Colorado State University runs ?F**k Bush? editorial

[her209]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
It would be funny if the students decided to boycott the advertisers. Then they'd find out that showing support for a retard president is not "free".

That would be funny.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

It would be funny if the students decided to boycott the advertisers. Then they'd find out that showing support for a retard president is not "free".

That is a great idea.. I hope the Editor chooses to use his Free Speech rights to print that too

I would boycott them no matter what the cost

 

[ProfJohn]

No where in my post do I question the right of these guys to run their editorial.

All I did was point out the consequences for writing it. (And I questioned the connection between Bush and the UF student being tasered.)

BTW one of the advertisers who pulled their ads was the college bookstore, I suppose students could decide to boycott them, but not sure how wise that decision would be.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
No where in my post do I question the right of these guys to run their editorial.

All I did was point out the consequences for writing it. (And I questioned the connection between Bush and the UF student being tasered.)

BTW one of the advertisers who pulled their ads was the college bookstore, I suppose students could decide to boycott them, but not sure how wise that decision would be.

One of my professors told us that the Textbook market was a frigin scam anyways...

Since when did we need a 8th edition of Calculus? Has it changed? or do they just want/need to make more money off of students.

The damned bookstores aren't even owned by the college.. they are like a freaking 7-11 on the campus.. too bad the college allows them to be there

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
No where in my post do I question the right of these guys to run their editorial.

All I did was point out the consequences for writing it. (And I questioned the connection between Bush and the UF student being tasered.)

BTW one of the advertisers who pulled their ads was the college bookstore, I suppose students could decide to boycott them, but not sure how wise that decision would be.

Probably extremely wise. College bookstores are ripoffs. They could save tons of money by getting their books off of Amazon.com or one of a million other places. That, or they could just use the reserve textbooks at the library for free.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
No where in my post do I question the right of these guys to run their editorial.
...

Actually, that's exactly what you did. Or rather, you suggested they weren't unbiased journalists because they ran it.

 

[UberNeuman]

So, the moral of the story is : DON'T EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH!

/or else you'll get it!
//back to burning those books we don't like.....

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
So, the moral of the story is : DON'T EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH!

/or else you'll get it!
//back to burning those books we don't like.....

I think ProfJohn is being stupid, but there is a point that he managed to completely miss here. Free speech doesn't mean speech without consequences. If people want to get their panties in a bunch over your exercise of free speech and boycott your paper, that's their right. There is nothing that says your speech has to be popular, just that you have a right to it. That's the problem with free speech in the media right now. When media was not run as a pure profit business, free speech was exercised more. Now that they are trying to pay their bills, suddenly not rocking the boat becomes more important.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
So, the moral of the story is : DON'T EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH!

/or else you'll get it!
//back to burning those books we don't like.....

I think ProfJohn is being stupid, but there is a point that he managed to completely miss here. Free speech doesn't mean speech without consequences. If people want to get their panties in a bunch over your exercise of free speech and boycott your paper, that's their right. There is nothing that says your speech has to be popular, just that you have a right to it. That's the problem with free speech in the media right now. When media was not run as a pure profit business, free speech was exercised more. Now that they are trying to pay their bills, suddenly not rocking the boat becomes more important.

Oh, he gets it - and it's the underling threat he's espousing...

 

[umbrella39]

Political grandstanding?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Topic Title: Colorado State University runs ?F**k Bush? editorial
Topic Summary: Proves that free speech isn?t so free when they lose $30,000 in advertising

This attempt at political grandstanding by the Colorado State University student newspaper illustrates a few things.

If it cost them the publication it is worth it because it pisses off the radical righties.

Great job Colorado State :thumbsup:

 

[trenchfoot]

i find this thread quite useful for diverting attention away from all that luggage that holds all that dirty laundry and incriminating evidence that the bush admin and their once upon a time rubber stamp congress have been stashing away since they took office.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
So, the moral of the story is : DON'T EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH!

/or else you'll get it!
//back to burning those books we don't like.....

I think ProfJohn is being stupid, but there is a point that he managed to completely miss here. Free speech doesn't mean speech without consequences. If people want to get their panties in a bunch over your exercise of free speech and boycott your paper, that's their right. There is nothing that says your speech has to be popular, just that you have a right to it. That's the problem with free speech in the media right now. When media was not run as a pure profit business, free speech was exercised more. Now that they are trying to pay their bills, suddenly not rocking the boat becomes more important.

Oh, he gets it - and it's the underling threat he's espousing...

I am espousing no underlying threat. I don?t think this is about the word ?Bush? in the OP-ED it is about the word ?Fuck? in the OP-ED. You can?t run an editorial with the word ?fuck? in a 72 point font and not expect to some kind of reaction. Read the article that was exactly what they were looking for, a reaction. What they got was the wrong one though.

Also? the idiots that run this paper have no clue about the freedom of speech. They are somehow trying to imply that what happened at UF was about free speech, and it was not.
You have the freedom of speech, but you do NOT have the right to take over someone else?s forum. The school invited John Kerry to speak and offered students a chance to ask him question. This guy was offered a chance to ask a question, even after they said they would take no more questions, and instead of asking a question he launched into a speech about a stolen election, impeachment over a blow job etc etc.

Assuming this paper has a web site, how would they react if I hacked it and replaced all their content with content of my own? Would they proclaim that I have the right to free speech or would they demand that their web page be returned to their control?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I always find it odd when people disrespect a nation which affords them the right to hold that disrespect instead of killing them for it. Like biting the hand that feeds you, no?

Kind of like saying "We have freedom of speech here, just don't be such an ass as to use it".

Disrespecting Bush != disrespecting the nation. Just the opposite really.

The office of the Presidency used to be shown more respect than it currently does, no? I would have to be depraved indeed to devolve public discourse to nothing more useful than telling you or ?your? president to f**k off.

It is disrespectful no, and such uncivil discourse reflects on the nation.

Call me crazy, if I would prefer we keep to civil arguments and speech.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I always find it odd when people disrespect a nation which affords them the right to hold that disrespect instead of killing them for it. Like biting the hand that feeds you, no?

Kind of like saying "We have freedom of speech here, just don't be such an ass as to use it".

Disrespecting Bush != disrespecting the nation. Just the opposite really.

The office of the Presidency used to be shown more respect than it currently does, no?

Not really. Americans have always disparaged their presidents. As this particular president has proved impervious to all reason and any facts there is little point in communicating with him in anything else but expletives; he's just that damn stupid and arrogant.

 

[theeedude]

This and the moveon episode has convinced me that Republican party has no ideas on how to solve this country's problems and is only capable of lashing out at critics. They aren't talking about how to fix the mess they created, they are talking about ads or things written at the newspapers.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Assuming this paper has a web site, how would they react if I hacked it and replaced all their content with content of my own? Would they proclaim that I have the right to free speech or would they demand that their web page be returned to their control?

Apples and bananas...!

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: senseamp
This and the moveon episode has convinced me that Republican party has no ideas on how to solve this country's problems and is only capable of lashing out at critics. They aren't talking about how to fix the mess they created, they are talking about ads or things written at the newspapers.

umm which side has resorted to "Fuck Bush" ??

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: senseamp
This and the moveon episode has convinced me that Republican party has no ideas on how to solve this country's problems and is only capable of lashing out at critics. They aren't talking about how to fix the mess they created, they are talking about ads or things written at the newspapers.

umm which side has resorted to "Fuck Bush" ??

Ah, so one group of idiot students now represents an entire side. I guess Ann Coulter represents the entire right? Don't make me post her epithets and generally ridiculous antics here. At least I'm smart enough to know that Ann speaks her filth only to a fringe few, as moveon.org does for the left.

By getting your panties in a bunch, you're setting yourself up for defending the fringe wackos of the right as well. Can we just agree that both fringes should be rightfully marginalized, because they have nothing but vitriol to spew into the debate? It does us no good, and the only reason I can see for worrying about it is if you have literally nothing more important to talk about that some loons.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: senseamp
This and the moveon episode has convinced me that Republican party has no ideas on how to solve this country's problems and is only capable of lashing out at critics. They aren't talking about how to fix the mess they created, they are talking about ads or things written at the newspapers.

umm which side has resorted to "Fuck Bush" ??

It wouldn't make much sense for the Republicans to say "F Bush" but you could be the first. Give it a try. It just makes sense. It will make you feel better, unwind the cognitive dissonance you've got to be feeling. I know you're used to saying "... the Constitution" so just replace that phrase with "...Bush". It's easy.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: senseamp
This and the moveon episode has convinced me that Republican party has no ideas on how to solve this country's problems and is only capable of lashing out at critics. They aren't talking about how to fix the mess they created, they are talking about ads or things written at the newspapers.

umm which side has resorted to "Fuck Bush" ??

Both sides. It's only the imbeciles who don't think Bush is a total travesty. His approval ratings hit a record low on Friday. Score one for intelligence, but a mark against for the nearly 30% who still approve of that dumb monkey.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: senseamp
This and the moveon episode has convinced me that Republican party has no ideas on how to solve this country's problems and is only capable of lashing out at critics. They aren't talking about how to fix the mess they created, they are talking about ads or things written at the newspapers.

umm which side has resorted to "Fuck Bush" ??

Both sides. It's only the imbeciles who don't think Bush is a total travesty. His approval ratings hit a record low on Friday. Score one for intelligence, but a mark against for the nearly 30% who still approve of that dumb monkey.

Well, there are knuckle-draggers on both sides who would probably not stop supporting their party even if the leader was raping babies and feeding the corpses to wild animals.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: senseamp
This and the moveon episode has convinced me that Republican party has no ideas on how to solve this country's problems and is only capable of lashing out at critics. They aren't talking about how to fix the mess they created, they are talking about ads or things written at the newspapers.

umm which side has resorted to "Fuck Bush" ??

Both sides. It's only the imbeciles who don't think Bush is a total travesty. His approval ratings hit a record low on Friday. Score one for intelligence, but a mark against for the nearly 30% who still approve of that dumb monkey.

Well, there are knuckle-draggers on both sides who would probably not stop supporting their party even if the leader was raping babies and feeding the corpses to wild animals.

Totally right and I've said as much in the past. These are precisely the people--who who vote along their party lines no matter what--who whould abstain from voting every again because they do not contribute positively to anything.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: senseamp
This and the moveon episode has convinced me that Republican party has no ideas on how to solve this country's problems and is only capable of lashing out at critics. They aren't talking about how to fix the mess they created, they are talking about ads or things written at the newspapers.

umm which side has resorted to "Fuck Bush" ??

Both sides. It's only the imbeciles who don't think Bush is a total travesty. His approval ratings hit a record low on Friday. Score one for intelligence, but a mark against for the nearly 30% who still approve of that dumb monkey.

Well, there are knuckle-draggers on both sides who would probably not stop supporting their party even if the leader was raping babies and feeding the corpses to wild animals.

If all it took were allegations...

So then from whom do we trust to substantiate such claims, those invested in the destruction of the accused?

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This attempt at political grandstanding by the Colorado State University student newspaper illustrates a few things.

1. Freedom of the press and freedom of speech are not so ?free? when you rely on people to pay for your paper or pay for advertising.

2. The four word editorial ?Taser this? F**k Bush? shows just how irrational some people become when dealing with Bush. Bush had NOTHING to do with the kid at UF being tasered, but somehow these college students felt that best response to that incident was to run this editorial.

3. I thought reporters and editors were supposed to be impartial reporters of the news and events. But clearly the students that run this paper crossed that line and tried to make a political statement. Can we finally abandon the idea that reporters and editor?s political beliefs have no effect on what stories they choose to run and how they present stories?
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FORT COLLINS, Colo. -- A four word editorial with a four letter word in it is sparking a spirited discussion on free speech at Colorado State University.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian published an editorial on page 4 of the paper Friday which read "Taser this ... F*** Bush."

The expletive was spelled out

The last two words were in bold type, larger than most headlines. A caption below said, "this column represents the views of the Collegian's Editorial Board."

"I think they went over the line a little bit, but it's free speech and they're allowed to write what they want," one student told 7NEWS.

The editorial comes fresh on the heels of freedom of speech issues that arose from the Tasering of a Florida student at a Sen. John Kerry speech.

Collegian Editor David McSwane said a group of seven student editors discussed the statement for several hours before agreeing to publish it.

"We felt it illustrated our point about freedom of speech," McSwane told 7NEWS. "I think we could write 250 words and ramble on and I don't think anyone would pay attention."

In a letter to the University Community and Collegian readers, McSwane wrote, "While the editorial board feels strongly with regard to First Amendment issues, we have found the unintended consequences of such a bold statement to be extremely disheartening."

McSwane told 7NEWS that ads from the CSU Bookstore were pulled from the paper in response to the editorial. Bookstore managers declined to comment.

The Associated Press Saturday reported the student newspaper has lost $30,000 in advertising and had to cut pay and other budgets by 10 percent because of fallout.

CSU released a statement Friday that said in part, "While we understand that the editorial in today's Rocky Mountain Collegian is upsetting and offensive to many people, CSU is prohibited by law from censoring or regulating the content of its student media publications."

The Board of Student Communications has the authority to hear any and all grievances and complaints related to student media operations. The BSC can also remove student managers, like McSwane, if it deems necessary.

A special meeting of the BSC is set for Tuesday at 7 p.m. to hear comments regarding the editorial.

McSwane said he knows his job is on the line.

"I plan to be honest," he said. "Our intentions weren't 'Hey, let's upset the community.' It was, 'Let's get college students to talk about freedom of speech.'"

This topic serves the same purpose as the "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner on the aircraft carrier. Disinformation and misdirection.