Commander-in-Mischief: Is Obama Trying to Sabotage the GOP?

[Jhhnn]

Repubs need a new mascot- the Whinoserous...

Not that I blame them for blubbering, given their choices...

But that's not what they're crying about... but rather the big bad Dems using their own guy's words against him...

Taunting conservatives? It's not like they won't be in a snit over something, anyway...

 

[Jhhnn]

He can certainly be both a Marxist and a corporatist, seeking to limit capitalism while simultaneously making deals with large corporations. It only takes being smart enough to realize that Marxism inevitably leads to poverty. Therefore a smart socialist seeks not to wipe out capitalism, but to control it and control its product. It's called picking winners and losers; you scratch my back and I'll harm or destroy your competition while giving you tax breaks. Congress does this all the time with the tax code and sometimes with other laws. To wit: I'll enact a crippling health care bill, then I'll let my friends opt out, thus gaining a competitive advantage over my enemies (i.e. capitalists who don't give me money and say nice things about my initiatives.)

Doesn't the incessant spinning make you dizzy? Or is it the other way around?

 

[Nemesis 1]

That the whitehouse is collecting e-mail addresses of citizens is quite concerning.

I'm reporting that to attackwatch and flag@whitehouse.gov.

Give me the phone number I will report myself the rotten bastards.

 

[Nemesis 1]

He is a communist who wants one corporation running everything with everyone working for that one corp...

😉

You left out the part were he sees a one world gooberment and he fancies himself as Nim Rod.

 

[Lemon law]

Given the typical tactic of Karl Rove, Fox News, Limbaugh, and similar serial distorters of reality, anything alledged in this thread about any democratic party dirty tricks totally pales in comparison.

 

[trenchfoot]

Given the typical tactic of Karl Rove, Fox News, Limbaugh, and similar serial distorters of reality, anything alledged in this thread about any democratic party dirty tricks totally pales in comparison.

The issue I have with what you said is that no matter how anyone (myself included) describes Rove, Fox and Limbaugh's chronic use of deceit, misinformation, contextual skullduggery and duplicity, it always seems grossly understated in comparison with how far these sources of far right wing propaganda have gone to spread their sewage.

 

[DominionSeraph]

They can't color him red AND blue and expect to produce the same effect as if you were to paint him totally red or totally blue. Pick one, stick with it.

They're catering to the Fox News viewers, who eat that shit up. Those viewers do not live in a consistent worldview, they're completely taken with emotional manipulation and they love it.

 

[woolfe9999]

He can certainly be both a Marxist and a corporatist, seeking to limit capitalism while simultaneously making deals with large corporations. It only takes being smart enough to realize that Marxism inevitably leads to poverty. Therefore a smart socialist seeks not to wipe out capitalism, but to control it and control its product. It's called picking winners and losers; you scratch my back and I'll harm or destroy your competition while giving you tax breaks. Congress does this all the time with the tax code and sometimes with other laws. To wit: I'll enact a crippling health care bill, then I'll let my friends opt out, thus gaining a competitive advantage over my enemies (i.e. capitalists who don't give me money and say nice things about my initiatives.)

I'll agree with Jhhnn's response that this is pretty strained spin-jobbery, and I'll add a more specific comment. What you are describing is not Marxism by definition. The Marxist doesn't "preserve" capitalism. What you're describing is just the mixed system that we've had since the early 20th century, that exists to varying degrees throughout the entire developed world, and you're putting a negative cast on it. Even if your negative spin were true, it still isn't Marxism by definition.

No, I'm afraid the point stands - he can't be a Marxist and a crony capitalist at the same time. He could incorporate some elements of each into his governance, but he couldn't accurately be described as either. It's like saying I'm a Marxist because I believe in single payer healthcare, but a corporate shill because I don't fault Obama for not prosecuting Wall Street more vigorously. Neither label is correct.

In Amercian ideological terms, Obama is essentially what we call a moderate. Not really very different from Clinton, who incidentally was also called both of these things repeatedly.