GodlessAstronomer
Lifer
I'm currently in computer science, which from what I've heard is very much easier than engineering (perhaps not intellectually, but certainly in terms of workload). I did 2 years of astronomy and physics.
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I'm currently in computer science, which from what I've heard is very much easier than engineering (perhaps not intellectually, but certainly in terms of workload). I did 2 years of astronomy and physics.
postmortemIA
Diamond Member
the difference is that in engineering all classes are in major beside required general education. In computer science, you can have more 'fill' classes, still I'd say comp sci and comp engineering graduates are mostly comparable.
Corporate Thug
Lifer
WTF is a Monroe College?
If everyone has a college education it creates problems as labor supply goes up and market demand remains steady. (Both will grow, but averaged out over annual market demand growth for a field vs labor supply for a field, then combining the fields together, overall supply is going up.)
In fact, one could say, due to the influx of immigrants who specialize in manual labor a disincentive has been created to create a specialized and mechanized robotic infrastructure that could take advantage of the knowledge earned in highly technical degree fields.
Though some have offered the opposite vantage points that Americans will further educate themselves while leaving the low paying jobs to the illiegals, but I think equilibrium wages will still come down as the market dilutes itself, unless many Americans stick with less functional degrees (which I don't for see happening in the long term, but perhaps I have too much faith in this nation).
ultimatebob
Lifer
Did they cover Swing in her Java class? They did in mine... and that was back in 1999.
PlasmaBomb
Lifer
Goo goo ga joob.
evident
Lifer
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/5...dent-loan-stories.html
you think thats bad, read these comments on here.
you think thats bad, read these comments on here.
imported_Imp
Diamond Member
I spent a year after college before finding a job in my field. Even now, I'm underemployed.
ibex333
Diamond Member
Actually I kinda agree with this student. It is extremely difficult to find a job right now, and it is NOT the job seeker's fault. There is a lot of people who go around saying that those who cant find a job are either lazy, have a shitty college degree or don't want a job enough.
Well, I believe that a student IS entitled to a job when he/she finishes college, and it's the govt's responsibility just as much as the student's that this student gets a job. Let's think about it for a sec... If more people are employed, EVERYONE benefits. The economy is better, the country is more powerful and prosperous. America is a great country, but there is something wrong, with this materialistic, success driven, cut-throat, "law of the jungle" society where people usually don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves. Cant get a job?! Too bad! You are a fucking lazy bum, and that is why you don't have a job. Well, that's WRONG. Every capable, potential worker should matter, and if he is incapable of finding a job someone should help him. Yes, you heard right.. Someone should find him a job.
First of all there should be no such thing as "worthless" degrees. For example, why is there an Associate's degree in Liberal Arts when you cant find a job with such a degree upon graduation?! They should let students know about such things before they end up wasting their time. No one told me about all this in High School. No one cared! No one ever cares!
I know I'm going to get yelled at for this, but in Soviet Union, there was a program, where students got introduced to various professions while still in High School, such as carpenter, electrician, etc... This way, the students were already being exposed to the "adult life", learning trades, and getting used to "working". Sure a carpenter is not the best profession out there, and not the most high paying, but at least many people were already skilled at SOMETHING upon exiting school. The govt, and the teachers actually GAVE A DAMN. If you didn't want to study or work, they would FORCE you to study harder or get a job, they would help you if needed. Maybe they wouldn't help you get a job as a doctor if you were an idiot, but you could count on getting a job as a janitor at least. People who didn't want to work were summoned for review meetings where they were shamed, and hounded in front of their peers. Brutal methods? Maybe... But it worked! Here in US, there are some employment programs in High Schools as well, but there are very few of those and they are not available everywhere. What's worse is this information is not really "readily available". In my high school, I would actually have to go to the counceller and ASK about this stuff to get any sort of info... But what if I wouldn't go? What if I didn't care or didn't know? Then I would never know! But see, that's perfectly fine because I was a KID. They should have people coming into classes, and telling kids about employment opportunities, they should announce these things on the loudspeaker.
In America, you go to an employment agency with your college diploma, and one of the 1st things they ask you is: "DO YOU HAVE RELEVANT EXPERIENCE?" Well, how can I have any experience when I'm fresh out of college you stupid fucks?! What would I be doing in an employment agency if I already had experience? I'd have a job by now! All these career advisement offices in colleges and elsewhere don't really work. They take your resume, but nothing really happens. People who are timid, shy, etc, have an even smaller chance of getting a job.. But why should it be so? These people would work just as well as the cut-throat sharks, if only someone would give them a friggin' job! A high paying job is a privilege. "A JOB" is NOT! It should be something that is readily available to everyone.
The problem here is, that colleges, are first and foremost BUSINESSES, and only after that, places of education. If colleges were govt. ran, and working for the good of the people and of the country, there would be less useless degrees and more useful ones. And people would actually have a better chance of being employed for a damn change!
Obama only TALKS about improving employment... But nothing is really being done. Maybe someone like a doctor or a lawyer has a better chance of being employed, but what about someone from a poor neighborhood that didn't receive a proper education be it due to lack of money or being just plain lazy? It is these people that should get the most attention from the govt. Someone should care, someone should create agencies that track these people down and EMPLOY them! I live in New York City, and I am very dissapointed with employment agencies here. I am by no means lazy. I keep calling, and I keep going to these employment places. But I keep hearing the same stuff... You have no relevant experience, sir.. Your resume is lacking... Give me a fucking break! I am not asking for a high paying job here! I'll work for minimum wage as long as it's not McDonalds or cleaning puke in the cafeteria... How is someone supposed to have RELEVANT experience if no one will employ him? (all that being said, I am finally employed atm, after 7 years of unemployment! And I am not doing anything remotely related to my degree, which is NOT in LA)
Something needs to be done. This system is flawed. There is too much indifference, too much business and too little caring.
hanoverphist
Diamond Member
thats what i was thinking as well.
MrDudeMan
Lifer
How does anyone get a job then? How are there people graduating and getting jobs if no one is able to get any experience? The answer is that the job market is competitive and you aren't competing very well. You have to pave your own way and make it happen for yourself. No one is going to hand you a dream job or a giant pile of cash. Getting your degree got you experience that a lot of people don't have...the experience of teaching yourself how to learn. You should be able to demonstrate to an employer that you are quick on your feet and can learn the necessary skills to do the work. It's really not brain surgery, but it takes effort. You won't succeed your first, second, or even third time. I had to try and try before I finally got an internship, which then led to a job after working hard during the summers to prove how much I wanted it.
Not every college is like that. Mine was a place of education as much as it was a place of business. Granted, I went to a Christian college that focused on the students more than anything else and it was obvious. I got my engineering degree from a "liberal arts" school (accredited) and had a job at Intel waiting for me before the beginning of my last semester. People don't DESERVE jobs for going to college. You have to earn it. A degree is a tool you can use to help you in that search, but it is not and SHOULD not be a guarantee.
MrDudeMan
Lifer
Please point out where they said you are guaranteed a job if you attend that school. All I am reading is what every other school says to it's students... "We have tons of services for you to use to help in your search for a career."
Nothing on that page is a guarantee. If you went to college and somehow came out thinking you were owed a job for completing the requirements of the university then someone or something failed along the way. The point of school is to educate you and make you marketable to HELP in your search for a job or career. If you take it seriously and learn it is obvious and if you don't it's no ones fault but yours. The career services are just more tools to help you prepare for your job search. Anyone who thinks a college offering career services is guaranteeing you a job is just an idiot. There really is no other way to put it.
IAteYourMother
Lifer
You could move to France.
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