Columnist believes military coup brewing as a solution to the "Obama problem"

ayabe

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"There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the "Obama problem." Don't dismiss it as unrealistic.

America isn't the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it.

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Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a "family intervention," with some form of limited, shared responsibility?

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don't shrug and say, "We can always worry about that later."

In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass."

MediaMatters


Unfortunately, the full article isn't available and has been removed from Newsmax, which issued this statement:

"Newsmax strongly believes in the principles of Constitutional government and would never advocate or insinuate any suggestion of an activity that would undermine our democracy or democratic institutions."

Good for them I guess, but they shouldn't have published it in the first place, sloppy editing for sure.

I cannot for the life of me understand why this guy and the fringe who agree with are behaving like cornered animals. Just because the US isn't a third world country doesn't mean that a military junta or something similar would be a solution to anything. We have to suspend the Constitution in order to save it!!! I can't think of anything more unconstitutional or un-American than that frankly.

Obama is simultaneously being lambasted for being a radical leftist who's destroying the county and for doing "nothing". Those are mutually exclusive are they not?

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jonks

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Well if I seriously had good reason to believe a muslim sleeper agent from Kenya stole the election after manufacturing birth certificates and newspaper announements 50 years ago and that he was putting death panels in health care legislation to kill the elderly and that he was a racist who wanted to force congress to pay reparations to black americans and that he was instituting reeducation camps for our youth and that he tried to indoctrinate our children with subliminal messages during his speeches...well, then I should be locked up in a rubber room I guess.

But if I got out of that room I'd definitely try to take back my country. Wouldn't you?
 

Jaskalas

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Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it.
Imagine a bloodless coup

And Iraqis with open arms! That a coup would be bloodless is some ill conceived fantasy. The notion alone seems dangerous. The nicer you make something sound, the easier it?ll be to support it.

I can only conclude that this is advocacy for it.
 

Moonbeam

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There are a whole lot of folks in this country who are deeply mentally ill and depend for the suppression of that madness on authoritarianism. When the authoritarian leader is replaced by democrat, the terror of freedom rises to the surface. The potential for the expression of madness then becomes for them all to real.
 

waggy

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just another nutcase. whyt hey interview or give them publicity is beyond me
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it.
Imagine a bloodless coup

And Iraqis with open arms! That a coup would be bloodless is some ill conceived fantasy. The notion alone seems dangerous. The nicer you make something sound, the easier it?ll be to support it.

I can only conclude that this is advocacy for it.

That's my feeling as well, I can almost sense this guy's heart getting all bubbly just at the thought of it.

That this guy and people like him hold themselves up as the "ultimate Patriotic Americans" just shows how truly deranged they are.
 

sandorski

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The Banana Republicans are coming out of the closet?

"The Obama Problem" seems to be Nutcases running around screaming with arms flailing in the air.
 

69Mach1

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This very idea scares the crap out of me, and I'll be the first to say I disagree with most of the current Administrations policies. Once this happens, then the democratic process could be overturned on anyone that the military disagrees with, not a good thing in my worldview. I don't like the current President or his cabinet, but they were duly elected and we're stuck with them until the next election. I don't want anyone thinking that they know better than the people what they want or need. As long as they were elected fairly, I will support their right to govern until they're voted out. Even as I reserve the right to oppose them in every legal way when they're trying to govern in a way I don't agree with. Once we start trying to overturn the will of the people by force, we're doomed.
 

her209

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The military is all-knowing, all-powerful, and knows what's in our best interest. If you do not worship them, then you are not doing so in your interest.
 

jonks

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Tom Friedman's column:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09...tXcchVE1rqp3xCIYEUZIXg

I was in Israel interviewing Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin just before he was assassinated in 1995. I remember the ugly mood in Israel then ? a mood in which extreme right-wing settlers and politicians were doing all they could to delegitimize Rabin, who was committed to trading land for peace as part of the Oslo accords. They questioned his authority. They accused him of treason. They created pictures depicting him as a Nazi SS officer, and they shouted death threats at rallies. His political opponents winked at it all.

And in so doing they created a poisonous political environment that was interpreted by one right-wing Jewish nationalist as a license to kill Rabin ? he must have heard, ?God will be on your side? ? and so he did.

Response by Michael Steele?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27743.html
Where do these nut jobs come from? I?m sorry, but if you?re going to approach this discussion, approach it from a rational position, you?re saying because you disagree with the president on policy, that all of a sudden we?re going to make this leap into, you know, assassinations and all this other stuff

Guess Steele hadn't heard about the Facebook poll, the armed protesters at rallies calling for watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants, or the 400% increase in presidential death threats.

Sounds like he's winking at it all.
 
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Skilled, military-trained nation-builders... Like the skilled, military-trained nation-builders who are responsible for the great nation of Iraq? What a bastion of freedom and liberty that place has become...

Advocating military overthrow of the government just because your side didn't win the election is being a sore loser on an embarrassingly grand scale.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Harvey
The author needs to put down the crack pipe. :roll:

Acxtually it`s not just the author...it`s anyone who would even consider this as an option...including the Op for posting this nonesense!!
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: ayabe
"There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the "Obama problem." Don't dismiss it as unrealistic.

America isn't the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it.

[...]

Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a "family intervention," with some form of limited, shared responsibility?

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don't shrug and say, "We can always worry about that later."

In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass."

MediaMatters


Unfortunately, the full article isn't available and has been removed from Newsmax, which issued this statement:

"Newsmax strongly believes in the principles of Constitutional government and would never advocate or insinuate any suggestion of an activity that would undermine our democracy or democratic institutions."

Good for them I guess, but they shouldn't have published it in the first place, sloppy editing for sure.

I cannot for the life of me understand why this guy and the fringe who agree with are behaving like cornered animals. Just because the US isn't a third world country doesn't mean that a military junta or something similar would be a solution to anything. We have to suspend the Constitution in order to save it!!! I can't think of anything more unconstitutional or un-American than that frankly.

Obama is simultaneously being lambasted for being a radical leftist who's destroying the county and for doing "nothing". Those are mutually exclusive are they not?

yeah and George Bush really screwed this country up royally.....
It takes somebody like Obama who loves and cares for this country and who is willing to
take the criticism day in and day out while trying to turn things around.....
 

JS80

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The only way I see a coup happening is if Texas secedes and Obama sends in US military. I say 33% chance of the forces landing in TX shaking hands with the Texas militia and conducting a coup.
 

sandorski

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You don't need to worry about the Military. It's the Uber Patriot types who think they know it all and no one else cares about the Nation as much as them. Every little thing that doesn't line up squarely with their Ideas is some sort of major failure bound to destroy America(or other Nation). They're the ones you need to worry about and they are the ones making the most noise recently. Obama is likely fairly Safe, but more of these loose cannons are bound to go off in some Random location and take completely unsuspecting and Innocent people with them. It has already happened, I suspect it will happen again, at least once, hopefully not much more than that.

In a Democratic based Electoral system, somebody always Loses. Part of Losing an Election is to accept that Loss and move on with Life. If you can't, you're missing the point and a few Brain Cells.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: JS80
The only way I see a coup happening is if Texas secedes and Obama sends in US military. I say 33% chance of the forces landing in TX shaking hands with the Texas militia and conducting a coup.

Hahaha, no. Have you ever been in the military? People from Texas make up about 1 out of every 9 or so people.

There's a 1/3 chance that 11% of the military will cause the remainder to desert and overthrow the federal government? What moon logic are you using? Haha, half the people I knew in the military would probably volunteer to go down and kick Texas' ass a second time.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: JS80
The only way I see a coup happening is if Texas secedes and Obama sends in US military. I say 33% chance of the forces landing in TX shaking hands with the Texas militia and conducting a coup.

Unit, Core, God, Texas, Country?
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Skilled, military-trained nation-builders... Like the skilled, military-trained nation-builders who are responsible for the great nation of Iraq? What a bastion of freedom and liberty that place has become...

Hey, don't jump on the military "nation builders," they have been effective under very difficult conditions. You can't transform a country that has a very long history of totalitarianism and oppression while still facing armed resistance and inimical external agitation in just a few years.

As a result of the efforts of military civil affairs units and, maybe less effectively, the State Department's Provincial Reconstruction Teams, Iraq has managed to conduct multiple universal plebiscites, has achieved some measure of economic stability and is now one of only two democracies (the other is Israel) in a region dominated by theocracies and autocracies.

Here are a couple of references that you can check out to gain at least a bit of understanding of the work that was done and continues in a very difficult arena -

Tal Afar and Ar Ramadi: Grass Roots Reconstruction - Captain Chad M. Pillai, U.S. Army

Learning Counterinsurgency: Observations from Soldiering in Iraq - Lieutenant General David H. Petraeus, U.S. Army
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Harvey
The author needs to put down the crack pipe. :roll:
And then the meth and the speed. This is a ridiculous hypothesis at this point, completely retarded.

 

Lemon law

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Countless nations copied the US constitution and failed when a military coup resulted instead.

I can't per say rule out that same fate happening to the USA, but it will be the end of the USA if it ever happens.

But so what, we have freedom of speech and some columnist made a few bucks writing irresponsible drivel while putting lipstick on a total turd of an idea. Our founding fathers were totally dedicated to the separation of church and State and keeping the military under control of the civilian government. Its worked to our benefit for 220 years and the alternatives scare the hell out of me.

And its time, on this very thread, to say it will happen over our dead bodies.