The Godfather

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I just have a few questions, for those of you willing to help me out. So far i've been slacking in high school. I take AP and honors classes, but don't put any effort so i end up with a few A's and mostly B's.. I'm still in 10th grade, but do you think i've allready damaged my chances to get into prestige schools such as MIT?

A college teacher told me they don't look as much at the grades as they do on the curriculum and how rigurous it is. I don't really believe that though.

If i end my 2nd semester of 10th grade with A's.. 11th i take mostly AP classes and do good, as well as some extra curricular activities, and do good on my SAT.. Where do i stand?

I want to study Architecture btw.

Thank you.
 

bignateyk

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You're not getting into MIT with multiple B's, especially if you dont have some amazing extra curricular activities (gov. school, president of multiple clubs, etc...)


Edit: If you get straight A's from here on out, are president of a club, get a perfect on the SAT's, you might have a chance. I know someone with a 4.0, and perfect SAT's who was deferred from MIT because he didnt have any extra curricular activities at all. The guy was a complete genius, but never left his house.
 

Tab

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You're doing the right thing by taking AP Classes, just keep getting As and Bs and you'll be fine.

As for MIT, why not UCLA or some other not-so-awesome-school-but-quite-good...
 

The Godfather

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Originally posted by: bignateyk
You're not getting into MIT with multiple B's, especially if you dont have some amazing extra curricular activities (gov. school, president of multiple clubs, etc...)


Edit: If you get straight A's from here on out, are president of a club, get a perfect on the SAT's, you might have a chance.

The thing is, majority of people take regular CP classes and do so well. I take all Honors and AP classes and do allright. Next year i'm taking like 4 AP classes.

You're probably right about MIT. My real goal is somewhere in London.
 

The Godfather

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Originally posted by: Tab
You're doing the right thing by taking AP Classes, just keep getting As and Bs and you'll be fine.

As for MIT, why not UCLA or some other not-so-awesome-school-but-quite-good...

Yeah MIT is just something i pointed out. I rather go to a school for architecture in London, even if its not THAT great. Think i can make it?
 

Mo0o

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You mighth ave severely hurt your MIT chances. A lot of kids that get in are going in with straight As in the most rigorous courses they could take in high school. you might be able to offset it with spectacular test scores and extra curriculars though. But I would say more than 5 Bs is not a good sign for your chances.

Most of my friends here at Duke averaged around 2 Bs in their high school career, although some of the Exeter/Andover kids had a few more
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: The Godfather
Originally posted by: Tab
You're doing the right thing by taking AP Classes, just keep getting As and Bs and you'll be fine.

As for MIT, why not UCLA or some other not-so-awesome-school-but-quite-good...

Yeah MIT is just something i pointed out. I rather go to a school for architecture in London, even if its not THAT great. Think i can make it?

There are plenty of good colleges out there. Screw MIT. Half of getting in there is politics. I know people with 4.3 GPAs and the best resumes in the world that didn't get accepted. Also, As and Bs are fine. I did the same thing in HS, and although my GPA was a 3.4 I still got into 6/7 colleges I applied to for Engineering (Including Virginia Tech, NCState, RIT, Syracuse, GMU, University of Delaware. Only one that rejected me was the pompous UVA bastards ;) ).

I ended up going to the University of Delaware as it had a balance of programs that the other didn't (I'm also a hardcore chorus singer, so I wanted a good music program + good engineering). That and Virginia Tech was in the middle of nowhere.

But then again, I had an Engineering Resume to die for (President of FIRST Robotics Team, Co-Leader of NASA Student Launch Initiative Team, Went to the Internationals in the science fair, etc). My SATs were pretty good too (1380 on the old, 2100 on the new)

Bottom Line: Do your best, you'll do better than most.
 

The Godfather

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Originally posted by: Mo0o
You mighth ave severely hurt your MIT chances. A lot of kids that get in are going in with straight As in the most rigorous courses they could take in high school. you might be able to offset it with spectacular test scores and extra curriculars though. But I would say more than 5 Bs is not a good sign for your chances.

Most of my friends here at Duke averaged around 2 Bs in their high school career, although some of the Exeter/Andover kids had a few more

Damn.

9th grade:

3 B's
1 C
2 A's

10th grade 1st semester:
1 C in Art cause she hates me.
3 B's
2 A's

This is all advance classes but whatever.
 

Kirby

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I've heard that Auburn has a good architecture school. I could hook you up with some buddies of mine that will help you kill you liver, too.
 

rocadelpunk

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Collegs are much more interested in a well-rounded individual.

Get involved in sports, volunteer service, other various extra curric.

Keep up the A's - B's and you'll do fine with colleges.
 

Mo0o

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Originally posted by: The Godfather
Originally posted by: Mo0o
You mighth ave severely hurt your MIT chances. A lot of kids that get in are going in with straight As in the most rigorous courses they could take in high school. you might be able to offset it with spectacular test scores and extra curriculars though. But I would say more than 5 Bs is not a good sign for your chances.

Most of my friends here at Duke averaged around 2 Bs in their high school career, although some of the Exeter/Andover kids had a few more

Damn.

9th grade:

3 B's
1 C
2 A's

10th grade 1st semester:
1 C in Art cause she hates me.
3 B's
2 A's

This is all advance classes but whatever.
i would say your chances at MIT are pretty much shot unless you do something spectacular like win the INtel science fair. i dont know anyone at my school with those grades in high school unless they were legacy, and even legacy kids had higher numbers. but theres more than one way to be spectacular, you just gotta focus strongly on something else if you're set on the very best of schools
 

The Godfather

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Well what about getting a scholarship for outside the country?

I speak 3 fluent languages, taking a 4th. And assume i get good grades and high SAT..
 
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Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: The Godfather
Originally posted by: Tab
You're doing the right thing by taking AP Classes, just keep getting As and Bs and you'll be fine.

As for MIT, why not UCLA or some other not-so-awesome-school-but-quite-good...

Yeah MIT is just something i pointed out. I rather go to a school for architecture in London, even if its not THAT great. Think i can make it?

There are plenty of good colleges out there. Screw MIT. Half of getting in there is politics. I know people with 4.3 GPAs and the best resumes in the world that didn't get accepted. Also, As and Bs are fine. I did the same thing in HS, and although my GPA was a 3.4 I still got into 6/7 colleges I applied to for Engineering (Including Virginia Tech, NCState, RIT, Syracuse, GMU, University of Delaware. Only one that rejected me was the pompous UVA bastards ;) ).

I ended up going to the University of Delaware as it had a balance of programs that the other didn't (I'm also a hardcore chorus singer, so I wanted a good music program + good engineering). That and Virginia Tech was in the middle of nowhere.

But then again, I had an Engineering Resume to die for (President of FIRST Robotics Team, Co-Leader of NASA Student Launch Initiative Team, Went to the Internationals in the science fair, etc). My SATs were pretty good too (1380 on the old, 2100 on the new)


I had As and Bs. I had a 4.3 I had a 800/800/780 on my SAT IIs and a 1430 on my SAT I. Yes my SAT I was low but my high SAT IIs more than made up for it I'm sure because most people honestly focus too much on SAT Is while ther II scores are a lot lower than mine even if they got 1500s on their SAT Is. Even with my 4.35 GPA I was rank 55 out of a class of 515. Go figure. You needed a 4.6 to be in the top 10. Even then only a few people out of our whole class got into MIT. We are one of the top HSes in the nation and in CA, and I can guarantee you if you wanted to take SAT scores, our HS would top out a lot of others simply because we're like 75% Asian.

Honestly, you just named a bunch of schools

I got denied from MIT and StanFUrd.

Also, the schools you named to say there's no point in MIT aren't even on the top whatever in US News for engineering schools. I think you should at least name alternatives like Cal, Stanfurd, GA Tech, CMU, Cornell, UT Austin, etc...
 

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The best way to get into MIT is not to get As, but have something to show, regardless of your grades. If you have something to contribute, not only will MIT welcome you, but completely cover you financially. Odds are that even if you've had A+ all your life you will not be accepted if grades are all you have to offer.

You have to be good, very good. I know there are at least two people at MIT that at first sight don't seem to qualify. One with nothing more than high school and the other a high school dropout. But they're there because they're good :)

Originally posted by: irishScott
Screw MIT. Half of getting in there is politics. I know people with 4.3 GPAs and the best resumes in the world that didn't get accepted.
Finest institute of technology in the world, you don't just get accepted due to an arbitrarily defined numerical value.
 

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MIT, no. Unless you've won some high school research competitions (siemins, intel) you don't stand much of a chance with mediocre grades.
 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: The Godfather
Originally posted by: Tab
You're doing the right thing by taking AP Classes, just keep getting As and Bs and you'll be fine.

As for MIT, why not UCLA or some other not-so-awesome-school-but-quite-good...

Yeah MIT is just something i pointed out. I rather go to a school for architecture in London, even if its not THAT great. Think i can make it?

There are plenty of good colleges out there. Screw MIT. Half of getting in there is politics. I know people with 4.3 GPAs and the best resumes in the world that didn't get accepted. Also, As and Bs are fine. I did the same thing in HS, and although my GPA was a 3.4 I still got into 6/7 colleges I applied to for Engineering (Including Virginia Tech, NCState, RIT, Syracuse, GMU, University of Delaware. Only one that rejected me was the pompous UVA bastards ;) ).

I ended up going to the University of Delaware as it had a balance of programs that the other didn't (I'm also a hardcore chorus singer, so I wanted a good music program + good engineering). That and Virginia Tech was in the middle of nowhere.

But then again, I had an Engineering Resume to die for (President of FIRST Robotics Team, Co-Leader of NASA Student Launch Initiative Team, Went to the Internationals in the science fair, etc). My SATs were pretty good too (1380 on the old, 2100 on the new)


I had As and Bs. I had a 4.3 I had a 800/800/780 on my SAT IIs and a 1430 on my SAT I. Yes my SAT I was low but my high SAT IIs more than made up for it I'm sure because most people honestly focus too much on SAT Is while ther II scores are a lot lower than mine even if they got 1500s on their SAT Is. Even with my 4.35 GPA I was rank 55 out of a class of 515. Go figure. You needed a 4.6 to be in the top 10. Even then only a few people out of our whole class got into MIT. We are one of the top HSes in the nation and in CA, and I can guarantee you if you wanted to take SAT scores, our HS would top out a lot of others simply because we're like 75% Asian.

Honestly, you just named a bunch of schools

I got denied from MIT and StanFUrd.

Also, the schools you named to say there's no point in MIT aren't even on the top whatever in US News for engineering schools. I think you should at least name alternatives like Cal, Stanfurd, GA Tech, CMU, Cornell, UT Austin, etc...

My guess is that the following points hurt your chances at somewhere like MIT:

1) You're Asian (any school looks to diversify itself, and with Asians being historically overrepresented in the engineering/tech populations, it could work against you)

2) Your HS being as good as you say it is; no college is going to recruit its entire incoming class from one city, county, or even state; therefore, they look to take the best of the best from various areas. When your region is producing large numbers of outstanding candidates, it hurts the chances of the people not in that top 1%

3) You didn't list any extracurricular activities. I'm not saying you didn't participate in any, but I'd imagine that the average MIT/Cal Tech/whatever applicant has a respectable number of clubs and side-projects to his or her name.

Beyond that, part of the process is simply how much the committee likes your portrayal of yourself. Once you make it past the cut-point in terms of raw numbers/scores, and actually have a real person looking at your application, it's all about how well-rounded you appear, how good a fit you are for the program (and vice-versa), and how much the committee is willing to take the gamble that you'll complete your degree.

If all you have are grades and test scores, some committee members might be hesitant to admit you based on a lack of life experience. Without said experiences, there's likely a greater chance that you'll enter the program and realize it's not quite what you had expected. Either that, or you'll feel the need to take the infamous post-freshman-year vacation.

Edit: I should add that not getting into MIT wouldn't be the end of the world. In the end, the quality of the program matters substantially less than the amount of work you're willing to put into your own education. Upper-tier schools have disproportionately fewer incoming student slots than they do applicants, and so they're forced to accept the people who present themselves as the most likely to succeed.

But no matter how many times these colleges have run through admissions processes before, none of them are perfect at it. Every year, thousands of candidates who would've done astoundingly well are denied admission; many of them go on to other colleges where the steadfastly apply themselves, develop their abilities, and reach great successes in their lives.
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: The Godfather
Originally posted by: Tab
You're doing the right thing by taking AP Classes, just keep getting As and Bs and you'll be fine.

As for MIT, why not UCLA or some other not-so-awesome-school-but-quite-good...

Yeah MIT is just something i pointed out. I rather go to a school for architecture in London, even if its not THAT great. Think i can make it?

There are plenty of good colleges out there. Screw MIT. Half of getting in there is politics. I know people with 4.3 GPAs and the best resumes in the world that didn't get accepted. Also, As and Bs are fine. I did the same thing in HS, and although my GPA was a 3.4 I still got into 6/7 colleges I applied to for Engineering (Including Virginia Tech, NCState, RIT, Syracuse, GMU, University of Delaware. Only one that rejected me was the pompous UVA bastards ;) ).

I ended up going to the University of Delaware as it had a balance of programs that the other didn't (I'm also a hardcore chorus singer, so I wanted a good music program + good engineering). That and Virginia Tech was in the middle of nowhere.

But then again, I had an Engineering Resume to die for (President of FIRST Robotics Team, Co-Leader of NASA Student Launch Initiative Team, Went to the Internationals in the science fair, etc). My SATs were pretty good too (1380 on the old, 2100 on the new)


I had As and Bs. I had a 4.3 I had a 800/800/780 on my SAT IIs and a 1430 on my SAT I. Yes my SAT I was low but my high SAT IIs more than made up for it I'm sure because most people honestly focus too much on SAT Is while ther II scores are a lot lower than mine even if they got 1500s on their SAT Is. Even with my 4.35 GPA I was rank 55 out of a class of 515. Go figure. You needed a 4.6 to be in the top 10. Even then only a few people out of our whole class got into MIT. We are one of the top HSes in the nation and in CA, and I can guarantee you if you wanted to take SAT scores, our HS would top out a lot of others simply because we're like 75% Asian.

Honestly, you just named a bunch of schools

I got denied from MIT and StanFUrd.

Also, the schools you named to say there's no point in MIT aren't even on the top whatever in US News for engineering schools. I think you should at least name alternatives like Cal, Stanfurd, GA Tech, CMU, Cornell, UT Austin, etc...

US News is bullsh!t. That college rating system is so fcked up on so many factors it's pathetic. Fiske Guide FTW!

All of the schools I mentioned are in the Fiske Guide, which only takes about what they consider to be the top 300 institutions in the nation. All of the schools I listed have solid engineering programs. You listed the engineering Ivy leagues (or close to Ivy leagues)

OP: If you want to go for an Ivy, by all means stress out over every A and become student class president/validictorian/other sh!t that won't mean anything in the long run.

I just wrote good essays and let the Universities take me for who I am.

I've actually lead a team that built a Robot that can launch balls into 8 ft tall goals. We built it in 6 weeks, and had no idea what we had to build before those 6 weeks. We then attended and placed highly in a regional competition.

I've also lead a team that built a rocket that was launched a mile high to test Brownian motion under changing air pressure in-flight.

I also experimented with using microlasers for free space optical communications sophomore year.

I also have an Internship at Lockheed Martin that could very well turn into a job in 3 years.

and I did all of this in PUBLIC SCHOOL.

Have half the applicants to Stanford and Cornell done this? No.

Would I get rejected at those schools with my slot taken by some 4.0 valedictorian? Probably.

Do I/Did I give a sh!t about those universities? No.

Am I learning engineering and music and having a good time doing it? HELL YEAH!!!

Will I have a problem getting a job/grad school acceptance because of my lack of attending an Ivy? Probably not.
 

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I'm not quite sure about scholarships to foreign schools...

from what I've heard, with such places as the University of Poland, if you get accepted than your education is free. However, it is extremely difficult to pass the entrance exams. I doubt this follows through most of Europe, but I'd imagine it happens more often than not.

There are also lots and lots of study abroad programs offered by u.s. institutions.
 

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Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
I'm not quite sure about scholarships to foreign schools...

from what I've heard, with such places as the University of Poland, if you get accepted than your education is free. However, it is extremely difficult to pass the entrance exams. I doubt this follows through most of Europe, but I'd imagine it happens more often than not.

There are also lots and lots of study abroad programs offered by u.s. institutions.

Yeah, I personally would recommend going through a study abroad program rather than directly applying to a foreign university, but that's just me.
 

The Godfather

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Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
I'm not quite sure about scholarships to foreign schools...

from what I've heard, with such places as the University of Poland, if you get accepted than your education is free. However, it is extremely difficult to pass the entrance exams. I doubt this follows through most of Europe, but I'd imagine it happens more often than not.

There are also lots and lots of study abroad programs offered by u.s. institutions.

Yeah, I personally would recommend going through a study abroad program rather than directly applying to a foreign university, but that's just me.


Ok another thing: I've been a US resident for 4 years.. i will soon be a citizen. I have a European passport since now Bulgaria entered the Union. Schools from all over europe are sending recruiters there. And i think it would look good that i've studied in America for my important years.

Not to mention Harvard only accepts 5 or so foreign students per year, and last few years 4 out of 5 have been from Bulgaria, not that thats relevant haha just something to know :))))
 

Mo0o

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arguing public vs. private college is point less. Public school kids will stick by their decision and see private school kids as wasting their money for no gain while private school kids are convinced their education and networks are worth more than a public school one.