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Come on people, buy a Minidisc!

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I was thinking about buying one this weekend at Best Buy, but it seems the prices for a portable recorder won't go below $100. I bought a Sharp MD recorder from a Mobshop deal a few years back for $65 (incredible deal) but I sold it when money got tight. Now I want something I can connect to a mixer and record without setting up the PC, but the cheapest one at BB was a Sony for $130.
 
Originally posted by: BlipBlop
Why will there always be those little nerds who point out grammatical flaws instead of responding to a question or post? While you may not care to take me seriously, more important people than you, do.

On another note, you guys should seriously look at the size of Minidisc Recorder/Players. While CD players are very nice, their size really takes the "portable" out of portability.

That's not a "grammatical flaw". That's an out-right, grammatical fvck-up! :|

I can see getting "to" and "too" mixed up sometimes, but "two"???
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amish
 
Have a R900 (inported from japan about 2 yrs ago), going to get an iPod soon. MD doesn't cut it anymore
 
Yeah actually I have seen those, althought I meant that it would be nice to find a discman that played mp3s and radio with one built in.

I had a friend who had a discman with one built in (I dont remember the brand though), but since then I havent seen any new ones with a built in one.
 
Its only in America that the MD is relatively unpopular. EVERYWHERE else in the world, the MD is EXTREMELY popular, and much more so than mp3 players and possibly portable CD players.
 
Readthis!
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NY Times

October 25, 2001

A Gadget Inadvertently Saves MiniDiscs From the Scrapheap
By MICHEL MARRIOTT

An odd thing happened to the MiniDisc player on its tumble toward the ash heap of failed electronic products. The devices, developed by Sony (news/quote), began getting popular. Very popular.

Ultimately MiniDisc technology, which Sony had spent years trying to find a market for, escaped the fate that claimed the company's Betamax video format in the 1980's. The story of how it did so offers a peek into the way electronics companies can reshape a product to fit changing consumer tastes and needs.

It also illustrates the role that serendipity can play. Help for MiniDisc came unexpectedly from a small Australian video graphics card company with an outpost in Texas whose product made it possible for MiniDisc owners to transfer music from their computers. And it involved a music compression format that Sony had long avoided: MP3.

As a result, MiniDisc owners now had a device that offered the same ease and convenience of other digital music devices like MP3 players.

"The PC interface has given new life to the MiniDisc category," said Jim Hirschberg, director of consumer electronics research for NPD Intelect, a market research firm.

Last year, sales of MiniDisc players, which had never been strong in the United States, began to pick up. North American sales more than tripled in the first half of 2000 from the comparable period in 1999, retail tracking figures show. And even during this year's general slump in sales of consumer electronics, MiniDisc's popularity has remained high, industry experts said.

"MiniDisc is the leading digital music player on the market," said Robert Ashcroft, senior vice president for the personal mobile products division of Sony Electronics. Market statistics for the digital music industry appear to support that.

Among portable digital music players, a category that includes MP3 players and other devices made by companies like Rio, Iomega (news/quote) and Creative Labs, Sony MiniDisc accounted for about 40 percent of the market in July, according to NPD Intelect. That is more than any other kind of device, and more than twice the share held by Sony MiniDisc in June 2000.

Downloading music into a MiniDisc player represents a big change from the way the device was originally intended to be used. MiniDisc recorders were designed to record and play CD-quality music digitally on removable magneto-optical discs that were about half the diameter of CD's. Sony saw the palm-size devices as the natural successor to the portable cassette tape player, a category that the company invented in 1979 with the introduction of the Walkman.

MiniDisc matched the chief strength of tapes in that it was an inexpensive medium (the discs cost less than $2 each) that could be recorded and rerecorded on many times over from just about any source. But Mini Disc also offered many of the advantages of CD's, including excellent sound and the ability to listen to songs in any order. MiniDisc players were smaller than CD players, too, and the sound was skip-free.

While the players quickly became successful in Japan and in Europe, MiniDisc was widely regarded as little more than expensive exotica in the United States. (The first models cost $700 to $800.) Many casual consumers seemed content with their portable cassette players, and the popularity of home CD players signaled that if they did buy a new kind of portable device, they would opt for a technology that allowed them to use the same discs they were playing at home. Despite its compact size and other convenient features, the MiniDisc player was largely ignored.

"In North America it just didn't do very well," said Bruce Kasrel, a senior analyst focusing on consumer electronics for Forrester Research (news/quote) in Boston. "Americans said they have CD's! what need do I have for this thing?"

The player, which relies on a proprietary Sony compression format called Atrac, also began to face competition from players that used the MP3 format. Music lovers on college campuses and in wired workplaces and homes began discovering MP3's and what seemed like an endless supply of downloadable, often free music on the Internet. Plugged into MP3 music-sharing sites like the old Napster, people were cramming their computer hard drives with thousands of their favorite tunes.

Soon companies like Rio were introducing MP3 players so that all of that music could be shifted from a computer to a portable device. The players offered a new set of advantages: because the music was stored on chips, there were no moving parts and power consumption was minimal. They were also skip-free.

Then out of nowhere came an accidental innovation for MiniDisc. Xitel, an audio technology company based in Canberra, Australia, with a marketing branch in Austin, Tex., was making specialty internal sound cards for computer game players who wanted to create a surround-like sound with two speakers rather than four. As the company developed and refined its sound cards, it added a digital optical output port on a new model in 1998 for connection to high-end audio components.

"While there was never really a demand for something like that from gamers, we saw it as another check mark no one else had," said Graham Neall, Xitel's manager for United States sales. Then, he said, something surprising happened.

"MP3 became popular in the U.S. market," he said. "A good percentage of our market actually starting buying our sound cards not to reproduce this great 3-D surround sound but to download MP3 files to their MiniDisc recorders."

All MiniDisc recorders have optical input ports that allow audio recording from any device with an optical output port without loss of sound quality. It quickly became apparent to Xitel executives that while consumers had their music-filled personal computers and Sony had the MiniDisc, "what Sony didn't have was a piece of conduit to attach the two," Mr. Neall said.

Sony and Xitel worked out an accord to create a linking device. But first Xitel had to address Sony's concerns about how a new device coupled with MiniDisc might invite trouble with copyright violations involving music downloaded from the Internet.

The solution, said Mr. Neall, was first to produce a Xitel connector called an
MD-Port (DG2)
that would transfer music to MiniDisc recorders in analog form only not digital copies. But by early 2000 Xitel was making an MD-Port that could transfer digital music files and was also able to incorporate a chip that halted transfers of music that is not authorized for copying.

The MD-Port costs about $40 (wholesale), and today, Mr. Neall said, Xitel sells more than 100,000 of them a month. Sony includes the connectors, which it calls PC Links, with each new MiniDisc player. (Sharp (news/quote), the only other maker of MiniDisc players for the North American market, includes a digital optical link with some models.)

"We knew it was the right direction to move in," said Tracy Farrington, the marketing manager for portable MiniDisc players at Sony, of the decision to link the MiniDisc to the PC.

What makes using a MiniDisc recorder rather than an MP3-like audio player particularly attractive is the cost of the recording media. A blank MiniDisc costs about $2 and can hold 74 minutes of CD-quality music. * Chip-based memory cards that MP3 and other digital audio players use can cost up to about $100 and hold an hour to two hours of CD-quality music.

Yet MiniDisc recorders have a major disadvantage that most digital players do not: music can be transferred to MiniDisc recorders only in real time, meaning that if a play list of music on a PC is 74 minutes long, it will take 74 minutes to move that collection onto a MiniDisc. **

Bob Scaglione, vice president for marketing at Sharp Electronics, said that new technology was in the works to solve that problem by early next year. And Sony has announced plans for an interface format called Net MD that will allow faster downloads.

"When we first launched MiniDisc we were targeting higher-end consumers, somebody in their 30's and 40's and predominantly male," said Ms. Farrington of Sony. Now, she said, Sony is able to market the MiniDisc recorder to a much younger consumer.

Ms. Farrington said she knew that MiniDisc had finally arrived when she heard a new generation talk about it as if it had no bumpy past. "They just think of MiniDisc as the newest thing," she said.

Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company

*NOTE: New MDLP (MiniDisc Long Play) technology now allows that same 74-minute disc to hold nearly 5 hours of great sounding stereo music!

**NOTE: The new NETMD models now allow computer-to-MD downloading at speeds up to 32x real time!



 
three years ago i would have agreed that a minidisc was teh way to go...but now md's are out.....i have a ton of music at home and having a mp3 player with larger capacities combined with high speed transfers is more convenient
 
"**NOTE: The new NETMD models now allow computer-to-MD downloading at speeds up to 32x real time!"

Thats only at MDLP4, MDLP2 is bearable (i think its 8X or 16X speed?), but the quality loss when you use MDLP4 is just too high, I only use MDLP4 to record lectures. MD is only a niche in the US (i find ppl who have them, got it for the "cool" factor or to record live music, I fall in the previous category). I've found it too be a cool gadget but not something I would recomend to my friends.

MP3 players with HD's and highspeed connections like the iPod and that toshiba iPod clone w/ USB2 connection are where its at now

I'd glad you like your MD, but IMHO in MD's are no match for the iPod
 
"When we first launched MiniDisc we were targeting higher-end consumers, somebody in their 30's and 40's and predominantly male," said Ms. Farrington of Sony. Now, she said, Sony is able to market the MiniDisc recorder to a much younger consumer.

Ms Farrington should be fired for not knowing her audience. First of all, sound quality on minidisc (the way they had it) was (is) crappy compared to CD quality that higher-end consumers wouldn't give it a blink. However, most of us younger generation in the our 20's don't give a flying fvck about that discrepancies in sound quality. Minidisc should've been marketed toward younger consumer in the first place.

Ms. Farrington said she knew that MiniDisc had finally arrived when she heard a new generation talk about it as if it had no bumpy past. "They just think of MiniDisc as the newest thing," she said.

Again, minidisc is not the "newest" thing to me anymore. It was maybe like 5-6 years ago.
 
Originally posted by: BlipBlop
Readthis...
Umm...that's great. A year-old article about Digital Optical Out on soundcards.
MDLP4? Hmm...I'd prefer the SQ a chicken farting underwater to that.
NetMD? Garbage.

Sorry, but gimme a 20GB iPod or Nomad Jukebox Zen. Portable, skip free, I can carry all my music with me, and no swapping discs.
 
Originally posted by: Cal166
How long is the battery Life on the IPODs?

10hrs i think, enough for me, just plug in the firewire cable to sync any new songs and recharge it too.
 
i got mine jacked today at school... well actaully i know where it is, so i lost it, but not really since my friend was using it and didn't give it back
 
Originally posted by: BlipBlop
How much is a 20gig Ipod?



EDIT: $400 (on Ebay!). Sorry, thats just a tad TOO much for me.
Nomad Jukebox Zen is $300 after a $50 rebate. How much is a Sony N707? $200?
Buying enough MDs to hold as many songs as the Zen does at a comparable quality would throw the price advantage out the window.
 
The ATRAC compression used in MD sounds better to me than MP3. I don't know anyone who has actually owned a MD unit to characterize the sound as 'crappy'. In fact before hard disk recording became so popular, MD recording was a viable alternative to ADAT recording because of it's high-fidelity.
 
minidisc technology is old....that's like buying laser disc instead of DVD's......ok not that bad, but minidisc has outlasted its usefulness....IMHO
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
I have a Sony Mindisc player. I got it cuz Sony gave us a deal, the $150 player for $30. I don't really like it, and rarely use it. I prefer CD quality.
Uhhhh....I put tracks from CDs onto my minidisc through my DVD players optical-out. IE: No loss in quality. MP3's were whatever quality they came off of the PC.

 
Originally posted by: BDawg
Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
Why would I want moving parts when I can get solidstate?

Because there's no skipping on an iPod, and so you can get more than a few albums worth of music at a time.
How often do you go running/biking with your ipod?
 
Originally posted by: GSOYF
minidisc technology is old....that's like buying laser disc instead of DVD's......ok not that bad, but minidisc has outlasted its usefulness....IMHO

Actually I'd say its more like buying VCDs instead of DVDs.

Anyways I'd rather stick to MP3s on CD, 700MBs of MP3s on a CD is good enough for me, then you also can play regular CDs and listen to the radio.
 
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