College sports and cheating

[Syringer]

This is a great article on all the recent college bball scandals, which include "major" violations, and how all the participants are just getting a slap on the wrist:

http://ncaabasketball.fanhouse...ll-only-cost-a-banner/

Basically Derrick Rose, OJ Mayo, and to a lesser extent Michael Beasely got to where they were via alleged shady methods, and are all now making big money as a result--and will never see any sort of punishment for it.

John Calipari has a long history of being involved in scandals, and he's now one of the highest paid coaches ever.

And in the end, who can you really punish? The schools and its students shouldn't really be punished for the actions of past players/coaches, and you can't punish the players/coaches who are long gone..

Take away a victory from 3 years ago? Who cares?

 

[vi edit]

Moral of the story is that the NCAA is just as greedy as everyone else and you'll never get any meaningful sanction out of them.

I can smell the stank of USC from here in the midwest. Between the dealings going on with Mayo and Bush you have some serious "meat" to the allegations. But the NCAA won't ever do anything. USC is their poster child of high scoring football teams, high profile athletes, flashy parades, and cute SoCal co-eds.

As long as everyone in the chain is making a buck off the deal, things will never change.

 

[slsmnaz]

so the universities can make millions of dollars on these kids but they are supposed to accept their free dorm room and cafeteria food? Let the biggest bank account win

 

[TheNinja]

Something definitely isn't right. Either let them all cheat or crackdown harder on them. And punishing the school is the stupidist thing ever. They need to punish the coaching staff as well. So the school gets punished....the coach will just go somewhere else. If you punish the coach, anyone who hires him has to take his consequences as well. It makes a lot more sense.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: TheNinja
Something definitely isn't right. Either let them all cheat or crackdown harder on them. And punishing the school is the stupidist thing ever. They need to punish the coaching staff as well. So the school gets punished....the coach will just go somewhere else. If you punish the coach, anyone who hires him has to take his consequences as well. It makes a lot more sense.

Exactly, Calipari should be suspended from coaching if these major violations are found to be true. There's no way he didn't know about the Rose situation.

 

[ProfJohn]

Punish the school and the coach.

Make the school miss a year or two with no team allowed at all and then suspend the coach as well.

The system will clean up real fast then.

The schools could also require the players to sign legal contracts that state they will not take any money from outside sources and thus open the players to legal actions if they broke the rules.

So it works like this:
Player X takes $100,000 to play at certain school and then heads off to the NBA.

NCAA finds out, bans the school and coach for a year.

The school then sues the player for millions of dollars due to lost revenue and damages caused by his actions.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
so the universities can make millions of dollars on these kids but they are supposed to accept their free dorm room and cafeteria food? Let the biggest bank account win

most athletic departments lose money.

 

[waggy]

i remember a few years ago NIU (local college). got in trouble for cheating. they had a football player who was not going to class's but getting passing grades. The college said they would make him take a exam and if he failed he couldn't play football (good enough to play NFL from what i understand). well he took the finale and he got an A on it. Well after the school year it came out he was in Florida on the day he was supposedly taking the test here in DeKalb IL. but by that time it was to late to do anything since he was out of school.

it was in the local papers but thats it.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Syringer
This is a great article on all the recent college bball scandals, which include "major" violations, and how all the participants are just getting a slap on the wrist:

http://ncaabasketball.fanhouse...ll-only-cost-a-banner/

Basically Derrick Rose, OJ Mayo, and to a lesser extent Michael Beasely got to where they were via alleged shady methods, and are all now making big money as a result--and will never see any sort of punishment for it.

John Calipari has a long history of being involved in scandals, and he's now one of the highest paid coaches ever.

And in the end, who can you really punish? The schools and its students shouldn't really be punished for the actions of past players/coaches, and you can't punish the players/coaches who are long gone..

Take away a victory from 3 years ago? Who cares?

hahaha, yes, cheating on an SAT and then blowing through a year of meaningless college clearly made all of those guys better BASKETBALL PLAYERS.

The only reason this is even an issue is because of the stupid ass NBA policy. A guy like Rose should never have had to go to college. It is completely pointless to make the true stars go through the motions of one year in college when they could be making millions playing ball. If a couple of idiots enter the draft when they aren't good enough...so fucking what? They'll still have more money than most people ever make in their entire lives and can pay to go to college later.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
so the universities can make millions of dollars on these kids but they are supposed to accept their free dorm room and cafeteria food? Let the biggest bank account win

most athletic departments lose money.

As a whole, yes.

However, the Basketball and Football units typically bring in more money than they cost (at least they do at the larger schools). It's the smaller sports like baseball, cross country, soccer, swimming, diving, track & field, wrestling, gymnastics, etc that ultimately cause the athletic department as a whole to lose money.

I'm not saying they should eliminate the smaller sports, but despite the visibility it's not the basketball and football programs that are the money-losers.

ZV

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Syringer
This is a great article on all the recent college bball scandals, which include "major" violations, and how all the participants are just getting a slap on the wrist:

http://ncaabasketball.fanhouse...ll-only-cost-a-banner/

Basically Derrick Rose, OJ Mayo, and to a lesser extent Michael Beasely got to where they were via alleged shady methods, and are all now making big money as a result--and will never see any sort of punishment for it.

John Calipari has a long history of being involved in scandals, and he's now one of the highest paid coaches ever.

And in the end, who can you really punish? The schools and its students shouldn't really be punished for the actions of past players/coaches, and you can't punish the players/coaches who are long gone..

Take away a victory from 3 years ago? Who cares?

hahaha, yes, cheating on an SAT and then blowing through a year of meaningless college clearly made all of those guys better BASKETBALL PLAYERS.

The only reason this is even an issue is because of the stupid ass NBA policy. A guy like Rose should never have had to go to college. It is completely pointless to make the true stars go through the motions of one year in college when they could be making millions playing ball. If a couple of idiots enter the draft when they aren't good enough...so fucking what? They'll still have more money than most people ever make in their entire lives and can pay to go to college later.

Calipari, scumbag or not, is a good coach and players want to play for him. The experience and exposure Rose got from going to Memphis and making it to the championship game helped make him a #1 overall pick. Before the tourney Beaseley was the favorite to be the first pick--so yes, the cheating, and his experience Rose got did help him make extra money.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

As a whole, yes.

However, the Basketball and Football units typically bring in more money than they cost (at least they do at the larger schools). It's the smaller sports like baseball, cross country, soccer, swimming, diving, track & field, wrestling, gymnastics, etc that ultimately cause the athletic department as a whole to lose money.

I'm not saying they should eliminate the smaller sports, but despite the visibility it's not the basketball and football programs that are the money-losers.

ZV

if you don't want to amend title ix or get rid of sports, then paying football and basketball players isn't going to happen because there isn't enough money. texas participates in fewer sports in order to fund them better with top of the line facilities and coaching staffs. not all schools have made that decision so some teams far down the ladder have to drive themselves to events at other schools and pack their own dinners.