Columbus was a murderer.

[Eli]

I thought everybody knew this.

Do you really think he came over here and had Pumpkin Pie with the natives?

Riiight.

Originally posted by: dtyn
Well, he has a point. What Hitler did was an attrocity, but it pales in comparison to what the Spaniards did with the Inquisition and the Conquest of the Americas. Though Colombus was involved in the enslaving and killing of Native Americans (who really aren't native to America, funny huh?), and he was not the first to discover the Americas, he still made an important stride to the colonization of the Americas.

What? :|

If you think of the Aztecs, Mayans and Incas when you think of "Native American", you are in sore need of some schooling.

Why would their numbers be declining? I have NEVER heard such a thing. I have also never heard "Aztec", "Mayan", or "Inca" when referring to the Native Americans. Aren't they tribes from Mexico and south?

 

[Zee]

so is that why colleges dont celebrate/take a break on columbus day? Because he was a genocidal, raping, nazi businessman?

 

Great post, I always wondered the same thing when we studied it in school.
I remember asking the teacher, after hearing about all the evil things he did, why we have a national holiday for him.
"Because he discovered America"


"Bullshit, the Indians discovered America".

 

[shimsham]

werent all conqueres/explorers somewhat murderous? seems the nature of that business to me.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: shimsham
werent all conqueres/explorers somewhat murderous? seems the nature of that business to me.

Indeed. It is just sad that we are taught lies in school.

If any of you have a shred of decency, you will realize what we did to the Native Americans was WRONG. Plain and simple, no doubt about it.

But I guess it's OK when it benefits us.

Our history makes me fscking sick. :|

 

[PunDogg]

Originally posted by: dtyn
Well, he has a point. What Hitler did was an attrocity, but it pales in comparison to what the Spaniards did with the Inquisition and the Conquest of the Americas. Though Colombus was involved in the enslaving and killing of Native Americans (who really aren't native to America, funny huh?), and he was not the first to discover the Americas, he still made an important stride to the colonization of the Americas.

yeah i agree, and the reason Hitler is more "hated" is because we actually have pics and videos and first hand accounts of what Hitler did, whereas what columbus did is dead and buried all we have are some artifacts.

Dogg

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: shimsham
werent all conqueres/explorers somewhat murderous? seems the nature of that business to me.

Indeed. It is just sad that we are taught lies in school.

really? we were taught of the killing for gold, spread of disease, and basic raping and pillaging that took place.

 

[Zee]

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: shimsham
werent all conqueres/explorers somewhat murderous? seems the nature of that business to me.

Indeed. It is just sad that we are taught lies in school.

really? we were taught of the killing for gold, spread of disease, and basic raping and pillaging that took place.

yeah they made us read "last of the Mohicans" on top of that too

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Lazee

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: shimsham
werent all conqueres/explorers somewhat murderous? seems the nature of that business to me.

Indeed. It is just sad that we are taught lies in school.

really? we were taught of the killing for gold, spread of disease, and basic raping and pillaging that took place.

yeah they made us read "last of the Mohicans" on top of that too

I don't know what school you went to, but I was certainly not taught about raping and pillaging and the spread of smallpox.

That is exactly what they DIDN'T tell us. They make it sound all rosey, the indians helping them...

 

[Eli]

My girlfriend and I are from the Northwest. We probably have the highest "concentration" of Natives left in the whole US.

The stories are only a generation or two old. I have known Natives, and my girlfriend and her family have known many more(being from Washington). It's sick, sick, sick.

What we did was horrible. Even our government admits it.

(yes, this is a DP disguised as a post)

 

[Mustangrrl]

Eli, mayas, incas, et al are indigenous North Americans just like cherokee, navajo, etc. The only difference between the natives of Mexico and the natives of the US is that one was pillaged by Spanish speaking Euros and the other English speaking :disgust:

 

[Vic]

I don't see how Columbus is responsible for all the actions of others who followed after him. Sooner or later someone from Europe was going to bump into the American continents.

 

[Sid59]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Captain Obvious and his two sergeants checking in to this thread.

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
I've read that the Native Americans were on the verge of exterminating themselves.

That is true, the Mayas had already been rubbed out of history, the Aztecs were headed that way, though the Incas may have survived.

A current theory is that the Mayans dies from a massive drought. There is a rainy season and a not rainy season down there. During the not rainy season there is enough water for a small bands of people to live on, but when you have a civilization with a massive population you need other means of supplying water during the dry spells. The way the Mayans did this was with the use of huge water storage basins, almost artificial lakes. They would fill up during the rainy season and supply water for the rest of the year.

Recent soil samples from lake bottoms in the region have confirmed that there was a 7-10 year drought about the time that Mayan civilization fell. It was severe enought that they think thay ran out of water, killing most of the people in the cities.

So as for being "on the verge of exterminating themselves" I think your theory needs a bit of work. Mother nature took a helping hand.

link
google

 

[BeauJangles]

I think one thing to keep in mind is that, although the Spanish did have EVERY intention of colonizing the new world, destroying it's empires and enslaving many of it's people, much of the "genocide" was accidental. Most of the death that came surrounding Columbus' landing was from the diseases they carried. Much of the death in the New World came from European disease.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Great. Nothing is more productive than dredging up stuff that happened over 500 years ago.

 

[RossGr]

Originally posted by: Eli
My girlfriend and I are from the Northwest. We probably have the highest "concentration" of Natives left in the whole US.

The stories are only a generation or two old. I have known Natives, and my girlfriend and her family have known many more(being from Washington). It's sick, sick, sick.

What we did was horrible. Even our government admits it.

(yes, this is a DP disguised as a post)

Glad someone finally said something about this. Columbus merely set the standards. The US govt. and citizens completed the deed. The elimination of the Native American cultures is perhaps the single most complete case of genocide in the history of mankind. While we cannot undo the evil deeds, we can at least recognize that it happened. My wife, being part Cherokee, had ancestors walking the trail of tears. I am totally of European descent, I had ancestors at Sand Creek, guess who takes more pride in their forefathers?

What the Europeans did in the settling of North America was criminal, but it was a vastly different culture then, then now, any judgment we make is a cultural judgment and are therefore invalid. We must learn to live with what now must be considered the crimes of our fore bearers. Unfortunately there is no undoing the past.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Many Americans celebrate C Day because they are simple minded and phrases "Santa Maria" interest them.

Columbus was a business man= bad man.

All business men are bad?

I guess Ayn Rand was right:

"Every movement that seeks to enslave a country, every dictatorship or potential dictatorship, needs some minority group as a scapegoat which it can blame for the nation's troubles and use as a justification of its own demand for dictatorial powers. In Soviet Russia, the scapegoat was the bourgeoisie; in Nazi Germany, it was the Jewish people; in America, it is the businessmen."

As a businessman, how often were you put into jail, your family members executed, or they sent to a gulag? Ridiculous comparison.

Not all businessmen are bad. That was silly. Rand is silly too.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: Eli
I thought everybody knew this.

Do you really think he came over here and had Pumpkin Pie with the natives?

Riiight.

Originally posted by: dtyn
Well, he has a point. What Hitler did was an attrocity, but it pales in comparison to what the Spaniards did with the Inquisition and the Conquest of the Americas. Though Colombus was involved in the enslaving and killing of Native Americans (who really aren't native to America, funny huh?), and he was not the first to discover the Americas, he still made an important stride to the colonization of the Americas.

What? :|

If you think of the Aztecs, Mayans and Incas when you think of "Native American", you are in sore need of some schooling.

Why would their numbers be declining? I have NEVER heard such a thing. I have also never heard "Aztec", "Mayan", or "Inca" when referring to the Native Americans. Aren't they tribes from Mexico and south?

I wasn't refering to the Aztec, Mayans, and Incas as Native Americans, though they are decendants of the orginial people who came across the Beiring Straight. By stating Native Americans, I was refering to the people who are commonly refered to as Native Americans, and I meant to say Columbus' "discovery" led to the killing of Native Americans. The Native Americans aren't native to America. We all know that they migrated from the Asian continent. They're as native to America as you or I, except their ancestors came a bit earlier than ours. And for all of you who don't believe that the tribes of Central and South America were in constant warring with each other, and decreasing in population, due to natural causes or else, are morons, and should probably take a history class at your college.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: Kyteland

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
I've read that the Native Americans were on the verge of exterminating themselves.

That is true, the Mayas had already been rubbed out of history, the Aztecs were headed that way, though the Incas may have survived.

A current theory is that the Mayans dies from a massive drought. There is a rainy season and a not rainy season down there. During the not rainy season there is enough water for a small bands of people to live on, but when you have a civilization with a massive population you need other means of supplying water during the dry spells. The way the Mayans did this was with the use of huge water storage basins, almost artificial lakes. They would fill up during the rainy season and supply water for the rest of the year.

Recent soil samples from lake bottoms in the region have confirmed that there was a 7-10 year drought about the time that Mayan civilization fell. It was severe enought that they think thay ran out of water, killing most of the people in the cities.

So as for being "on the verge of exterminating themselves" I think your theory needs a bit of work. Mother nature took a helping hand.

link
google

Whether the causes were from nature, or from human, does not matter. They were dying out, that is a proven fact.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
I've read that the Native Americans were on the verge of exterminating themselves.

That is true, the Mayas had already been rubbed out of history, the Aztecs were headed that way, though the Incas may have survived.

You need to read your history. Here's the first lesson.

And yet, the Mayan civilization had died out between 1400-1500. All that was left was rag-tag bands of Mayans, not unlike barbarian tribes. It is impossible to exterminate EVERY SINGLE decendant of a Mayan, and thus Mayans will always be around; however, the Mayan civilization died out a long time ago.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: Eli
I thought everybody knew this.

Do you really think he came over here and had Pumpkin Pie with the natives?

Riiight.

Originally posted by: dtyn
Well, he has a point. What Hitler did was an attrocity, but it pales in comparison to what the Spaniards did with the Inquisition and the Conquest of the Americas. Though Colombus was involved in the enslaving and killing of Native Americans (who really aren't native to America, funny huh?), and he was not the first to discover the Americas, he still made an important stride to the colonization of the Americas.

What? :|

If you think of the Aztecs, Mayans and Incas when you think of "Native American", you are in sore need of some schooling.

Why would their numbers be declining? I have NEVER heard such a thing. I have also never heard "Aztec", "Mayan", or "Inca" when referring to the Native Americans. Aren't they tribes from Mexico and south?

I wasn't refering to the Aztec, Mayans, and Incas as Native Americans, though they are decendants of the orginial people who came across the Beiring Straight. By stating Native Americans, I was refering to the people who are commonly refered to as Native Americans, and I meant to say Columbus' "discovery" led to the killing of Native Americans. The Native Americans aren't native to America. We all know that they migrated from the Asian continent. They're as native to America as you or I, except their ancestors came a bit earlier than ours. And for all of you who don't believe that the tribes of Central and South America were in constant warring with each other, and decreasing in population, due to natural causes or else, are morons, and should probably take a history class at your college.

No, I know about the problems that the Central and South American tribes had. I was referring to the tribes a little closer to home.

Well. I see what you were saying. But it doesen't make it right. Were there people here before they came over the Beiring Straight? If not, it is not comparable. If there was, and they were erradicated.. well, I guess that's the way things go. But that doesen't mean what we did was right.

Instead of nearly completely wiping their culture out, we should've learned to live with them.

 

[TMPadmin]

Started reading this then got bored with the endless BS people are throwing around. But I just had to post something.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: Eli
No, I know about the problems that the Central and South American tribes had. I was referring to the tribes a little closer to home.

Well. I see what you were saying. But it doesen't make it right. Were there people here before they came over the Beiring Straight? If not, it is not comparable. If there was, and they were erradicated.. well, I guess that's the way things go. But that doesen't mean what we did was right.

Instead of nearly completely wiping their culture out, we should've learned to live with them.

I never advocated what we did. In fact, I think we were flat out moronic for doing so. I was just stating what happened. And many of those in the historical field do not believe the American continent was populated before the crossing of the Beiring Straight.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: Eli
No, I know about the problems that the Central and South American tribes had. I was referring to the tribes a little closer to home.

Well. I see what you were saying. But it doesen't make it right. Were there people here before they came over the Beiring Straight? If not, it is not comparable. If there was, and they were erradicated.. well, I guess that's the way things go. But that doesen't mean what we did was right.

Instead of nearly completely wiping their culture out, we should've learned to live with them.

I never advocated what we did. In fact, I think we were flat out moronic for doing so. I was just stating what happened. And many of those in the historical field do not believe the American continent was populated before the crossing of the Beiring Straight.

Yeah. I understand.