College Students Arrested For Refusing To Pay Tip

[hanoverphist]

The definitions are certainly relevant and yeah, the restaurant could have called it something else but they didn't. They could have sold cocaine in which case they'd be in trouble, but they didn't.

The escort could have charged for sex instead of "time", but she didn't so she's good to go.

It doesn't matter what they could have done, it matters what they did, what they called it, and anything else is irrelevant.

both are bad examples. if she charged for time but was caught having sex during that time, she wouuld likely still be busted for prostitution. and if the restaurant sold cocaine under a different name like "sugar" they would still be busted for drug trafficking.

 

[Friendo]

I was a server and if my service was that bad, I'd talk to the manager and would refuse to pay the 18% gratuity.

If I was arrested, I would contact the news and make damn sure the restaurant's name was every other word out of my mouth.

Edit: If they had to get their own utensils and get their drinks themselves, their server had issues. When things got crazy at our restaurant, servers wouldn't take breaks and would just man up to make sure their tables were taken care of.

And go to jail and get beaten and raped? No thanks idiot.

 

[SunSamurai]

Friendo has experience there.

 

[Cattlegod]

haha, i was thinking the exact same thing!

 

[jonks]

The definitions are certainly relevant and yeah, the restaurant could have called it something else but they didn't. They could have sold cocaine in which case they'd be in trouble, but they didn't.

The escort could have charged for sex instead of "time", but she didn't so she's good to go.

It doesn't matter what they could have done, it matters what they did, what they called it, and anything else is irrelevant.

Lol, are you under the impression that escorting and providing sex for her "time" is legal? Sorry to disappoint you buddy (and maybe you better be more careful, eh?) If an escort actually only provided her time and conversation, then that would be and is a legal service. There are actually escort services which do only provide company for events, dates, etc. However, if you arrange a "date" with an escort and if you make no explicit statements or agreements about sex, and you go to a hotel room or something, and you bring a wad of cash, and then you engage in any number of sexual activities, and then you leave, she can be arrested for prostitution, and you for soliciting. Try telling the cops and judge you were only paying for her time. But chances are you will not get arrested, but not because what you were doing was legal, but because it's not cost-effective (or really possible) to police the entire internets.

The very simple, and really, only, reason that escorts get busted less frequently than street hookers has nothing to do with the legality of you paying for "time" vs paying for "sex" in your communications; it's merely that it's so much easier and less time consuming to prove the case when you have the explicit agreement as opposed to implicit. Why bother going to all that trouble to prove an escort was a prostitute when you can more easily and cost effectivly prove that a prostitute is a prostitute? I mean, this is vice, they're not dealing with murderers, and any fines levied aren't going to bring in that much money anyway.

So back to the original point, the definition is completely irrelevent since the menu and signage clearly stated prior to their ordering that the gratuity would be added for a party of their size, thus, it was clearly conveyed that the addition was not optional. This was not vague or misleading or prone to misinterpretation, nor did they claim afterwards that they didn't know the charge was mandatory, they simply refused to pay it. They ordered, and then they ate, which acts as "acceptance" of the offer at the price given.

 

[alkemyst]

Lol, are you under the impression that escorting and providing sex for her "time" is legal? Sorry to disappoint you buddy (and maybe you better be more careful, eh?) If an escort actually only provided her time and conversation, then that would be and is a legal service. There are actually escort services which do only provide company for events, dates, etc. However, if you arrange a "date" with an escort and if you make no explicit statements or agreements about sex, and you go to a hotel room or something, and you bring a wad of cash, and then you engage in any number of sexual activities, and then you leave, she can be arrested for prostitution, and you for soliciting. Try telling the cops and judge you were only paying for her time. But chances are you will not get arrested, but not because what you were doing was legal, but because it's not cost-effective (or really possible) to police the entire internets.

The very simple, and really, only, reason that escorts get busted less frequently than street hookers has nothing to do with the legality of you paying for "time" vs paying for "sex" in your communications; it's merely that it's so much easier and less time consuming to prove the case when you have the explicit agreement as opposed to implicit. Why bother going to all that trouble to prove an escort was a prostitute when you can more easily and cost effectivly prove that a prostitute is a prostitute? I mean, this is vice, they're not dealing with murderers, and any fines levied aren't going to bring in that much money anyway.

So back to the original point, the definition is completely irrelevent since the menu and signage clearly stated prior to their ordering that the gratuity would be added for a party of their size, thus, it was clearly conveyed that the addition was not optional. This was not vague or misleading or prone to misinterpretation, nor did they claim afterwards that they didn't know the charge was mandatory, they simply refused to pay it. They ordered, and then they ate, which acts as "acceptance" of the offer at the price given.

oh shit the fun police entered the thread.

 

[Friendo]

Friendo has experience there.

I've never been there, so y don't u just stfu little kid.

Oh and any Gun, and I mean just about any will OWN a samurai.

 

[Soundmanred]

Oh and and any Gun, and I mean just about any will OWN an a stupid samurai.

Perfect candidate for engrishfunny.com.
What the heck were you trying to say?

 

[Howard]

Perfect candidate for engrishfunny.com.
What the heck were you trying to say?

STFU or I'll ownana you.

 

[darkswordsman17]

STFU or I'll ownana you.

Uh-oh, I smell meme.

 

[Friendo]

Perfect candidate for engrishfunny.com.
What the heck were you trying to say?

That you're nothing but my sperm?

 

[OogyWaWa]

we need to just do it like the rest of the world and fucking get rid of tips. start paying waiters regular wages, tack on a little more for everything. problem solved.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Fair market value has arrived at the system of providing 15%-20% tips depending on the region of the country you live. If everyone was a prick (like the guy giving $2 on $90) then you would have waiters and waitresses quitting en'mass. Some waitstaff must tip out busboy's/etc. on total sales (my gf when we were in Atlanta did this at Copeland's Cheesecake bistro), and have the potential to lose money. The point is that social deadbeats who are self-righteous about not tipping on a percentage basis are just bumming off the rest of society's laurels.

If you can't afford a meal's cost + tax + 15% (min) going into the night then stay home. Otherwise you are the equivalent of restaurant welfare recipients.

I'm not too worked up about this though, I know most self-righteous low tippers are angst-ed up teenagers and once they mature they very quickly learn how to tip like a responsible adult.

You're a fucking idiot.

 

[alkemyst]

I've never been there, so y don't u just stfu little kid.

Oh and any Gun, and I mean just about any will OWN a samurai.

just a note, professionals within striking distance will rank a bladed weapon a bit more dangerous than a gun.

 

[Legendary]

For poor service I leave 15% and a note about how much more they could've gotten if they had done their job properly.

Can't take a man's livelihood but feedback is definitely necessary

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Apparently in the UK it is termed "mandatory service charge" and if you do not pay it you can get charged with skipping on the bill...

 

[Brainonska511]

For poor service I leave 15% and a note about how much more they could've gotten if they had done their job properly.

Can't take a man's livelihood but feedback is definitely necessary

How does not leaving a tip take a man's livelihood? They're still paid at least minimum wage regardless of whether they are tipped or not.

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Tipping for bad service is stupid, tipping for take out just makes you mentally retarded but ATOT tips for bad service so yea.

I don't agree with the whole tipping for takeout thing at all but the way the system is setup a server has to tip out a % of their bill total for the night. If one of the servers takes your order and not someone standing behind the register all night and you order $40.00 of food and they are required to tip out 2% of their total bill for the night then that's $.80 out of their pocket that they have to pay.

Once again, I don't agree with it but every time you go to Chili's to go and order food and don't tip that server gets stuck with 2% of your bill that he or she has to tip out to other staffers. $.50 or $1.00 will make up the difference most of the time.



I tip well for good service. I barely tip at all for poor service. (I use 15% as a base for service that I expect to receive) I have never tipped for take out. I just learned about this the other day from one of my very good friends that works at a Chili's and sometimes takes the "to go" orders between tables. I will now be tipping a dollar for take out orders just so I don't end up sticking the server.

 

[Legendary]

How does not leaving a tip take a man's livelihood? They're still paid at least minimum wage regardless of whether they are tipped or not.

Incorrect. Servers are not required to be paid minimum wage and often are not. Same goes for busboys etc.

 

[Brainonska511]

Incorrect. Servers are not required to be paid minimum wage and often are not. Same goes for busboys etc.

Incorrect yourself. They can be paid below minimum wage if their tips bring them to minimum wage, but if those tips do not bring them there, the employer has to make up the difference. So in the end, they are paid at least minimum wage.

 

[SunSamurai]

i've never been there, so y don't u just stfu little kid.

Oh and any gun, and i mean just about any will own a samurai.

rofl

 

[Friendo]

just a note, professionals within striking distance will rank a bladed weapon a bit more dangerous than a gun.

Ok professional, you use a bladed weapon, I'll use 2 handguns w/ 1 in each hand. Just don't cry when your body have little holes in it.

 

[shortylickens]

I see the quality of conversation has improved greatly since I left.

How long till the lock and vacations?

 

[dguy6789]

Good service gets a good tip
Average service gets an average tip
Poor service gets no tip

 

[NFS4]

Good service gets a good tip
Average service gets an average tip
Poor service gets no tip

Sounds fair