Colts thought Patriots bugged the locker room of opposing teams

[BUTCH1]

Well then, according to a "source", your mother is a whore. :hmm:

LOL, like any team actually involved with "bugging" the visiting teams locker room would tell any player that was going on. Players enjoy free agency these days, me thinks coaches around the league realize that some of their players will be playing for a different team next year. Here's a link with Rodney Harrison's take, he thinks (and I agree) Dungy should be embarrassed to make baseless accusations and he notes, "Peyton changes the call at the LOS anyway, what good would "bugging" him do anyway" and that "we just banged their receivers around and wait for PM to make a bad throw and he usually did", link..

 

[Phokus]

You also know that Marshall Faulk and Kurk Warner also accuse the Pats of cheating back in the day? It's funny how everyone is out to get poor ol' Tom and Bill.

The kicker for me is that every time I see Manning, I'm like, that's a great guy and he seems genuine. He loves the game and he does it the right way. When I see a Bill or Tom talk? I think of epic douce nozzles who will do anything, and everything, to win and look good at all cost. It's a character thing. I don't need proof to form an opinion, but as time goes on and more details come out....

I'll concede that the Pats had some good teams, but they cheated, more than once, and there wasn't even a need for it. They're basically the Alex Rodriguez and Barry Bonds of football.

Oh really, what did kurt and marshall accuse the Pats of doing again?

 

[BUTCH1]

His original links were to an ESPN report on the Pats taping signals at the 2007 Superbowl and someone who said other teams were filming the Pats. Well, it said they were using a telescope. Which is what I respond to.


Starting to think Pats fans are completely illiterate and unable to follow a conversation. Sorta funny watching you guys defend them so hard. It's a game, get over it.

Oh no, we follow the conversation quite well and it invariably leads to players/teams who have lost to the Pats who love to sling shit that their loss was due to NE "cheating", I find it rather amusing.

 

[BUTCH1]

Oh really, what did kurt and marshall accuse the Pats of doing again?

Marshall will howl (to anyone who will listen anymore) that the Pat's "had" to have cheated to play defense that well. "We ran brand new plays and it seemed like they already knew what we were doing"..Gee, maybe your offensive Q underestimated the quality of the competition, plus the Ref's (as usual) do not throw many PI flags or offensive holding calls either for that matter. Ask as how we know when big Seymour had Eli by the jersey and was about to drop him for a sack when he was tackled from behind enabling Eli to slip away and hurl up the "helmet catch".

 

[Capt Caveman]

His original links were to an ESPN report on the Pats taping signals at the 2007 Superbowl and someone who said other teams were filming the Pats. Well, it said they were using a telescope. Which is what I respond to.


Starting to think Pats fans are completely illiterate and unable to follow a conversation. Sorta funny watching you guys defend them so hard. It's a game, get over it.

OMG!!!! The Patriots were taping signals in that SB too? Oh wait, they've gone from filming a walk thru of the 2002 SB to taping a reg season Jets game to now taping the signals at the 2007 SB? Keep on posting, you're hilarious!!!

Oh from your link:

Videotaping opposing coaches is not illegal in the NFL but there are designated areas allowed by the league to do such taping. The Patriots were videotaping the Jets' coaches from their own sideline which is not allowed.

If NE had just taped the game from up above and not from the sidelines, they would have been fine. Seriously, thanks for the laughs!

And let me guess, you still believe the Chris Mortensen initial report on Deflategate even though he's since retracted it after being proven incorrect, right?

 

[LikeLinus]

OMG!!!! The Patriots were taping signals in that SB too? Oh wait, they've gone from filming a walk thru of the 2002 SB to taping a reg season Jets game to now taping the signals at the 2007 SB? Keep on posting, you're hilarious!!!

Oh from your link:



If NE had just taped the game from up above and not from the sidelines, they would have been fine. Seriously, thanks for the laughs!

And let me guess, you still believe the Chris Mortensen initial report on Deflategate even though he's since retracted it after being proven incorrect, right?

2007 was Typo. I was referring your article from 2008 regarding the 2002 report.

 

[LikeLinus]

Oh really, what did kurt and marshall accuse the Pats of doing again?

It goes back years ago.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...icious-patriots-deflategate-article-1.2094128


http://www.si.com/si-wire/2013/01/30/marshall-faulk-patriots-cheated-rams-super-bowl

Basic overview

"2002: Marshall Faulk claims Patriots cheated Rams out of Super Bowl win

Tom Brady won his first championship with the Patriots at Super Bowl XXXVI against the Rams, and Hall of Fame running back Marshall Faulk was the first person ever to call out Belichick for having just a little too much intel ahead of the game. He said,

I understand Bill is a great coach. But No. 13 [Kurt Warner] will tell you. Mike Martz will tell you. We had some plays in the red zone that we hadn’t ran.

And a couple of plays on third down that we walked through also. And they created a check for it. It’s just little things like that.

It’s either the best coaching in the world when you come up with situations that you had never seen before. Or you’d seen it and knew what to do."



It's funny that Pats fans consider everyone else the liar. New England Bill Cosbys?

 

[BUTCH1]

It goes back years ago.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...icious-patriots-deflategate-article-1.2094128


http://www.si.com/si-wire/2013/01/30/marshall-faulk-patriots-cheated-rams-super-bowl

Basic overview

"2002: Marshall Faulk claims Patriots cheated Rams out of Super Bowl win

Tom Brady won his first championship with the Patriots at Super Bowl XXXVI against the Rams, and Hall of Fame running back Marshall Faulk was the first person ever to call out Belichick for having just a little too much intel ahead of the game. He said,

I understand Bill is a great coach. But No. 13 [Kurt Warner] will tell you. Mike Martz will tell you. We had some plays in the red zone that we hadn’t ran.

And a couple of plays on third down that we walked through also. And they created a check for it. It’s just little things like that.

It’s either the best coaching in the world when you come up with situations that you had never seen before. Or you’d seen it and knew what to do."



It's funny that Pats fans consider everyone else the liar. New England Bill Cosbys?

Here's some of Kurt's dialog,
""Since that scandal, I don't know if they've won a Super Bowl," Warner said, knowing full well that the Patriots have lost both Super Bowls since SpyGate. "So you sit back and go, 'Well, was it because of any advantage they got?' I think it's unfortunate. Unfortunate for him. Unfortunate for our league. Unfortunate for historians who love the game and love great coaches. Because we don't know"

Gee Kurt, they did go 18-0 to get to one of the 2 SB's they lost to the Giants, they have also compiled one of if not the best W/L % since then as well. Part of that was crappy competition in the AFC east but I don't get his point. Both of the Giants games were close and either team could have won (exactly like the last SB). fact of the matter was the Giants had the goods to slow Brady's offense to a crawl with a pass rush that resulted in multiple sack's, hurried throws or Brady just chucking it in someone's area to avoid another sack. So Kurt, if Welker makes that catch (which would have sealed the 2nd game) are you saying that the Pat's win against your team would have been more legit?. Kurt and Marshall are entitled to their opinion's but without a single shred of credible proof they both come off as wining snot-bags. They faced perhaps the best defensive-minded coach in the history of the game and lost, they didn't try to run Faulk more even though the Ref's were allowing DB's aggressive play disrupting your timing routes but no, "they cheated" is why we lost. Sometimes coaches under intense pressure of a one game winner-take-all situation can make bad decisions as well, BB going for a 4th and 13 instead of trying a 48yrd FG against a team that had been smashing your franchise QB all game long, bad idea, they lost the game by 3. Carrol calling for a pass into traffic with BM in the back-field, bad idea, his own hubris got in the way, "hey, watch here as I let the QB I PICKED out-Brady Brady and get him the game MVP", bad idea. I just have zero respect for losers that wine and find excuses. Shoot, if you watch the re-play of the "helmet-catch" Seymour has Eli's jersey and is about to finish him off for a sack when he's tackled from behind enabling Eli's escape and throw, did ANY Patriot player wine to the media that they were "robbed" by the Ref's in perhaps one of if not the biggest game in history?, nope, not a single one did. It's called "class" and losers who wine tend to have zero of that quality.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

There is so much money in pro sports these days, why would anyone assume that not a single team would do this? I 100% totally believe that if the patriots did not do this, that another team did. Do people realize how much money is at stake?

 

[Phokus]

It goes back years ago.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...icious-patriots-deflategate-article-1.2094128


http://www.si.com/si-wire/2013/01/30/marshall-faulk-patriots-cheated-rams-super-bowl

Basic overview

"2002: Marshall Faulk claims Patriots cheated Rams out of Super Bowl win

Tom Brady won his first championship with the Patriots at Super Bowl XXXVI against the Rams, and Hall of Fame running back Marshall Faulk was the first person ever to call out Belichick for having just a little too much intel ahead of the game. He said,

I understand Bill is a great coach. But No. 13 [Kurt Warner] will tell you. Mike Martz will tell you. We had some plays in the red zone that we hadn’t ran.

And a couple of plays on third down that we walked through also. And they created a check for it. It’s just little things like that.

It’s either the best coaching in the world when you come up with situations that you had never seen before. Or you’d seen it and knew what to do."



It's funny that Pats fans consider everyone else the liar. New England Bill Cosbys?

Oh, so basically you/Marshall Faulk/Kurt Warner are using a discredited cheating scandal (videotaping the Ram's practice) that both the Boston Herald and ESPN had to apologize to the Patriots for because there's no evidence for. Gotcha.

This is a better article... it's about people like you:

http://ryan-sawtelle.squarespace.co...son-you-hate-the-patriots-is-because-they-win

 

[LikeLinus]

Oh, so basically you/Marshall Faulk/Kurt Warner are using a discredited cheating scandal (videotaping the Ram's practice) that both the Boston Herald and ESPN had to apologize to the Patriots for because there's no evidence for. Gotcha.

This is a better article... it's about people like you:

http://ryan-sawtelle.squarespace.co...son-you-hate-the-patriots-is-because-they-win

Lol you asked a question and I provided the proof. I never said anything, not sure why you're including me in their comments. You implied I was lying with the "oh really". I proved it and now you want to backtrack and make it out to be nothing.

People like me? You don't even know me buddy. It's a fucking game and watching you NE idiots fans whine about your stupid heroes is hilarious.

They've been caught cheating multiple times. Spin the truth however you like. Anyone outside of NE with an IQ over 10 knows damn well Bill and Tom probably bend every rule they can to get an advantage. Hell, a lot of teams do. Get over it, grow up and move on with life. You seem to think cheating stops at the NCAA level. Lol

 

[Phokus]

Lol you asked a question and I provided the proof. I never said anything, not sure why you're including me in their comments. You implied I was lying with the "oh really". I proved it and now you want to backtrack and make it out to be nothing.

People like me? You don't even know me buddy. It's a fucking game and watching you NE idiots fans whine about your stupid heroes is hilarious.

They've been caught cheating multiple times. Spin the truth however you like. Anyone outside of NE with an IQ over 10 knows damn well Bill and Tom probably bend every rule they can to get an advantage. Hell, a lot of teams do. Get over it, grow up and move on with life. You seem to think cheating stops at the NCAA level. Lol

lol, 'multiple times'.

 

[waggy]

I can only hope the cheer leader shower room was also bugged.

and they put a live stream on. or leak out the video..

 

[LikeLinus]

lol, 'multiple times'.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3408450

I can keep digging, but it's not worth it. Denial is a bitch,

My original point and comment was that Bill and Tom give off the biggest dough vibe. They both seem like they would do anything to win and look good. It's an ego thing and they just represent themselves poorly. Has nothing to do with hating the Pats. I could not care less. I find it funny all the fans defending him to the last yard. Lol naive

 

[BUTCH1]

Lol you asked a question and I provided the proof. I never said anything, not sure why you're including me in their comments. You implied I was lying with the "oh really". I proved it and now you want to backtrack and make it out to be nothing.

People like me? You don't even know me buddy. It's a fucking game and watching you NE idiots fans whine about your stupid heroes is hilarious.

They've been caught cheating multiple times. Spin the truth however you like. Anyone outside of NE with an IQ over 10 knows damn well Bill and Tom probably bend every rule they can to get an advantage. Hell, a lot of teams do. Get over it, grow up and move on with life. You seem to think cheating stops at the NCAA level. Lol

Well at least that's one of your more rational post's. I, for one, have been on record in the Brady thread as finding the text's to be very damming and very stupid for a QB in Brady's situation to be involved in any way, shape, or form. All I would ask of the league is to be fair and consistent when they uncover something, the Pat's deserved a hefty fine but that's about it. Goodell should saved the heavy ordinance for something serious, not .4lb of PSI. The releasing of the appeal's transcript has revealed so much crap even those who don't like the Pat's or Brady are pulling for him at this point. A poll of 100 NFL players revealed 80% thought Brady knew of something and 88% thought that a 4-gamer and comparing it to "PED usage" was waaaay over the top.

 

[LikeLinus]

Here is the problem. Is the deflategate thing overblown and stupid. Yes. But the problem is, a rule is a rule! If all theses QBs have suck a problem with the current inflation of the footballs, why not being it up to the players union and have them discuss it with the NFL as a rule,change. Just because you don't like a rule, doesn't mean you can break it. Regardless if it's completely stupid or not.

I'm sure there are rules at all of our jobs that are idiotic. But we don't cross that line because we don't want to be fired.

But all teams will use every advantage and bend the rules as much as possible. It's a multi-billion dollar industry and everyone wants to win. It happens and most don't get caught.

The other problem is the Pats are going to be under a microscope for a long time now. They should know better and not be circumventing the rules in a championship game. It's silly and now they're getting their wrist slapped for it. It's going to be harsh because the NFL has enough black eyes, as is, and it's all damage control at this point.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Here is the problem. Is the deflategate thing overblown and stupid. Yes. But the problem is, a rule is a rule! If all theses QBs have suck a problem with the current inflation of the footballs, why not being it up to the players union and have them discuss it with the NFL as a rule,change. Just because you don't like a rule, doesn't mean you can break it. Regardless if it's completely stupid or not.

I'm sure there are rules at all of our jobs that are idiotic. But we don't cross that line because we don't want to be fired.

But all teams will use every advantage and bend the rules as much as possible. It's a multi-billion dollar industry and everyone wants to win. It happens and most don't get caught.

The other problem is the Pats are going to be under a microscope for a long time now. They should know better and not be circumventing the rules in a championship game. It's silly and now they're getting their wrist slapped for it. It's going to be harsh because the NFL has enough black eyes, as is, and it's all damage control at this point.

Yet, there is still no proof that they did anything. But you're okay with the Panthers and Vikings heating their footballs in the middle of a game and the NFL only giving them a warning. And that 3 out of the 4 Indy balls in that game were out of regulation PSI range but Indy wasn't cheating right? Or that Brett Favre refused to provide his cell phone in a NFL investigation but was only fined. Or the Jets kicker and employee caught tampering with the PK footballs and only the employee was suspended, not the kicker or the team received any penalties. Not sure if you're just a troll of this ignorant b/c I know you didn't even know about these actual(not allegations) rule violations b/c then you wouldn't be posting such stupidity.

You're like that other retard here that posts accusations but no proof and if someone posts other accusations about other teams, you ignore those. Only accusations against NE are true. Keep on posting, it's hilarious. It would be one thing if you knew what you're talking about or knew much about football but it's quite obvious that you do not.

 

[BUTCH1]

Here is the problem. Is the deflategate thing overblown and stupid. Yes. But the problem is, a rule is a rule! If all theses QBs have suck a problem with the current inflation of the footballs, why not being it up to the players union and have them discuss it with the NFL as a rule,change. Just because you don't like a rule, doesn't mean you can break it. Regardless if it's completely stupid or not.

I'm sure there are rules at all of our jobs that are idiotic. But we don't cross that line because we don't want to be fired.

But all teams will use every advantage and bend the rules as much as possible. It's a multi-billion dollar industry and everyone wants to win. It happens and most don't get caught.

The other problem is the Pats are going to be under a microscope for a long time now. They should know better and not be circumventing the rules in a championship game. It's silly and now they're getting their wrist slapped for it. It's going to be harsh because the NFL has enough black eyes, as is, and it's all damage control at this point.

All true but after reading the pressures at halftime and noting that even 3/4 colt's balls were below 12.5 the NFL should have concluded that it needed to investigate how weather is affecting ball pressure rather then spending $5 mil on a very shaky investigation.

 

[LikeLinus]

Yet, there is still no proof that they did anything. But you're okay with the Panthers and Vikings heating their footballs in the middle of a game and the NFL only giving them a warning. And that 3 out of the 4 Indy balls in that game were out of regulation PSI range but Indy wasn't cheating right? Or that Brett Favre refused to provide his cell phone in a NFL investigation but was only fined. Or the Jets kicker and employee caught tampering with the PK footballs and only the employee was suspended, not the kicker or the team received any penalties. Not sure if you're just a troll of this ignorant b/c I know you didn't even know about these actual(not allegations) rule violations b/c then you wouldn't be posting such stupidity.

You're like that other retard here that posts accusations but no proof and if someone posts other accusations about other teams, you ignore those. Only accusations against NE are true. Keep on posting, it's hilarious. It would be one thing if you knew what you're talking about or knew much about football but it's quite obvious that you do not.

There are other factors that go into each case. You cannot sit around saying "yeah, mommy, but billy pulled a kids hair the other day, so I shouldn't be punished". Each violation is dealt with on an individual basis. So bring up as much crap as you want to defend your position, but it doesn't change the facts in this position.

Also, I never said only NE accusations are true. God, I'm tired of the completely illiterate NE assholes. I said every team does it! pats just keep getting caught because they are under a microscope and they're idiots for continuing to violate the rules.

 

[BUTCH1]

There are other factors that go into each case. You cannot sit around saying "yeah, mommy, but billy pulled a kids hair the other day, so I shouldn't be punished". Each violation is dealt with on an individual basis. So bring up as much crap as you want to defend your position, but it doesn't change the facts in this position.

Also, I never said only NE accusations are true. God, I'm tired of the completely illiterate NE assholes. I said every team does it! pats just keep getting caught because they are under a microscope and they're idiots for continuing to violate the rules.

I actually agree here, why Brady (with his resume) would get involved in ANYTHING illegal is mind-boggling and then to exchange text's about it=head exploding!. Jesus TB12, you will always be my hero but you got really dumb on this one, you had to know the NFL front office is chock-full of ex-Jet personal and anything you do wrong will be 1000X made worse.