It isn't advertised as such. It is always advertised as "up to 8 Mbs".
No conspiriacy here. Just uninformed customers. Buyer beware.
It isn't advertised as such. It is always advertised as "up to 8 Mbs".
No conspiriacy here. Just uninformed customers. Buyer beware.
child of wonder
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Then you fail to comprehend your own company's advertising and the English language.
"Up to 8Mb" does not mean "we allow you to burst up to 8Mb" it means "your connection has a maximum throughput of 8Mb." They say this because they cannot guarantee this speed due to the nature of the connection. The wiring in the house, ground, and the usage of other neighbors on the same CMTS can limit one's maximum speed at any given time.
"Up to 8Mb" simply means they set the maximum speed in the config file given to the cable modem as 8Mb. For our 8Mb customers it's set at 8196000 b/s.
Go ask your marketing department why they say "up to 8Mb."
konakona
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god I used to hate how our internet would crawl to sub-dial speeds when my roomate goes on a bittorent pr0n-bonanza... Throttling didnt seem to have much effect, so I would let him go at full blast (about 10kb upstream) and get it out of the way asap instead...
Have you ever seen a Comcast commercial? Maybe in print ads they'll put on the little * that says "up to", but in television commercials they simply say "8 megabits per second" or whatever speed.
If you're seriously going to sit there and claim that the cable companies don't have unbelievably misleading advertising practices regarding what speed they are offering, you are delusional.
If you're ignorant enough to think that most people who are using BT people can't figure this out and aren't still shelling out for broadband then you are the delusional one...
We all know they lie...it makes technical and fiscal sense.
The problem I see, a dreary example of which I witnessed gain 3000+ diggs this morning, is arrogance. Everyone has this sense of entitlement over PRIVATE GOODS AND SERVICES even though they agreed to and signed a EULA to the contrary. For some reason they were completely unaware of how stressful BT can be on a network when you decide to seed like crazy and the network isn't designed to handle 400+ connections from a bunch of people on a single node.
Sure the SP / ISP's are at fault, but lets not act stupid. We ask too much of them, all the while knowing that they are overselling everything to extreme levels to generate revenue and their networks are pathetically unprepared for the wrath of the latest Monday night "linux iso*."
If we want change, we have to fight for it, be it with our voices, our black hats, or our wallets. All the while we cannot be so hypocritical, as it totally undermines our position.
This is one of the cool things about OSS. It actually removes the need to join the culture of theft that has developed among students. Instead of pirating something, many times there is a free alternative that is painless to quire and use. It ain't perfect, and having migrated from Windows, I am taking a while to adapt, but I have to say, it is quite the load off.
For the most part I am now either using OSS or buying *almost everything," and will eventually become completely legit, but it isn't easy. There are simply too many financial barriers for the poor...
*sarcasm
Again, I neither support nor oppose p2P networds. My problem is, the cable companies have unscrupulous advertising practices. They advertise 8 meg fat pipes with tiny little disclaimers that 99.999% of people aren't going to understand. They'll see "* mbs service" and assume it means they can count on an 8 meg connection at any time. My sole point is that their advertising practices need to change and be more honest. I could care less what happens to BTers who get throttled due to this new practice.
It makes technical and fiscal sense to lie about tons of stuff. Maybe Comcast should advertise that using their Speed Tier makes your penis larger. Hey, it makes fiscal sense to do so, right?
Nik
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Exactly. I don't care if it's "up to" anything. They offer 8Mbps downstream, I'm going to use it. They offer 512kbps upstream, I'm going to use it. They charge an arm and a freaking leg for sub-standard service compared to the rest of the world because they can get away with it and THEN they have the balls to slap their customers around for taking full advantage of the service that they're paying for, despite the FCC slapping them around saying FIX YOUR NETWORKS. It's all driven by the vile greed of those sitting on their ass getting a brazillion dollar bonus every year because the shareholders are happy with the company's P&L report. Nobody cares about the end-user beyond the point of subscribing. They'll kiss your ass until you're a customer, then they'll bend you over and ream you a new asshole if that's what it takes to squeeze another single penny from you. Fuck them. I pay more money per month than most subscribers do in Europe and Asia, yet they get vastly better service.
Let Comcast bitch all they want. The moment I get a letter in the mail telling me I use too much of their bandwidth, I'll cancel my service and go with another broadband ISP.
Okay then....most people have been arguing with BT in mind so sorry to lump you into that group....
As for the fiscal sense, think about it. They are now getting hit with wave after wave of new content delivery over http....and their infrastructure isn't setup for that...
I am not saying that they are right...I am just being realistic...
40Hands
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I love how corporation profits are what matter the most nowadays. Screw the customer! If they're not profitable enough, dump them.
Especially with the monopoly's forming. We as customers have no say anymore. Don't like Comcast? That's fine, go for People PC Dial-up.
Especially with the monopoly's forming. We as customers have no say anymore. Don't like Comcast? That's fine, go for People PC Dial-up.
aye
Seeing as how sprint is a little smaller, and with the possibility of the sprint + google wimax initiative, it will at least introduce more competition..
As I have said before, I see our network infrastructure paralleling the factories in the industrial revolution. Not only do we need to be producers, but we need to be able to deliver to the customer base....
Realistically there ARE ways to keep costs down and increase revenue without blatantly lying to your customers. It's simply easier to lie.
Look up the numbers. The majority of people have a choice in broadband - mainly cable and telecom. This is a fiercly competitive business and the reason you have such low broadband prices is directly due to that competition.
There is no conspiracy here. Just sound business principles.
BTW, look up the "comcast tied internet" digg thread....it's infuriating.
these little rats trying to setup ubuntu download sites are complaining that they got throttled. (WELL DUH!) Not only that, but then they start bitching about "tiered internet" and "*** comcast" and how they are victims or tiered internet. They even linked to the DAMN WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE WHERE IT DEFINES THE ISSUE, and they still didn't have A clue what they were talking about...just took a chance to take a jab at the "monopoly"
Sure they are getting the short end of the stick, and seeing how it was ubuntu cds, sure they have a legitimate gripe.
But to then, out of convenience, lump your issue with a compeltely seperate one, and server onyl to dilute the other unrelated issue is disgraceful.
Worst off it got 3000+ diggs.
bunch of tools:|
these little rats trying to setup ubuntu download sites are complaining that they got throttled. (WELL DUH!) Not only that, but then they start bitching about "tiered internet" and "*** comcast" and how they are victims or tiered internet. They even linked to the DAMN WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE WHERE IT DEFINES THE ISSUE, and they still didn't have A clue what they were talking about...just took a chance to take a jab at the "monopoly"
Sure they are getting the short end of the stick, and seeing how it was ubuntu cds, sure they have a legitimate gripe.
But to then, out of convenience, lump your issue with a compeltely seperate one, and server onyl to dilute the other unrelated issue is disgraceful.
Worst off it got 3000+ diggs.
bunch of tools:|
Many will soon hit a MAJOR wall if they don't adapt. As theses monopolies grow and reach scale, they will have less and less to fund infrastructure improvements, and even the big guys can fall....
Originally posted by: Vic
I don't know what's funnier: this post, or the flames it derived from the people who don't get it.
Look, I'm dl'ing torrents on Comcast as I type this (gray-area ones, not actual piracy, I'm finally getting around to getting WRC Finland [read: European TV sports not broadcast in the US]). But still I recognize the need of networks to limit abuse from a small minority of its users. Seriously, if you're gonna dl at full speed 24/7, then you should pay more. Just like people who consume more electricity have to pay more for their usage. Would you argue that the person who conserves electricity should have to pay for the person who leaves his lights on 24/7?
For some reason this is very hard for the majority of the user base to understand...
Frankly I noticed it from having lived in a Windows world (not MS's fault by any stretch)
...it turned many students into thieves out of educational need and grey logic...
WRC is worth doing time though
...assuming they use choppers for the feed:evil:*loves the chopper-trailing-car footage :heart:*
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Japan is roughly the same square mile footprint as Montana.
Think about the population density there compared to here and how much less it costs to run the required services to those distances and the bang to buck that you get when you do deliver them.
Apples to oranges.
Nik
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It's still apples to oranges. You don't offer what you can't provide and then continue to intentionally do so under the veil of deceit and greed by targetting your own customers instead of spending your insanity-profits to upgrade your network out of the stone age.
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Originally posted by: GuideBot
It's still apples to oranges. You don't offer what you can't provide and then continue to intentionally do so under the veil of deceit and greed by targetting your own customers instead of spending your insanity-profits to upgrade your network out of the stone age.
Insanity profits? Look at the net income on the major providers (Comcast, Time Warner, Qwest, ect) and see just how much they actually make...if they make any at all.
Running a communications company where you have to service your own lines is a very risky business.
If that were the case, broadband in Canada would be much more expensive than Broadband in the US.
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