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[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Pens1566
That was his worst book.

Well, if it matters, I'm pretty sure he didn't write it. The style is all wrong...

It's been a while since I read it, and I only read it once. What diffs are you thinking about?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Pens1566
That was his worst book.

Well, if it matters, I'm pretty sure he didn't write it. The style is all wrong...

It's been a while since I read it, and I only read it once. What diffs are you thinking about?

Less detail. Previous Clancy books go into a lot of detail, much of it semi-accurate, about all sorts of things that aren't always central to the story. Details about how aircraft carriers are manned, how nuclear weapons work, things like that which add a lot of depth and detail to the story. "Teeth of the Tiger" was much simpler in comparison, it read a lot more like a book by military action writers who don't know a lot of technical details and/or aren't good at making them sound convincing. Now I suppose Clancy might just have wanted to throw a quick book out there to make a quick buck, but there were other things as well. I think the most obvious to me was the actual shootout scene in the mall, it was written in a much less believable way than Clancy usually does his action scenes...it read a lot more like Dale Brown or one of those guys who writes sequences that are entertaining, but almost cartoonishly overdone in a lot of aspects.

 

[BBond]

Come One, Come All, Join the Terror Target List

Now you know why they cut terrorism funding to New York City by forty percent this year. They had to get the money to redistribute to their own states from somewhere, and who cares if we lose another few thousand New Yorkers? Not bush and his partners in crime.

But you can be sure he'll be back here afterwards for a speech and photo op that plays well back in Indiana.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Pens1566
That was his worst book.

Well, if it matters, I'm pretty sure he didn't write it. The style is all wrong...

It's been a while since I read it, and I only read it once. What diffs are you thinking about?

Less detail. Previous Clancy books go into a lot of detail, much of it semi-accurate, about all sorts of things that aren't always central to the story. Details about how aircraft carriers are manned, how nuclear weapons work, things like that which add a lot of depth and detail to the story. "Teeth of the Tiger" was much simpler in comparison, it read a lot more like a book by military action writers who don't know a lot of technical details and/or aren't good at making them sound convincing. Now I suppose Clancy might just have wanted to throw a quick book out there to make a quick buck, but there were other things as well. I think the most obvious to me was the actual shootout scene in the mall, it was written in a much less believable way than Clancy usually does his action scenes...it read a lot more like Dale Brown or one of those guys who writes sequences that are entertaining, but almost cartoonishly overdone in a lot of aspects.

I could see that. Then again, the topic of that book wasn't exactly his area of expertise, but R6 wasn't nearly as bad. Probably the rush to get it out thing. I might go back and read it again.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: BBond

Come One, Come All, Join the Terror Target List

Now you know why they cut terrorism funding to New York City by forty percent this year. They had to get the money to redistribute to their own states from somewhere, and who cares if we lose another few thousand New Yorkers? Not bush and his partners in crime.

But you can be sure he'll be back here afterwards for a speech and photo op that plays well back in Indiana.

I still find it amusing that the people most worried about terrorism seem to be the people least likely to be attacked by terrorists...and that the people most threatened by attacks are the people least likely to vote for the great anti-terrorist crusader.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: BBond

Come One, Come All, Join the Terror Target List

Now you know why they cut terrorism funding to New York City by forty percent this year. They had to get the money to redistribute to their own states from somewhere, and who cares if we lose another few thousand New Yorkers? Not bush and his partners in crime.

But you can be sure he'll be back here afterwards for a speech and photo op that plays well back in Indiana.

I still find it amusing that the people most worried about terrorism seem to be the people least likely to be attacked by terrorists...and that the people most threatened by attacks are the people least likely to vote for the great anti-terrorist crusader.

QFT

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Tom Clancy's terrible book "Teeth of the Tiger" was based on just such a terrorist plot, but I think he (and you) are mistaken. 9/11 was a VERY successful bit of terrorism, and it was an attack that clearly was NOT something that could happen to just anyone...the best remembered part of the attack was on two of the tallest buildings in the world, in the largest city in the country, buildings that are nothing so much as symbols to most of us. Yet it worked to terrorize people for almost 5 years and counting...even if those people lived in Bugdick, Arkansas. It's not about engineering terrorist attacks that you think might happen to you, it's about attacking something the entire country values...symbols, like I said.

The idea of, say, shooting up a shopping mall in Des Moines (as Tom Clancy's terrorists did) is certainly clever...and it would send the message that no one is safe. But I don't think it would have the same psychological impact as, say, shooting up Disneyland. Terror works best when it's something people have a hard time getting a handle on, targetting everyday things would be almost too obvious...people would internalize the threat. Again, 9/11 saw hundreds of people die when their airplanes were hijacked...but that's not the part of the attack that terrorized people the most, by now people have internalized the threat of air-terrorism, to the point where most people seem to view airport security as just another pain in the ass. But people are still scared of the threat of terrorist attacks...

True. I'm realizing more and more how irrational the vast majority of the population is (and it's depressing). So, I guess I should say that if people operated in a rational manner, they would be more terrorized by shopping mall shootings than by 9/11-style attacks.

 

[amish]

Originally posted by: BBond

Come One, Come All, Join the Terror Target List

Now you know why they cut terrorism funding to New York City by forty percent this year. They had to get the money to redistribute to their own states from somewhere, and who cares if we lose another few thousand New Yorkers? Not bush and his partners in crime.

But you can be sure he'll be back here afterwards for a speech and photo op that plays well back in Indiana.

do some research before you start crying. they cut terrorism funding in indiana too, ~30%. check page 16

but in new york as a whole the total amount has gone up. all they did was move it from SHSP to UASI. Text

ODP Grant Funding

FFY 2004 - $184,038,832
State Homeland Security Program
$78,827,000 ($63,061,600 local)
Law Enforcement Terrorism Preparedness Program
$23,391,000 ($18,712,800 local)
Citizens Corps
$1,637,000 (administered by SEMO)
Urban Area Security Initiative - $80,183,832
New York City Urban Area - $47,007,064
Buffalo / Erie County - $10,095,856
Albany / Albany County - $6,853,481
MTA - $16,227,431

ODP Grant Funding
FFY2005 - $298,350,633
State Homeland Security Program
$49,417,927 ($39,534,342 local)
Law Enforcement Terrorism Preparedness Program
$17,970,155 ($14,376,124 local)
Citizen Corps
$627,360 (administered by SEMO)
Urban Area Security I initiative - $221,082,907
New York City Urban Area - $207,563,211
Private Non-Profits - $6,311,701
Buffalo Urban Area - $7,207,905
Emergency Management Performance Grant
(EMPG) - $8,114,323 (administered by SEMO)
MMRS - $1,137,960