Commentary on what Obama needs to do

[ProfJohn]

^ Resign in disgust???

Just a few weeks ago Obama gave himself a B+ for his first year in office. The guy is completely out of touch with reality, like a few posters around here.

 

[lothar]

HA!
It's a good thing you're not head of the DNC.
Your ideas won't achieve anything except lead to the Demoratic party being a permanent minority.

The Dems need to shift back to the center first and adopt centrist policies, get a "filibuster proof" majority(65+ votes and not 60), then they can go about passing whatever they want.

They actually thought having 60 votes was "filibuster proof" enough with Lieberman and DINO Ben Nelson being their holdout?
AHAHAHAHAHAHA.

The idea that the Dems need to go more to the left is nothing short of idiocy and will only lead to Obama being Carter II.
We know what happened to Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich. Liberals don't win elections.

Obama has pretty much lost confidence among centrist and independent voters. He should work to gain it back if he wants to be assured of his re-election(unless the GOP nominates someone stupid like Palin/McCain/Guilianni again).

 

[sandorski]

^ Resign in disgust???

Just a few weeks ago Obama gave himself a B+ for his first year in office. The guy is completely out of touch with reality, like a few posters around here.

I see you have read your posts.

 

[Patranus]

The Dems need to shift back to the center first and adopt centrist policies, get a "filibuster proof" majority(65+ votes and not 60), then they can go about passing whatever they want.

Not going to happen.
Pushing legislation on the states/nation is what has gotten them in trouble in the first place.

Look at the Nebraska handout. Not only are the people of Nebraska upset about Nelson voting for health care, they are even more upset about the handout and it was to their state.

Look at Massachusetts. They are fairly liberal but voted for a Republican to preserve their states rights. They have their state health care plan and do not want to have the federal government intrude on it.

Once the Democrats are able to understand these two situations (and probably a few others) they will understand the country. Until then, they will not return to power.

 

[IGBT]

it's obvious to the most casual observer he's in over his head. from here on out it's going to be public humiliation as he twists in the changing political wind. Next Hillary will resign to distance her self and lamb baste him from the out side. For the good of the democrat party he should resign but he won't. All he needs to do now is crash in the desert..put his sweater on and hunker down for the ride.

 

[Dari]

President Biden. Interesting.

At least Biden will lead. Obama has been lead by the Democratic Congress for too long. Have Democrats not realized that yet? I know that Congress is more powerful than the President but they are supposed to get their leadership and strength, not the other way around.

 

[cubby1223]

The return of the presidency to Republicans (and the start of our serious 30 year decline)

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, who are you and who do you think is your target audience?

If you find Republicans that evil, then do what you have the freedom to do, move to Venezuela and you can live under the rule of your hero.

 

[Patranus]

Aides to President Barack Obama on Sunday played down prospects for a major shake-up of his agenda, despite a shocking election setback last week for his Democratic party.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100124/pl_nm/us_obama_politics

Can you say Jimmy Carter 2.0?

 

[Craig234]

HA!
It's a good thing you're not head of the DNC.
Your ideas won't achieve anything except lead to the Demoratic party being a permanent minority.

The Dems need to shift back to the center first and adopt centrist policies, get a "filibuster proof" majority(65+ votes and not 60), then they can go about passing whatever they want.

They actually thought having 60 votes was "filibuster proof" enough with Lieberman and DINO Ben Nelson being their holdout?
AHAHAHAHAHAHA.

The idea that the Dems need to go more to the left is nothing short of idiocy and will only lead to Obama being Carter II.
We know what happened to Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich. Liberals don't win elections.

Obama has pretty much lost confidence among centrist and independent voters. He should work to gain it back if he wants to be assured of his re-election(unless the GOP nominates someone stupid like Palin/McCain/Guilianni again).

You don't understad this much. Presidents improve their support by leading the people - for better or worse.

Bush started out as an insecure president who peple said couldn 't dare do govern in any way but pandering to the center, avoiding going to the right and alienating them after a very close election he really lost, and his ratings were low and declining as people said what is he about and predicted a bad loss for re-election - but with 9/11 and his hard turn to the right, his ratings went way up. They eventually declined because they were such bad policies, but the point is they went up as he led away from the center. Same with Reagan.

FDR on the other side didn't have high ratings by governing to the center but by leading the people left.

Few 'great presidents' are remembered for pandering to the other side, the middle. You are simply making the mistake of wanting the policies you agree with to be the ones he should do, so you say this.

If Obama could pass a really big medical reform - like medicare for all, far more left than the current one - he'd get big political points, it terrifies Republicans, hence their blocking everything desparately.

You didn't understand the commentary. People want the president to do what the government is for - rotect them not only from the government itself, the right-wing bogeyman, but powerful private tyranny.

Oh, and Lothar, on who has a clue about how for the DNC to win, you attack me with a comparison to Howard Dean, saying he can't win.

Who was the chairman of the DNC who led the Democrats back to power after a Republican decade? I'd say you are the one we're luck is not the DNC chair.

"When given the choice between a Republican, and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, the voters will choose the Republican every time."---Harry Truman

 

[Craig234]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100124/pl_nm/us_obama_politics

Can you say Jimmy Carter 2.0?

Jimmy Carter 2.0 > George Bush 3.0

 

[Craig234]

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, who are you and who do you think is your target audience?

If you find Republicans that evil, then do what you have the freedom to do, move to Venezuela and you can live under the rule of your hero.

You're an idiot. I'll stay here and help the great United States improve by not going anything you support. You are welcome to move to small-government Haiti.

 

[Craig234]

At least Biden will lead. Obama has been lead by the Democratic Congress for too long. Have Democrats not realized that yet? I know that Congress is more powerful than the President but they are supposed to get their leadership and strength, not the other way around.

There's some truth to that. But sometimes there's polkitical benefit to a President becoming a demagogue, not staying well within his limited powers, that benefits him btu it bad for our democracy, too.

For example, Reagan was a 'leader' who couldn't take no for an answer under the constitution, and to the cheers of any on the right, went outside the law to get things done. It was not good for the democracy.

 

[Patranus]

Jimmy Carter 2.0 > George Bush 3.0

I don't know about you but last time I checked there were not any gas waiting lines when GWB was in the White House....then again....when I think about Carter.....something about a gas shortage comes time mind.

But I must be mistaken.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Resign for the good of the nation. This new populism he's selling isn't selling. Now that we know he's just another politician, I doubt that anyone will believe him anymore.

You are going to be unhappy person when he win the 2012 Presidential election........

For every nutcase like you there are those who understand that there is noway in hell the Republican should ever be in office....the lesser of two evil...sure but still is bette than any Republican...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dari
Resign for the good of the nation. This new populism he's selling isn't selling. Now that we know he's just another politician, I doubt that anyone will believe him anymore.

President Biden. Interesting.

actually it`s not so much president Biden as it is with dari .....anybody but a Black president!!

 

[Craig234]

I don't know about you but last time I checked there were not any gas waiting lines when GWB was in the White House....then again....when I think about Carter.....something about a gas shortage comes time mind.

But I must be mistaken.

Uh, what did Carter have to do with the gas shortage? The gas shortages started because of the middle east states under Nixon. Under Carter, the domestice politics in Iran led to a major strike, and that caused the oil shortage that caused the lines. How was that Carter's fault? Carter did a variety of things to help the situation. Little doubt you have never heard of the Carter Doctrine for one, which delcared that any attack on the US oil interests in the Middle East was consisdered an attack on US vital oil interests, to help ensure their availability. Sounds more like a right-winger.

Carter was the guy who created the Synthetic Fuels Corporation to develop alternatives to importing oil - a priority not shared by the Republicans after him. You're full of it again.

 

[Red Dawn]

actually it`s not so much president Biden as it is with dari .....anybody but a Black president!!

Actually Dari's more interested in establishing a Fourth Reich

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2023262&highlight=

 

[Red Dawn]

Before the election, I said we need an FDR, not a Clinton, on policy; I said we needed an FDR on leadership, not a Carter, and if Obama wasn't FDR he ran the risk of being Carter II.

A president who might have the right position on some issues, but it doesn't matter as much if they aren't assed and he's not re-elected returning the presidency to the radical right as Carter did Reagan.

The return of the presidency to Republicans (and the start of our serious 30 year decline) one election after the nation couldn't say the word Republican without nausea after Watergate, as they turned sour on the party after Bush II, is a lesson of the short memory and effectiveness of campaign big buchs - now far looser than every before - for Obama.

What we got with Obama was too much Clinton corporate compromise on policy, and so far, more Carter than FDR on leading the policies to take effect.

But he's still better than either in those ways on some issues.

Here's an article that has the views of many progressives about what he should do.

In short, it says to recognize that the concentration of power and the problems with our democracy not representing the averqage American are the most important issue and need him to side with the people.

Sadly, I'm not sure how much he can really do now - the Supreme Court has done something it's not easy to undo from turning our nation into one with McGovernment far more than it already is.

Is there anything short of a constitutional amendment to protect the citizens from the monsters the system they run has created?

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/01/24-2

WHat he should do is kick the Progressives to the curb and get in line with the average American and move more to the Center. He was elected to try and correct what Bush and the Republicans fucked up, not to totally revamp everything and move us to the far Left.

 

[Double Trouble]

Good point Red, and one that I've tried to convey to eskimo et al for a while. The people were sick of Bush and the repubs in congress and the mess they made for 8 years. Along comes a guy who promises to change and fix things so they sweep him into office. That doesn't mean they gave him a mandate to turn everything upside down or implement radical policies.

Obama should listen to the message the pubic is sending him: move to the center, stop trying to change everything all at once, and focus on how to get the economy back on track, that's the number 1 concern.

 

[PokerGuy]

He should resign along with Biden, Pelosi and Reid, for the good of the country. Then a new election can be held and we can see if we can do any better this time.

 

[Craig234]

He should resign along with Biden, Pelosi and Reid, for the good of the country. Then a new election can be held and we can see if we can do any better this time.

Yes, bring back Bush, Cheney, Frist and DeLay for the good of the country. Pathetic. Every one of these guys is far better than every one of those guys.

 

[Red Dawn]

He should resign along with Biden, Pelosi and Reid, for the good of the country. Then a new election can be held and we can see if we can do any better this time.

How so, it'll still be Republicans vs the Democrats, a lose lose situation any way you look at it.

The best case scenario would be for the Progressive Senators and Congressmen to be unseated by Moderate Democrats, unfortunately the best case scenario never seems to happen.

 

[Craig234]

Good point Red, and one that I've tried to convey to eskimo et al for a while. The people were sick of Bush and the repubs in congress and the mess they made for 8 years. Along comes a guy who promises to change and fix things so they sweep him into office. That doesn't mean they gave him a mandate to turn everything upside down or implement radical policies.

Obama should listen to the message the pubic is sending him: move to the center, stop trying to change everything all at once, and focus on how to get the economy back on track, that's the number 1 concern.

What 'change' are you talking about? He magically snaps his fingers and the economy is over the problem in a week while the deficit is eliminated and we're paying off the debt? That Afghanistan is at peace fast?

You know, he really should get the Congressman to return all their special interest donations and swear to only listen to the citizens from now on, and have the middle east cut oil prices in half. He said change.

As part of the Nobel Peace Prize, they said English is now the official language of the world.
While they're at it, Iran asked Israel to come run their country.

 

[Red Dawn]

What 'change' are you talking about? He magically snaps his fingers and the economy is over the problem in a week while the deficit is eliminated and we're paying off the debt? That Afghanistan is at peace fast?

You know, he really should get the Congressman to return all their special interest donations and swear to only listen to the citizens from now on, and have the middle east cut oil prices in half. He said change.

As part of the Nobel Peace Prize, they said English is now the official language of the world.
While they're at it, Iran asked Israel to come run their country.

If you'd pull your head out of your far left leaning ass you'd understand that's not even close to what he or I said.

 

[Robor]

^ Resign in disgust???

Just a few weeks ago Obama gave himself a B+ for his first year in office. The guy is completely out of touch with reality, like a few posters around here.

Oh the irony.