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[Huma]

jeez, no one has even mentioned XML yet.

 

[nd]

<< jeez, no one has even mentioned XML yet. >>

Yeah? Or maybe you were being rhetorical in that you're disgusted with all the buzzwords flying around (to which I agree). If not, then you should understand that XML is nothing special.

 

[FelixDeCat]

How about GWBASIC? I thought that was gonna payoff too.... :|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|

 

[AdamDuritz99]

<<PHP doesn't scale (yet). Neither does PERL (yet). Neither will land you a &quot;great&quot; job, simply because large corporations are loathe to adopt open source, free solutions (no central support network) - I'm not saying this is right, I'm just saying that this is what happens.
>>

hahhahaha. uhh PHP mabey not completely up to par, but soo very close. and umm that statement about perl. well, i personally find that just funny.


peace
sean

 

[ugh]

[/i] >>

There are some requirements for a type of programming to be considered &quot;software engineering&quot; I believe. I don't know what these are, but I'm reasonably confident that web/database development does NOT fall into this category (a niche area, a skill, where no CS algorithmic theory or engineering principles are necessary).

Don't take offense, I'm just being truthful.[/i] >>



None taken. But some companies post ads for Software Engineer and they end up doing the same thing Web Developers (ASP, COM+, JSP, EJB, Servlets, etc) do

 

[Czar]

PHP is getting bigger and bigger, growing alot faster than ASP is.

Check out this page
http://www.hugi.is
All done in PHP, has alot of users posting and reading everything, runs of 2 webservers and 1 database server.

Whats best about php is that it can connect to nearly EVERY database there is.

 

[mithrandir2001]

Isn't PHP non COM-based? ASP has to take an overhead hit for extending its capabilities with COM.

PHP may be faster than ASP in benchmarks now, but let's see what happens with ASP.NET, where each page is compiled only on the first load and stored as p-code thereafter.

 

[Shazam]

<< hahhahaha. uhh PHP mabey not completely up to par, but soo very close. and umm that statement about perl. well, i personally find that just funny. >>

Care to back up your statement with something tangible? PERL is getting to the point where it's becoming legacy code.... Just like ASP, CF, Python....

 

[StageLeft]

Thing about PHP that Mithrandir mentioned is that regardless of how good or bad it is it doesn't really matter. It can be 30X as good as ASP in everyway but until the industry adopts it one should carefully consider whether they want to master it over a more mainstream product.

Anyway about MS certifications: yes work experience is definitely preferable but in some cases like mine where I was unemployed it was either watch TV or take certs. The job that I may be getting in the immediate future I am getting only becuase of a conection + MCSD and I know that for sure - its also with a big experienced company.

Although a clown can memorize dumps on the net and pass any of the MS certs if you truly study the material to pass it legitimately you will have a strong command over the stuff. You don't have the experience but having worked last year with various developers who had more experience than me I can confidently say that my technical abilities are superior to theirs because of my reading books in pursuit of the exams. We had an e-comm site designed by a lady with 4 years experience and I know for sure I could develop a better site now. For the love of god we didn't even use stored procedures. It was a royal mess because her 4 years experience were doing the same thing day in and day out, whereas if she'd actually of spend a week or two reading before constructing the site it would have been much better.

 

[PCResources]

<< Woah you can afford the entire evening? How much did that cost you? >>



RossMan, this might come as a shock to you, but some of us don't need to pay for girlfriends... ;-)

Patrick

 

[Descartes]

<< ... the S in SQL stands for Standard, as usual, MS does not follow the standard of the computer >>



I don't know if you were being facetious, but it stands for structured. MS' implementation is called T(transact)-SQL, and yes, they have build their own extensions into the language as every other implementor does.



<< but I'm reasonably confident that web/database development does NOT fall into this category (a niche area, a skill, where no CS algorithmic theory or engineering principles are necessary). >>



Huh? So, somehow, one can manufacture web-based systems w/o regard for engineering principles? Largely, web-based systems are MUCH MORE complex than their standalone or straight 2-tier client/server counterparts. Most web-based systems are OLTP, and that in itself opens pandora's box in regards to sound software engineering. Experience will enlighten you my son.



<< .NET is still a big mystery. Whether MS can actually follow through in the functionality and actually have it work and work well is another story. >>



I guess I haven't been writing our system with .NET since Beta 1. I've also obtained the actual API that constructs the CLR (what .NET &quot;compiles&quot; against). It's very real, it works, and it's here to stay whether we like it or not.



<< C/C++ is somewhat (relatively) esoteric. >>



Esoteric? C and C++ both are ansi standards. I downloaded mine for I believe $19 from ansi.org a long while ago.



<< If you want to stay with web stuff, C/C++ won't really help you. If you want to write hardcore telecom/embedded chip apps, then this is your ticket. Unfortunately for me, I don't want to do this >>



C and C++ both are *VERY* much alive, even in .NET. C++ is often used for web stuff, at least for IIS, in the form of isapi extensions.

[edit]Updated for redundancy [/edit]

 

[PCResources]

Whoa Shazam, that was a BOLD statement...

Care to back it up?

I really do not like Java at all, i do like Perl and Python though...

Why? The performance, that's why...

Patrick

 

[RDMustang1]

I almost got laid off 5 weeks ago, thankfully my boss spoke up for me

 

[PCResources]

<< AFAIK, PHP and PERL cannot be run in a scalable/redundant multi-server cluster, in that a user can hit an application and have the request be sent to a server based on load. I think there are initiatives under way however. Haven't checked in a few months. >>



a scalable/redundant multi-server cluster? WHY would PHP and Perl run any differently than any other programming language or application? It has nothing to do with PHP and Perl, it is a OS/Server issue.

The servers are set up, the OS (and some HW) takes care of the scalability/redundancy and the clustering...

Running PHP on a Beowulf cluster provides excellent performance... If you are thinking about database clustering without any extra connections except for the Eth interface, then you are still not right, the database of your choice will take care of that...

Patrick

 

[ugh]

<< but I'm reasonably confident that web/database development does NOT fall into this category (a niche area, a skill, where no CS algorithmic theory or engineering principles are necessary).

Huh? So, somehow, one can manufacture web-based systems w/o regard for engineering principles? Largely, web-based systems are MUCH MORE complex than their standalone or straight 2-tier client/server counterparts. Most web-based systems are OLTP, and that in itself opens pandora's box in regards to sound software engineering. Experience will enlighten you my son. >>


Good point there. I forgot about that part of developing software

 

[dhslammer]

I feel your pain

 

[Kosugi]

Take what job you can...


For instance, over the next 6 months, Verizon will finish laying off 30,000 workers.

They are cutting every 2 months. Nobody notices when you do that...

Sadly, after the boom of the 90's, this is the hang-over