Originally posted by: Woody06
I think a lot of it has to do with what you make of it. If you want to just skate through you can, but if you want to learn something you can also... but yeah, for the most part it doesn't say much about getting a degree. Come to MIT, it'll kick your ass.
I love MIT, they have professors who forget to take down their solutions from previous semester.
Thank you google! Besides, from what I can tell the MIT "honours" physics class is equivalent to the one I took this semester (at McGill).<-- Not that impressed with MIT anymore
on the topic, I partially agree. I think the difficulty of a class is dependent on how much the professor enjoys screwing students on the final
it all depends really. some professors recycle their homework (and hw can be like 40% of your grade), and some even recycle their midterms. those classes are a joke.
one semester i had two classes that were scheduled at the same time, MWF 10-11am. the two classes were ethnic studies and an introductory electrical engineering class (one of the hardest classes i ever took). i never, not once, showed up to the ethnic studies lecture, although i did go to the mandatory discussion sections. as a matter of fact i didnt even buy the books for the ethnic studies class. two essays and two multiple choice tests later i got a C+. i worked 4 nights out of the whole semester and got a C+. my lazy @ss will ill take it. the college that makes this possible is none other than UC Berkeley.
one more story to tell. senior year i take plasma physics and the teacher starts off day 1 by saying everybody (10ppl) is gonna get an A. he never graded a single hw assignment (the TA did but it was ignored as far as the professor is concerned) and his practice midterms were virtually identical to the actual test. the mean on the two tests wasnt abnormally high or anything (~70%) but the grade distribution at the end of the semester looked like this: 1 A+, 8 A's, 1 A-. the only A i ever got!
moral of the story? do some research on the teachers before you take them!
one semester i had two classes that were scheduled at the same time, MWF 10-11am. the two classes were ethnic studies and an introductory electrical engineering class (one of the hardest classes i ever took). i never, not once, showed up to the ethnic studies lecture, although i did go to the mandatory discussion sections. as a matter of fact i didnt even buy the books for the ethnic studies class. two essays and two multiple choice tests later i got a C+. i worked 4 nights out of the whole semester and got a C+. my lazy @ss will ill take it. the college that makes this possible is none other than UC Berkeley.
one more story to tell. senior year i take plasma physics and the teacher starts off day 1 by saying everybody (10ppl) is gonna get an A. he never graded a single hw assignment (the TA did but it was ignored as far as the professor is concerned) and his practice midterms were virtually identical to the actual test. the mean on the two tests wasnt abnormally high or anything (~70%) but the grade distribution at the end of the semester looked like this: 1 A+, 8 A's, 1 A-. the only A i ever got!
moral of the story? do some research on the teachers before you take them!
Anubis
No Lifer
here at my school we assign he second largest ammount of work to teh students. Behind only Yale.
I have Homework every day that counts for more of teh grade then all the exams.
If i miss class more then 5 times all sem i fail that class.
I am on a first name basis with all my professors because my classes are no bigger then 15 people
So NO college is not a joke. its hard as sh!t.
I have Homework every day that counts for more of teh grade then all the exams.
If i miss class more then 5 times all sem i fail that class.
I am on a first name basis with all my professors because my classes are no bigger then 15 people
So NO college is not a joke. its hard as sh!t.
Gibson486
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It took me a quarter to find out that the job of a lecturer is not to teach, but to lecture. You can go to college and not show up to class or do hw, but you are only making a joke of yourslef if you do that.
Yeah, since when did Yale get the most homework?
Yeah, since when did Yale get the most homework?
Only if you make it mean something.
What is the point of B or A+ or any letter grade if you learned jack in those courses? To top it off, you (or your parents, or someone) PAID for the courses.
Anubis
No Lifer
I didnt say Yale gave the most HW. There was a study done about the work loads students get at college. and Yale was placed first and We were placed second.
going to go look for this study now
going to go look for this study now
Exactly. You can spend 4 years partying and coasting, and maybe even get a decent job with your worthless piece of paper.
Or you can choose classes that interest you, learn and grow as a person, and prepare yourself for a career that you'll actually be good at and enjoy. The A grades are just a bonus.
Up to you what you make of the time and of your life.
And to all the boasting about showing up once or never and getting a C+ or B -- how smart was that? With just a little more effort you could have had an A and helped to have a GPA that you won't be afraid to list on your resume.
Anubis
No Lifer
I go to Dickinson College in Carlisle PS. Small privite Div 3 school.
I have 4-6 hours of physics HW to do every 2 days on top of HW for 3 other class that takes equally as long
if you all are in college for a piece of paper, then more power to you if you take the easiest classes and aim for the highest GPA.
As someone who has only recently graduated college and--i'll self-aggrandizingly mention--who didn't take that particular course of action, i'll submit that college is your best opportunity to learn stuff, and if you pass it up all the grad school in the world won't make up for it.
As someone who has only recently graduated college and--i'll self-aggrandizingly mention--who didn't take that particular course of action, i'll submit that college is your best opportunity to learn stuff, and if you pass it up all the grad school in the world won't make up for it.
"So does a degree really mean anything? Yes, it meant you picked the right instructor."
I so agree with you. I wisened up quickly about this fact and took advantage of this fact when choosing class sections. Sometimes I didn't even mind waiting to get a better professor. But your major also plays a lot in how much choices you have. I hardly had much of a choice with devils teaching the same classes and only one section all semesters. LOL!
As said though, it also depends on what school you go to. If you go to a private and smaller school for instance, more quality time is given. The professor's effectiveness is also counted in, so he (or she) wouldn't be abusing tenure.
Some people who took really hard professors tried to rationalise their decisions by arguing that they learned a lot more than they would have from a milder professor. Perhaps that's true. But perhaps there should be some balance. It should not be either an extremely easy professor or an extremely hard professor. Luckily for some who took the extremely hard professors, the professors curved and the highest scores in those classes were pretty low . . . basically what would be a D or an F on standard grading system. Some Ivy League schools may practice this too, so don't think it's just something limited to no-name schools.
I so agree with you. I wisened up quickly about this fact and took advantage of this fact when choosing class sections. Sometimes I didn't even mind waiting to get a better professor. But your major also plays a lot in how much choices you have. I hardly had much of a choice with devils teaching the same classes and only one section all semesters. LOL!
As said though, it also depends on what school you go to. If you go to a private and smaller school for instance, more quality time is given. The professor's effectiveness is also counted in, so he (or she) wouldn't be abusing tenure.
Some people who took really hard professors tried to rationalise their decisions by arguing that they learned a lot more than they would have from a milder professor. Perhaps that's true. But perhaps there should be some balance. It should not be either an extremely easy professor or an extremely hard professor. Luckily for some who took the extremely hard professors, the professors curved and the highest scores in those classes were pretty low . . . basically what would be a D or an F on standard grading system. Some Ivy League schools may practice this too, so don't think it's just something limited to no-name schools.
try taking one of the courses below at UCB and say that college is a breeze....
EECS 150, 152, 162, 141
EECS 150, 152, 162, 141
last qtr i spent 1.5 hrs a week on physics, 1 hr a week in discrete math, and all my time and energy into my CS class. guess which class i got the lowest grade on. . .
Anubis
No Lifer
I go to Dickinson College in Carlisle PS. Small privite Div 3 school.
I have 4-6 hours of physics HW to do every 2 days on top of HW for 3 other class that takes equally as long
i mean absolutely no offense by this, but i have to question any study that puts a school so widely acknowledged to inflate grades like yale as the hardest school academically in the nation.
I have 4-6 hours of physics HW to do every 2 days on top of HW for 3 other class that takes equally as long
i mean absolutely no offense by this, but i have to question any study that puts a school so widely acknowledged to inflate grades like yale as the hardest school academically in the nation.
All a degree is is a piece of paper that says "You can train me."
Have you ever actually spoken to a person who has graduated and is in the real world? Because everyone I have talked to would tend to disagree with your theory.
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