and external forces beyond our control.
Gosh, I hope I made sense there.
Of course.
I'm allowed to make no sense, right?
Only if I am
.Thanks for the reflection and question, Linuxboy. Hehehe!
Thanks for the reply.
So far, it seems we have come to a sort of common ground.
Being human, human in itself and not a trait or a consequence or an obligation of humanity, but tru humanity is when we Love, when we recognize and have compassion toward other things. Because (as luvly said), we are intertwined, we are constantly aware of change and pain (as the pontif and HC has said), and still, our srive for survival compels a reaching for eternity, for the impossible redeemed and assured of our humanity.
I like it. Any other thoughts?
Cheers !
Originally posted by: linuxboy
I have been busy with many things. However, I think you confuse me with my sister who is currently researching NOx affects in zebra finches and baby chickens. Keeping those in incubators does make her very very busy with some Hot Chics. They're really fluffy, though
So far, we have a few ideas. One, that survival is what ultimately propels us to continue being human and therefore defines us, and that a consequence of being human is learning and growth.
We have yet to see what being human is, in, for and of itself.
Cheers !
Human "being" is an artifice, only what we construct or assign meaning to.
Human "being" is an artifice, only what we construct or assign meaning to.
Okay, but is there something about what it points to regardless of our conditioned constructs that is worthy of examination? If so, what is that? If ineffable, why? If definable, to what extent and what lessons does it teach?
Jfur, that's what we're trying to figure out.
Cheers !
Okay, but is there something about what it points to regardless of our conditioned constructs that is worthy of examination? If so, what is that? If ineffable, why? If definable, to what extent and what lessons does it teach?
Jfur, that's what we're trying to figure out.
Cheers !
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