http://www.sharkyextreme.com/theguide/biz/high_biz_pc/2.shtml
I´ve posted my comments on their article feedback forum already, nuff said.
I´ve posted my comments on their article feedback forum already, nuff said.
Comment on this BS on Sharky Extreme!
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Well, first off, who the krunk is sharkyextreme to be giving advice to corporate IT? That is a joke.
Secondly, the old thing about 'never getting fired for buying IBM', but transposed to Intel CPU's is just such a cliche it sounds really juvenile in a serious editorial.
As far as durability of socket CPU's versus slot, well gee they seemed fine for the last couple decades. Besides, who really cares if the odd one fails -certainly not the customer so long they are promptly replaced on warranty.
Sharky is kiddy gaming site. Just look at the quality of their forums and you know who their audience is. It is just laughable that they pretend they are anything else.
Secondly, the old thing about 'never getting fired for buying IBM', but transposed to Intel CPU's is just such a cliche it sounds really juvenile in a serious editorial.
As far as durability of socket CPU's versus slot, well gee they seemed fine for the last couple decades. Besides, who really cares if the odd one fails -certainly not the customer so long they are promptly replaced on warranty.
Sharky is kiddy gaming site. Just look at the quality of their forums and you know who their audience is. It is just laughable that they pretend they are anything else.
Check out these two pages, I think that says it all.
http://www.ibuyer.net/prod.html?id=477535
http://www.ibuyer.net/search.html?str=Athlon
I remember why I don't go to Sharkeys site anymore.
http://www.ibuyer.net/prod.html?id=477535
http://www.ibuyer.net/search.html?str=Athlon
I remember why I don't go to Sharkeys site anymore.
"We know this is a controversial move, but we're looking at this from the viewpoint of computer consultants and corporate IT."
Then they say to get a sound card and a DVD drive, oh ya..... corporate IT my butt.
Then they say to get a sound card and a DVD drive, oh ya..... corporate IT my butt.
<< Socketed CPUs are inherently less durable than slot packaged CPUs due to having less protective packaging, something AMD has been learning the hard way. So, for our High-End Business PC Buyer's Guide's processor, we are recommending the Intel Pentium III 1GHz. >>
Geez, what a dumbass... like Intel doesn't use socketed CPUs as well as AMD... :|
Dave
He makes no sense what so ever.
First he makes the statement
Socketed CPUs are inherently less durable than slot packaged CPUs due to having less protective packaging, something AMD has been learning the hard way. So, for our High-End Business PC Buyer's Guide's processor, we are recommending the Intel Pentium III 1GHz.
So then they turn around and recommend a socket PIII??
Also a few other things that are way off. If this review is for "Coporate IT" then there is no way in hell you are gonna be buying PIII 1 Ghz chips for every single worker. That just doesn't make any sense.
I mean if we are talking about Corporate America then lets think about what the average worker will do on their PC in the course of a day.
8:30 Boots up Win95A(or WinNT4.0WS) and logs on to the network.
8:35 Starts applicable email client.(Lotus Notes, Outlook, etc)
8:55 Done reading morning E-mail, opens browser and checks companies intranet.
9:15 Decides it is time to start looking busy. Opens Word, Excel, and Power Point.
9:30 Meeting
10:30 Check for any new E-mail.
........
I could bore you with the rest of Joe Q. Public's day but you get the point. The average worker doesn't need anything higher than say a 600 Athlon or PIII depending on where your loyalty falls. And I would love to go to work for a company that buys every employee a 19" Sony monitor. Senior VP's at where I work are lucky if they can dredge up a 17" KDS that is about 4 years old.
Pfffft I am rambling now so I will step down from my soap box.
First he makes the statement
Socketed CPUs are inherently less durable than slot packaged CPUs due to having less protective packaging, something AMD has been learning the hard way. So, for our High-End Business PC Buyer's Guide's processor, we are recommending the Intel Pentium III 1GHz.
So then they turn around and recommend a socket PIII??
Also a few other things that are way off. If this review is for "Coporate IT" then there is no way in hell you are gonna be buying PIII 1 Ghz chips for every single worker. That just doesn't make any sense.
I mean if we are talking about Corporate America then lets think about what the average worker will do on their PC in the course of a day.
8:30 Boots up Win95A(or WinNT4.0WS) and logs on to the network.
8:35 Starts applicable email client.(Lotus Notes, Outlook, etc)
8:55 Done reading morning E-mail, opens browser and checks companies intranet.
9:15 Decides it is time to start looking busy. Opens Word, Excel, and Power Point.
9:30 Meeting
10:30 Check for any new E-mail.
........
I could bore you with the rest of Joe Q. Public's day but you get the point. The average worker doesn't need anything higher than say a 600 Athlon or PIII depending on where your loyalty falls. And I would love to go to work for a company that buys every employee a 19" Sony monitor. Senior VP's at where I work are lucky if they can dredge up a 17" KDS that is about 4 years old.
Pfffft I am rambling now so I will step down from my soap box.
SharkyExtreme sucks...the very first time i saw it I didn't like it...and that was when i was a computer newbie.
With a name like Sharky Extreme...it can't be IT. Its a lil rich-boy "gamerz" site owned by a corporate company (internet.com). He promotes the most expensive hardware with no backing behind his decisions except utter BS except the implied "its more expensive so it must be better" stuff that you can see through the lines.
I really wish anand didn't mention his site...ever. I mean, maybe sharky is a cool guy, but he isn't really in tune with the tweaker/hobbyist any more...nor is he with the IT world...he's stuck with the newbies and 8 year olds...lol.
With a name like Sharky Extreme...it can't be IT. Its a lil rich-boy "gamerz" site owned by a corporate company (internet.com). He promotes the most expensive hardware with no backing behind his decisions except utter BS except the implied "its more expensive so it must be better" stuff that you can see through the lines.
I really wish anand didn't mention his site...ever. I mean, maybe sharky is a cool guy, but he isn't really in tune with the tweaker/hobbyist any more...nor is he with the IT world...he's stuck with the newbies and 8 year olds...lol.
Well I rarely visit his site and now I just wont anymore. He's a sucker for Intel. Anyone remembered his Duron review?
Sharky Extreme Sux!!!!!!!
Sharky Extreme Sux!!!!!!!
Actually in a way I agree with what sharkey is saying, I don't handle any of the purchasing of hardware but I do alot of the installing, I am a field tech at NASA HQ in washington DC and yeah the more durable the part the better because with the way users and even techs handle things on the go they get alot of abuse.
It is much easier to swap a slot processor out than it is a socket, you dont have to be as gentle and static at least with the old p2's was not as much of an issue. I especially like the new HD's that are totally surrounded by metal instead of those having the board show through-yeah you have to be careful but not as much as before.
If you actually work in the IT field, especially in field support where you have to fix the problem at the users desk and not in your home on your own workbench and with as much time as you want, but instead where your also working within a timeframe and have to have the problem no matter what fixed within three hours, whether it be a keyboard not plugged in, someone putting a cd rom into an old 5 1/4 floppy drive, or entirely reblasting a system backing up all of the users classified data and reconfiguring their dektop to look and act exactly as it did before they muffed it up- you will realise that what sharkey is saying is not BS but does hold some weight. I value quality components, that are built tough and right so that I don't have to do my job twice-too bad most of what we use at work is garbage
It is much easier to swap a slot processor out than it is a socket, you dont have to be as gentle and static at least with the old p2's was not as much of an issue. I especially like the new HD's that are totally surrounded by metal instead of those having the board show through-yeah you have to be careful but not as much as before.
If you actually work in the IT field, especially in field support where you have to fix the problem at the users desk and not in your home on your own workbench and with as much time as you want, but instead where your also working within a timeframe and have to have the problem no matter what fixed within three hours, whether it be a keyboard not plugged in, someone putting a cd rom into an old 5 1/4 floppy drive, or entirely reblasting a system backing up all of the users classified data and reconfiguring their dektop to look and act exactly as it did before they muffed it up- you will realise that what sharkey is saying is not BS but does hold some weight. I value quality components, that are built tough and right so that I don't have to do my job twice-too bad most of what we use at work is garbage
Well I rarely visit his site and now I just wont anymore. He's a sucker for Intel. Anyone remembered his Duron review?
Sharky Extreme Sux!!!!!!!
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HEHEHE Have you looked at his duron 750 review yet? He also has a celeron2 700 and a duron 700 in it and in this review somehow the duron 700 that lost to the c2 700 in his last review is all of a sudden beating the crap out of it. I wonder what happened maybe it had to something to do with all the crap he caught afterwords .
Sharky Extreme Sux!!!!!!!
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HEHEHE Have you looked at his duron 750 review yet? He also has a celeron2 700 and a duron 700 in it and in this review somehow the duron 700 that lost to the c2 700 in his last review is all of a sudden beating the crap out of it
. I wonder what happened maybe it had to something to do with all the crap he caught afterwords .well i think they were talking about the slot 1 1ghz, but still its still has the core exposed. The thing about recommending intel and not getting blamed he is right about though. Its the same thing as recommending a linux based server vs. a SUN one. The corporate types will think "SUN=real company , LINUX=cheap is crappier" and you'll be blamed more. Thats also half the reason everyone buys dells.
CPU failure is not very common.
The only real logic behind fearing a recommendation of AMD is that the upper management over the IT sees more Intel commercials than AMD. If management fires someone for making an honest recommendation, then they are stupid.
Sharky Extreme, that was a stupid explanation. First thing I would have to say, "Where is the data to backup the statement that a slot is more reliable than a socket."
What about the recall of the 1.13GHz PIII? Does that boost your confidence in Intel CPU's?
I don't go to Sharky Extreme. I only randomly follow a link there by accident.
The only real logic behind fearing a recommendation of AMD is that the upper management over the IT sees more Intel commercials than AMD. If management fires someone for making an honest recommendation, then they are stupid.
Sharky Extreme, that was a stupid explanation. First thing I would have to say, "Where is the data to backup the statement that a slot is more reliable than a socket."
What about the recall of the 1.13GHz PIII? Does that boost your confidence in Intel CPU's?
I don't go to Sharky Extreme. I only randomly follow a link there by accident.
I wont even bother mentioning the many faults with the parts themselves.
Every decently sized company out there would buy from Compaq, Dell, HP etc, if Sharky can find even ONE single corporation with more than 10-20 employees that uses home built workstations, Ill be impressed.
Every decently sized company out there would buy from Compaq, Dell, HP etc, if Sharky can find even ONE single corporation with more than 10-20 employees that uses home built workstations, Ill be impressed.
Well, this isn't related to the IT/Corp sellout but it's related to the Duron 750 article.
Here in this link:
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/reviews/cpu/duron_750/3.shtml
"...The Celeron uses 128K of 8-way set-associative L2 cache. That's twice the L2 cache of the Duron, which will likely significantly impact performance. For this reason, AMD brings up the fact that the Duron's total on-chip cache, including L1 cache, is 192K, compared to the Celeron's lower 160K of on-die cache. The AMD Thunderbird uses 256K of L2 cache, giving it a total of 384K of on-die cache..."
Wait a minute, I thought the newer Celeries had 128K of 4-way set-associative L2. That, coupled with it having a higher L2 latency and 66 FSB made the newer Celeries slower than their P3 Coppermine brethren.
I fired-off an e-mail to (SharkyExtreme) about this. (And) this was the poop that was shoveled back to me:
"...According to Intel, the Celeron has an 8-way cache. I have no idea why other people are saying otherwise..."
How long have the newer Celeries been in the market, now?
Unless WCPUID is lying and I have an experimental Celery or SharkyExtreme has their heads up something and they prefer to be up in it.
Here in this link:
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/reviews/cpu/duron_750/3.shtml
"...The Celeron uses 128K of 8-way set-associative L2 cache. That's twice the L2 cache of the Duron, which will likely significantly impact performance. For this reason, AMD brings up the fact that the Duron's total on-chip cache, including L1 cache, is 192K, compared to the Celeron's lower 160K of on-die cache. The AMD Thunderbird uses 256K of L2 cache, giving it a total of 384K of on-die cache..."
Wait a minute, I thought the newer Celeries had 128K of 4-way set-associative L2. That, coupled with it having a higher L2 latency and 66 FSB made the newer Celeries slower than their P3 Coppermine brethren.
I fired-off an e-mail to (SharkyExtreme) about this. (And) this was the poop that was shoveled back to me:
"...According to Intel, the Celeron has an 8-way cache. I have no idea why other people are saying otherwise..."
How long have the newer Celeries been in the market, now?
Unless WCPUID is lying and I have an experimental Celery or SharkyExtreme has their heads up something and they prefer to be up in it.
When I first went to Sharky Extreme I thought it was ok. It had some pretty informative stuff in there. But I noticed how their site has gone way down hill after Internet.com bought them.
I don't know what I'll do if Anandtech sells out.
I don't know what I'll do if Anandtech sells out.
WAIT - Before you all go calling Sharkyextreme a moron's site, think about what he really said!
There may be NOTHING wrong with AMD chips, but middle management doesn't know that. As far as they are concerned, Intel and AMD chips perform roughly on par, and Intel is more reliable. The cost difference between an Intel and AMD system isn't that much. Thus they have no incentive to switch. Its irrational, but that's life.
"Secondly, the old thing about 'never getting fired for buying IBM', but transposed to Intel CPU's is just such a cliche it sounds really juvenile in a serious editorial."
Auric - it sounds dumb, but unfortunately its true. Look at all major corporations. They buy Intel based machines, not AMD.
Besides, if even 1/4 of corporate IT were to switch to AMD i think we'd be facing huge shortages of T-Bird and Duron chips. They'd suck all of them up and leave none for general consumers.
There may be NOTHING wrong with AMD chips, but middle management doesn't know that. As far as they are concerned, Intel and AMD chips perform roughly on par, and Intel is more reliable. The cost difference between an Intel and AMD system isn't that much. Thus they have no incentive to switch. Its irrational, but that's life.
"Secondly, the old thing about 'never getting fired for buying IBM', but transposed to Intel CPU's is just such a cliche it sounds really juvenile in a serious editorial."
Auric - it sounds dumb, but unfortunately its true. Look at all major corporations. They buy Intel based machines, not AMD.
Besides, if even 1/4 of corporate IT were to switch to AMD i think we'd be facing huge shortages of T-Bird and Duron chips. They'd suck all of them up and leave none for general consumers.
Red Dawn you are making an assumption. In no way did I imply that anandtech is where IT workers congregate.
However, when sharkyextreme was aquired internet.com's press release did define the site as an information source for same. So that combined with their editorial is laughable when you know who the real audience is.
I will say that plenty of good advice is to be had here. The reviews and such are generally good too.
sharkyextreme reviews are generally bloated, opinionated, and sometime just loose with the facts.
I have not visited in awhile but typical of their forums were subjects like "VOODOO OWNZ" and "GAYS SUCK", peppered with liberal links to porn.
There is nothing wrong with a kiddie gaming site which is no more or less respectable or valuable or whateverable than a site for some specific field of employment. They should just decide what they are and go with it. Surely the name Sharky Extreme would be even less palatable to corporate sensabilities than AMD. Plus, the porn links don't lend themselves to respectability.
Besides, even if they are just trying to educate their kiddie audience a little knowledge can be a bad thing. It can be quite annoying to repeatedly read various 14 year olds' "educated" opinion on the respective merits of video card companies which invariably use the beaten to death catch phrase "NVIDIA's six month product cycle".
However, when sharkyextreme was aquired internet.com's press release did define the site as an information source for same. So that combined with their editorial is laughable when you know who the real audience is.
I will say that plenty of good advice is to be had here. The reviews and such are generally good too.
sharkyextreme reviews are generally bloated, opinionated, and sometime just loose with the facts.
I have not visited in awhile but typical of their forums were subjects like "VOODOO OWNZ" and "GAYS SUCK", peppered with liberal links to porn.
There is nothing wrong with a kiddie gaming site which is no more or less respectable or valuable or whateverable than a site for some specific field of employment. They should just decide what they are and go with it. Surely the name Sharky Extreme would be even less palatable to corporate sensabilities than AMD. Plus, the porn links don't lend themselves to respectability.
Besides, even if they are just trying to educate their kiddie audience a little knowledge can be a bad thing. It can be quite annoying to repeatedly read various 14 year olds' "educated" opinion on the respective merits of video card companies which invariably use the beaten to death catch phrase "NVIDIA's six month product cycle".
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