The "actual" birth certificate? Most people who insist on an "actual" birth certificate are unaware that what that means is defined by the state.
Uh, no. I know what it means having seen them before. Both mine and my kid's.
Like marriage, the actual requirements are defined by the state.
Now you're on to something.
HI had, and still has some very unusual BC's. While some Birthers will probably never be satisfied given reports of an Obama Kenyan BC, others want to know which of the many types of BC's Obama was issued. The computer print-out made available does not disclose that bit of data.
In the case of Obama, the hard copy registrations were destroyed when the records were automated and the state of Hawaii has provided evidence that satisfies its legal requirements.
I don't think so. IIRC a HI official claims to have seen it and the accompanying documents and says they are in order.
Edit: You've raised a good point. HI may be satisfied regarding
their legal requirement's, but that's technically irrelevent. The qualifications for national office are defined in the Constitution, it is the Constitutional test which must be satisfied, not HI
No one else has any standing to dispute it.
I understand that's the way the SCOTUS has ruled so far. And personally I disagree with it. If US citizens don't have the 'standing' to make a US office holder prove their (minimal) qualifications as set out in the Constitution, who the h3ll does?
BTW, the "actual" birth certificate that most birthers seem to be looking for is a hospital document (the decorative pages with footprints) that has ZERO legal value.
Baloney, of course it has legal value. It's what I've always used to get drivers' licenses and my passport.
It is neither universal or required for anything. I was born in a hospital and my birth was registered with the state. My parents never received anything from either the hospital or the state. My brother was born at a different hospital in the same state and he got one of those fancy footprint certificates. When we applied for passports, The Passport Agency required certificates with a state seal so we requested and received computer generated documents similar to Hawaii's.
Why do you keep referring to an original as a "fancy footprint certificate"? Is it to demean it?
The original has an awful lot of data on it. Information that
can be on the computer generated type if you request it (In HI's case they include on the computer generated type only what that person requests, in Obama's case he chose a minimal amount)
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