college grad can't find job; wants her $70k tuition back

[Reckoner]

These universities have it made. They charge students tens of thousands of dollars, with virtually no guarantee of job placement post commencement. They hide behind the "we're first and foremost an institute of higher learning" bullshit. Give me a break. Whether they choose to accept it or not, most people go to school for better employment prospects. I don't find it all that unreasonable either, considering the ridiculous costs of higher learning these days. That said, the plaintiff in this is unreasonable as well. 3 months is nothing right now, unfortunately. Colleges need to be held more accountable in the majors they offer, the services they provide, and the information they provide; most notably the long-term job prospects of their majors.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Reckoner
These universities have it made. They charge students tens of thousands of dollars, with virtually no guarantee of job placement post commencement. They hide behind the "we're first and foremost an institute of higher learning" bullshit. Give me a break. Whether they choose to accept it or not, most people go to school for better employment prospects. I don't find it all that unreasonable either, considering the ridiculous costs of higher learning these days. That said, the plaintiff in this is unreasonable as well. 3 months is nothing right now, unfortunately. Colleges need to be held more accountable in the majors they offer, the services they provide, and the information they provide; most notably the long-term job prospects of their majors.

I don't understand why it is the colleges responsibility to ensure you have job prospects with your chosen major.

Some people truly do go for education purposes. If you venture into an overcrowded or under demanded profession, that is on you.

If you are too lazy to research job prospects for the profession you are going into that is on you.

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: arcenite
Not enough info.

The business-oriented school in the Bronx didn't do enough to help her find a job, Thompson alleges, so she wants a refund. The college says it does plenty for grads.

Sure it's easy enough to point fingers at other people when you are failing at life, but that doesn't mean all cases are without merit. ATOT would make poor court room judges 😉

It is enough info. The college is basically a scam for your money. It advertises on the freaking NYC subways for godsakes. Anyone stupid enough to attend.. well I don't know what to say. I feel sorry for the person, but she should not have expected a guaranteed job.

No one should expect to graduate with an immediate job opportunity. However, finding a job by yourself is overwhelming enough, I can imagine that's even more overwhelming to not have the college you graduated from supporting you 110%.

I agree that it's easy to say that it is the girl's fault for not doing her research first, but even in the article the school claims to have done what is expected of their career center.

It's up to a judge to decide if the school's done enough, or if it's even the responsibility of the school in the first place.

 

[GasX]

Having BS after your name will ALWAYS give you better prospects than having GED. When you start seeing ads for guaranteed 6 figure jobs, you can start making claims.

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: GasX
Having BS after your name will ALWAYS give you better prospects than having GED. When you start seeing ads for guaranteed 6 figure jobs, you can start making claims.

I haven't seen anyone argue against your first point (in fact, I have no idea where that thought came from)

And you are sincerely dramatizing the second point. The girl is looking for a job, period. She's not looking for 6 figures. All she is asking is for the college to hold her hand. It's up to a judge to decide how much hand holding should be expected of a college, if any at all.

 

[SKORPI0]

Link

As Thompson sees it, any reasonable employer would pounce on an applicant with her academic credentials, which include a 2.7 grade-point average and a solid attendance record.

😀

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: evident
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/5...dent-loan-stories.html

you think thats bad, read these comments on here.

Commenter: Stack Jones I owe more than 135,000 in student loans. The rate of interest makes the loan grow and grow. I can't rent an apartment, and my credit rating has destroyed my life. I have a law degree, but by the time I finished law school, I could not afford the 5000.00 USD, I needed to take the bar exam. I was already disabled, and I actually spent 3 years in law school, living in the back of my truck. The "American" dream is gone. I live in Japan. I will never get out of that American debt. So, I gave up on trying. America is a shadow of what it once was. America cannot compete in the world, on any level - especially in the "globalization" Americans so pushed for. I personally, will be happy the day America falls, afterall, all that America is about is - purchasing crap products made in China, McDonald's garbage that is somehow called food. America doesn't care about you. Stop pretending you "love American. It doesn't love you. Its a complete fraud.

lol what is that? like 0.0000001% of the law grad demographic?

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: SKORPI0
Link

As Thompson sees it, any reasonable employer would pounce on an applicant with her academic credentials, which include a 2.7 grade-point average and a solid attendance record.

😀

Damn...Hah...

 

[Razgriz]

Originally posted by: Reckoner
These universities have it made. They charge students tens of thousands of dollars, with virtually no guarantee of job placement post commencement. They hide behind the "we're first and foremost an institute of higher learning" bullshit. Give me a break. Whether they choose to accept it or not, most people go to school for better employment prospects. I don't find it all that unreasonable either, considering the ridiculous costs of higher learning these days. That said, the plaintiff in this is unreasonable as well. 3 months is nothing right now, unfortunately. Colleges need to be held more accountable in the majors they offer, the services they provide, and the information they provide; most notably the long-term job prospects of their majors.

:thumbsup:

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
GA, what are you currently studying? I know you did Astronomy for 2 years IIRC.

I'm currently in computer science, which from what I've heard is very much easier than engineering (perhaps not intellectually, but certainly in terms of workload). I did 2 years of astronomy and physics.

:heart: astronomy

 

[Anonemous]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: SKORPI0
Link

As Thompson sees it, any reasonable employer would pounce on an applicant with her academic credentials, which include a 2.7 grade-point average and a solid attendance record.

😀

Damn...Hah...

She suggested that Monroe's Office of Career Advancement shows preferential treatment to students with excellent grades. "They favor more toward students that got a 4.0. They help them more out with the job placement," she said.

Wow...

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: Reckoner
These universities have it made. They charge students tens of thousands of dollars, with virtually no guarantee of job placement post commencement. They hide behind the "we're first and foremost an institute of higher learning" bullshit. Give me a break. Whether they choose to accept it or not, most people go to school for better employment prospects. I don't find it all that unreasonable either, considering the ridiculous costs of higher learning these days. That said, the plaintiff in this is unreasonable as well. 3 months is nothing right now, unfortunately. Colleges need to be held more accountable in the majors they offer, the services they provide, and the information they provide; most notably the long-term job prospects of their majors.

i'll agree that tuition costs are getting out of control, but no one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to go to ones that cost $50k a year.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Reckoner
These universities have it made. They charge students tens of thousands of dollars, with virtually no guarantee of job placement post commencement. They hide behind the "we're first and foremost an institute of higher learning" bullshit. Give me a break. Whether they choose to accept it or not, most people go to school for better employment prospects. I don't find it all that unreasonable either, considering the ridiculous costs of higher learning these days. That said, the plaintiff in this is unreasonable as well. 3 months is nothing right now, unfortunately. Colleges need to be held more accountable in the majors they offer, the services they provide, and the information they provide; most notably the long-term job prospects of their majors.

I don't understand why it is the colleges responsibility to ensure you have job prospects with your chosen major.

Some people truly do go for education purposes. If you venture into an overcrowded or under demanded profession, that is on you.

If you are too lazy to research job prospects for the profession you are going into that is on you.

I'm with Reckoner in giving some credit to the plaintiff. Anyone who has tried to do detailed research on occupations or educational opportunities can tell you that colleges seem to intentionally hold back information as to how their graduates fare in the job market. The information they do provide is on par with the type of language you'd find in a timeshare brochure (read: salesmanship).

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: Beattie

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
Text


wow, talk about entitlement mentality...
:roll:

How?

She thinks that because she went to college, she's entitled to a job.

She in fact paid for the education. The rest is up to her.

Actually as part of her tuition, the college offers help in employment. She claims they didn't provide enough help. There are not enough details in the article to form a conclusion one way or the other.
Of course that doesn't stop OT.
http://www.monroecollege.edu/careerservices/

thats what i was thinking as well.

Whether preparing for a career or simply need a part-time job, the Monroe College office of Career Advancement provides expert advice and valuable services to help you.


Every student at Monroe College has a Career Advisor, who provides one-on-one assistance with career decision-making, resume and letter writing, and job search strategies. The Office of Career Advancement helps with career assessment, resume writing, job search and strategy, employer recruitment and placement, interviewing skills, and other job search guidance. Registering with E-recruiting allows you to view online job listings, post a resume to the database, and access additional web-based career resources.



One of those resources is the Vault Career Library, the world's leading source of career information including guides to internships, company profiles, valuable career advice and occupational profiles. Monroe students can access Vault by logging into My Monroe.
Freshman take note: It is never too early to learn about internships, job tools, and the career search process!

Please point out where they said you are guaranteed a job if you attend that school. ...

This is where OT always fails, reading comprehension. She claims that they didn't do enough. We have 0 idea what they did do so she may have a valid claim. The suit isn't about not getting a job, it's about them not doing enough.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: Beattie

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
Text


wow, talk about entitlement mentality...
:roll:

How?

She thinks that because she went to college, she's entitled to a job.

She in fact paid for the education. The rest is up to her.

Actually as part of her tuition, the college offers help in employment. She claims they didn't provide enough help. There are not enough details in the article to form a conclusion one way or the other.
Of course that doesn't stop OT.
http://www.monroecollege.edu/careerservices/

thats what i was thinking as well.

Whether preparing for a career or simply need a part-time job, the Monroe College office of Career Advancement provides expert advice and valuable services to help you.


Every student at Monroe College has a Career Advisor, who provides one-on-one assistance with career decision-making, resume and letter writing, and job search strategies. The Office of Career Advancement helps with career assessment, resume writing, job search and strategy, employer recruitment and placement, interviewing skills, and other job search guidance. Registering with E-recruiting allows you to view online job listings, post a resume to the database, and access additional web-based career resources.



One of those resources is the Vault Career Library, the world's leading source of career information including guides to internships, company profiles, valuable career advice and occupational profiles. Monroe students can access Vault by logging into My Monroe.
Freshman take note: It is never too early to learn about internships, job tools, and the career search process!

Please point out where they said you are guaranteed a job if you attend that school. ...

This is where OT always fails, reading comprehension. She claims that they didn't do enough. We have 0 idea what they did do so she may have a valid claim. The suit isn't about not getting a job, it's about them not doing enough.

From the number of times we've all met people who are likely very similar to her, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that's not the case here.

Now while it may be true, that the college didn't do anything, from the way she has attacked this whole situation, I'm going to go with the concept that she feels she's entitled to a job, and that the career advancement program at the school was intended to get her close to getting a job, and that because she has had no luck with getting a job, she wants to blame the school with the belief they didn't do enough for her. She might not of utilized the resources to the degree they offer, or might very well have received the same amount of help. However, because she has not been hired anywhere, she feels they are in the wrong. It could very well be her approach to things, or could just be a stagnant job market in the area she is looking.

They might have done nothing or very little, but the vibe I get from her statements, is that it is entirely a feeling of entitlement and that she would rather shift blame and get a reward because of it.

 

[thegimp03]

Holy cow, did I read that right, a 2.7 GPA?!?!

"HAHAHA, get out of my office!"

/hiring manager

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Reckoner
These universities have it made. They charge students tens of thousands of dollars, with virtually no guarantee of job placement post commencement. They hide behind the "we're first and foremost an institute of higher learning" bullshit. Give me a break. Whether they choose to accept it or not, most people go to school for better employment prospects. I don't find it all that unreasonable either, considering the ridiculous costs of higher learning these days. That said, the plaintiff in this is unreasonable as well. 3 months is nothing right now, unfortunately. Colleges need to be held more accountable in the majors they offer, the services they provide, and the information they provide; most notably the long-term job prospects of their majors.

I don't understand why it is the colleges responsibility to ensure you have job prospects with your chosen major.

Some people truly do go for education purposes. If you venture into an overcrowded or under demanded profession, that is on you.

If you are too lazy to research job prospects for the profession you are going into that is on you.

I'm with Reckoner in giving some credit to the plaintiff. Anyone who has tried to do detailed research on occupations or educational opportunities can tell you that colleges seem to intentionally hold back information as to how their graduates fare in the job market. The information they do provide is on par with the type of language you'd find in a timeshare brochure (read: salesmanship).

No one should believe simply getting a degree means that all of a sudden you can get any job you want, or a job period, for that matter.

Most individuals are not thinking right with all of this. There are markets everywhere, for anything. Some people try for a job in a geographical area, cannot find it, and quit. There has always been the problem of certain locations don't have strong job markets for certain sectors. You don't go to Detroit looking for IT jobs. Hell, at this point you don't go there looking for a job, period, especially in the auto industry. 😉
You have to be willing to relocate once it is time for a real career, if you are trying to find something to make real use of a degree.
But it is shocking the number of individuals with degrees who are working basically dead end jobs, or small local jobs, and not actually working in career.

The economy has multiple job markets sizing down, or in a hiring freeze, and there has been an increase in how many individuals are graduating with 2 or 4 year degrees.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: thegimp03
Holy cow, did I read that right, a 2.7 GPA?!?!

"HAHAHA, get out of my office!"

/hiring manager

welcome to the make believe.

Most employers never look at any GPA. Hell, if you put your GPA on your resume you are retarded. The goal is to have a degree, unless you have an engineering degree or something critical, then GPA can matter some.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: Anonemous

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: SKORPI0
Link

As Thompson sees it, any reasonable employer would pounce on an applicant with her academic credentials, which include a 2.7 grade-point average and a solid attendance record.

😀

Damn...Hah...

She suggested that Monroe's Office of Career Advancement shows preferential treatment to students with excellent grades. "They favor more toward students that got a 4.0. They help them more out with the job placement," she said.

Wow...

ORLY?

They help students who tried harder more than slackers? I could never have imagined that.

Thread closed.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: Anonemous

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: SKORPI0
Link

As Thompson sees it, any reasonable employer would pounce on an applicant with her academic credentials, which include a 2.7 grade-point average and a solid attendance record.

😀

Damn...Hah...

She suggested that Monroe's Office of Career Advancement shows preferential treatment to students with excellent grades. "They favor more toward students that got a 4.0. They help them more out with the job placement," she said.

Wow...

ORLY?

They help students who tried harder more than slackers? I could never have imagined that.

Thread closed.

She's probably going to claim discrimination against those who couldn't or didn't get excellent grades. Just... LOL.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: thegimp03
Holy cow, did I read that right, a 2.7 GPA?!?!

"HAHAHA, get out of my office!"

/hiring manager

welcome to the make believe.

Most employers never look at any GPA. Hell, if you put your GPA on your resume you are retarded. The goal is to have a degree, unless you have an engineering degree or something critical, then GPA can matter some.

I don't know, if I hit Magna or Summa Cum Laude I'm probabally going to write it next to my degree.

Why not be proud of your grades if you did well?

Technical fields, like you said at the end, are good places to show you can pay attention to details and get a good GPA.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Reckoner
These universities have it made. They charge students tens of thousands of dollars, with virtually no guarantee of job placement post commencement. They hide behind the "we're first and foremost an institute of higher learning" bullshit. Give me a break. Whether they choose to accept it or not, most people go to school for better employment prospects. I don't find it all that unreasonable either, considering the ridiculous costs of higher learning these days. That said, the plaintiff in this is unreasonable as well. 3 months is nothing right now, unfortunately. Colleges need to be held more accountable in the majors they offer, the services they provide, and the information they provide; most notably the long-term job prospects of their majors.

I don't understand why it is the colleges responsibility to ensure you have job prospects with your chosen major.

Some people truly do go for education purposes. If you venture into an overcrowded or under demanded profession, that is on you.

If you are too lazy to research job prospects for the profession you are going into that is on you.

I'm with Reckoner in giving some credit to the plaintiff. Anyone who has tried to do detailed research on occupations or educational opportunities can tell you that colleges seem to intentionally hold back information as to how their graduates fare in the job market. The information they do provide is on par with the type of language you'd find in a timeshare brochure (read: salesmanship).

No one should believe simply getting a degree means that all of a sudden you can get any job you want, or a job period, for that matter.

Most individuals are not thinking right with all of this. There are markets everywhere, for anything. Some people try for a job in a geographical area, cannot find it, and quit. There has always been the problem of certain locations don't have strong job markets for certain sectors. You don't go to Detroit looking for IT jobs. Hell, at this point you don't go there looking for a job, period, especially in the auto industry. 😉
You have to be willing to relocate once it is time for a real career, if you are trying to find something to make real use of a degree.
But it is shocking the number of individuals with degrees who are working basically dead end jobs, or small local jobs, and not actually working in career.

The economy has multiple job markets sizing down, or in a hiring freeze, and there has been an increase in how many individuals are graduating with 2 or 4 year degrees.

It's true, if you want a good paying job, and a good career track, you cannot simply throw your ends up and wait for it to come to you. Many times you have to go find it, even if it means a little move.

 

[thegimp03]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: thegimp03
Holy cow, did I read that right, a 2.7 GPA?!?!

"HAHAHA, get out of my office!"

/hiring manager

welcome to the make believe.

Most employers never look at any GPA. Hell, if you put your GPA on your resume you are retarded. The goal is to have a degree, unless you have an engineering degree or something critical, then GPA can matter some.

I was cracking a joke and making a point at the same time. I found the way the CNN article phrased "any employer would pounce on someone with a 2.7 GPA and a solid attendance record" comical. This chick is clueless. With all the people out of work in NYC right now I'm sure there's a ton of competition at any position that opens up, and competition might include people with a couple years experience at say, Lehman Bros. I'm sure that a potential employer would have an easy decision after looking at her C+ average and comparing it to someone who has 2 years of experience at Lehman Bros.

You're mostly right on your GPA comment, I agree you shouldn't put it on your resume unless you had a 3.8 to 4.0. However, I've had extensive employment applications in the past that asked for college GPA. I also know a couple of major Fortune 500s that want GPAs on resumes - even Google asked for a couple of my friends' SAT scores when they were in the application process 3-5 years after they had graduated from college and they weren't applying for engineering positions.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Can the college counter sue for the $70k plus damages when she is gainfully employed and making 6 figures 10 years from now?

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: thegimp03
Holy cow, did I read that right, a 2.7 GPA?!?!

"HAHAHA, get out of my office!"

/hiring manager

welcome to the make believe.

Most employers never look at any GPA. Hell, if you put your GPA on your resume you are retarded. The goal is to have a degree, unless you have an engineering degree or something critical, then GPA can matter some.

Yeah right. If you're coming straight out of school without a work history your GPA is one of the few indicators of how hard you work. It's not the best indicator, but it's better than nothing. After your first job you'll never list it again but if you don't provide it for your first job they're probably going to think that something is wrong with it.