College Football Playoff

[smackababy]

Every team has cupcakes on the schedule.

Which is likely to change, after an undefeated FSU is barely ranked 3rd. Schools are going to have to stop having weak non conference games in order to be competitive.

 

[Genx87]

The Big 12 should be penalized for not having 12 fucking teams. They are called the Big 12... They have 10 teams and are called the Big 12. Fuck them.

lol great point.

 

[Genx87]

Which is likely to change, after an undefeated FSU is barely ranked 3rd. Schools are going to have to stop having weak non conference games in order to be competitive.

Eh FSU scheduled Okie State, Notre Dame, and UF out of conference. How much more difficult would people like them to schedule?

Yes these teams ended up sucking. But before the season that is probably the toughest OOC there is in college football.

That said ISU is a conference game. There isnt anything TCU can do about that.

 

[Genx87]

Strawman, TCU has the number 2 SOS in the 2nd toughest conference. Who cares about Iowa State? Every team has cupcakes on the schedule.

That isnt a strawman. People are asking how TCU can drop after whipping ISU? There ya go. Beating a 2-10 team 55-3 at home in a regular conference game doesnt impress the committee as much as beating the #13 team 59-0 with a 3rd string QB in a conference championship game.

 

[ElFenix]

Texas is the reason the Big 12 was almost destroyed a few years ago and why the Championship game went away.

There are 64 teams inside the Power 5 right now. Super Conferences would be 16 teams each for the four leagues, making them 64 teams as well. I see maybe two teams that are not in the five major conferences that may get into a Super Conference bumping out two in the Big 12.

big expansion (+ nebraska and mizzou insecurity) is the reason the big 12 was almost destroyed a few years ago.

The Big 12 should be penalized for not having 12 fucking teams. They are called the Big 12... They have 10 teams and are called the Big 12. Fuck them.

big 12 is penalized enough by not being able to produce more than 1 one loss team if it has an undefeated team.

SEC should be penalized for playing an 8 game conference schedule, thus avoiding 7 guaranteed losses. further, with an undefeated team the SEC can still have up to 3 one loss teams. that's just simple math. since rankings are little more than a sort by losses, those two create a huge advantage in perceived strength.

 

[SP33Demon]

Texas is the reason the Big 12 was almost destroyed a few years ago and why the Championship game went away.

Texas is also the reason why B12 teams make more $$$$$$ than all conferences not named SEC in football or Big10 over all sports. It's a double edged sword. The money is flowing and the football competition better than all conferences not named SEC, so I'd say it's a win for all B12 teams despite the penis measuring contest of the BCS playoffs.

Big12: on avg $21.3mil apiece ($213/10)
SEC: on avg $22.11mil apiece ($309.6/14)

The Big 12 will distribute about $213 million to its 10 schools. Eight will receive $23 million each. West Virginia and TCU, which just completed their second year in the league, will get about $14 million as part of a phase-in plan.

The SEC will distribute a record $309.6 million in revenue to its 14 member institutions.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/co...ols-thanks-to-giant-revenue-distribution.html

In the end, who cares? B12 may lose the 6 mil from the playoff, but that's still 207 million they are making from football alone. Other conferences would kill for that kind of money from football.

It doesn't end there. The Big 12 easily surpasses the SEC in overall conference money when considering all sports, and only the Big 10 is ahead.

On a per-school basis, the Big Ten does best with $26.5 million per member school from TV deals, tourney play and bowls. But right on the Big Ten’s tail is the Big 12, which collected $26.2 million per member school from those three sources. Further back are the Pac-12 ($24.9 million), ACC ($21.8 million) and SEC ($19.4 million). It’s necessary to note that these amounts don’t represent what the schools actually receive in conference distributions; the conference first takes a piece of the pot to pay for conference-level expenses, and some new or partial conference members receive smaller distributions.

The per-school breakdown is still useful, however, because conferences with more schools have a financial advantage thanks to a larger inventory to sell network partners and more teams that are able to fight for bowl games and tournament seeds. The Big 12′s earning power at a per-school level shows just how successful it has been both on the field and in negotiating its $2.6 billion TV deal with ESPN and Fox.

When compared to the massive riches of the major conferences, the rest of the college sports world is suffering.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissm...-valuable-conferences-in-college-sports-2014/

So the B12 can cry into its dollar bills that it didn't make the playoff. I'm so sad for them, lol.

 

[SP33Demon]

Which is likely to change, after an undefeated FSU is barely ranked 3rd. Schools are going to have to stop having weak non conference games in order to be competitive.

Says who? There is big $$$$ involved, more specifically from cupcake teams that want to play bigger teams. $$$$ talks.

 

[Adrenaline]

big expansion (+ nebraska and mizzou insecurity) is the reason the big 12 was almost destroyed a few years ago.



big 12 is penalized enough by not being able to produce more than 1 one loss team if it has an undefeated team.

SEC should be penalized for playing an 8 game conference schedule, thus avoiding 7 guaranteed losses. further, with an undefeated team the SEC can still have up to 3 one loss teams. that's just simple math. since rankings are little more than a sort by losses, those two create a huge advantage in perceived strength.

Texas makes money and wanting changes to fit them. They wanted to bolt the conference and other Universities had finally had enough of the crap. If Texas had left, the conference would have folded.

Texas didn't want a Championship game because it hindered a chance for a team in their conference to play for the BCS title.

Yes, I blame Texas' greed for causing no Championship game and nearly destroying the conference.

What conference is on the outside looking in at the CFP? Oh yeah...

 

[Adrenaline]

Texas is also the reason why B12 teams make more $$$$$$ than all conferences not named SEC in football or Big10 over all sports. It's a double edged sword. The money is flowing and the football competition better than all conferences not named SEC, so I'd say it's a win for all B12 teams despite the penis measuring contest of the BCS playoffs.

Big12: on avg $21.3mil apiece ($213/10)
SEC: on avg $22.11mil apiece ($309.6/14)



In the end, who cares? B12 may lose the 6 mil from the playoff, but that's still 207 million they are making from football alone. Other conferences would kill for that kind of money from football.

It doesn't end there. The Big 12 easily surpasses the SEC in overall conference money when considering all sports, and only the Big 10 is ahead.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissm...-valuable-conferences-in-college-sports-2014/

So the B12 can cry into its dollar bills that it didn't make the playoff. I'm so sad for them, lol.

Is there anything new in this that hasn't been out for years?

I did like how Texas got ranked when they didn't deserve it and ESPN got slammed for bias due to their ties with the BIG 12. Over a #25 ranking too.

Losing out on 6 million dollars is still losing out on 6 million dollars. As well as not even playing for a trophy.

It is sad that sports should be about winning titles and OH 6 MILLION DOLLARS IS NOTHING !!!!!! What a point we have come to with "Amateur Athletics".

 

[dud]

If you really think FSU, by any metric other than win percentage against different teams, is better than Alabama or Oregon, please provide something to back that up.

They are undefeated ... i.e. they have not lost a game since the beginning of the season. Each and every time they have faltered they have found a way to come back and win, regardless of their circumstance.

There is something fundamentally wrong with the new system as it requires not that you win ... but that you win well and impressively.

 

[ElFenix]

Texas makes money and wanting changes to fit them. They wanted to bolt the conference and Missouri and Nebraska had finally had enough of the crap. If Texas had left the conference would have folded.

Texas didn't want a Championship game because it hindered a chance for a team in their conference to play for the BCS title.

Yes, I blame Texas' greed for causing no Championship game and nearly destroying the conference.

nebraska lost lots of votes on bylaws 11-1. everyone from the big 8 was fed up with the crap the huskers had been pulling for a decade+.

as soon as big announced it was expanding, missouri pulled up its skirts and waved its privates around. these were tensions left over from the big 8 that the big 12 didn't fix, and probably couldn't have fixed.

as for the title game, neither texas nor nebraska wanted that.

yes, if texas left the conference it would have folded. that doesn't make texas a villain.

 

[smackababy]

They are undefeated ... i.e. they have not lost a game since the beginning of the season. Each and every time they have faltered they have found a way to come back and win, regardless of their circumstance.

There is something fundamentally wrong with the new system as it requires not that you win ... but that you win well and impressively.

FSU hasn't played the quality of teams the other top 4 teams have. Barely winning all your games closely against non ranked opponents isn't as impressive as beating ranked teams by large margins and losing against a ranked team. Alabama is a perfect example. They lose to a still ranked #11 team (whom they beat in the SEC championship game handily), but beat the #1 with little problem. FSU had few such victories. And while they did continue to manage wins, they just weren't quality wins. At least, not quality enough for them to have a case at being ranked #1.

 

[Balt]

Which is likely to change, after an undefeated FSU is barely ranked 3rd. Schools are going to have to stop having weak non conference games in order to be competitive.

FSU's out of conference games weren't the problem. They didn't have any more cupcake OOC teams than OSU and Bama did (eg Navy, Kent St., and West Carolina).

 

[dud]

FSU hasn't played the quality of teams the other top 4 teams have. Barely winning all your games closely against non ranked opponents isn't as impressive as beating ranked teams by large margins and losing against a ranked team. Alabama is a perfect example. They lose to a still ranked #11 team (whom they beat in the SEC championship game handily), but beat the #1 with little problem. FSU had few such victories. And while they did continue to manage wins, they just weren't quality wins. At least, not quality enough for them to have a case at being ranked #1.

Using this logic ... a team entering the season with a lack of quality teams on their schedule are doomed to fail (at winning a national championship).

 

[Fingolfin269]

I'm not an FSU fan by any stretch but one may come to that opinion based on how I've posted about them in this thread...

With that said, I do not see any issue with their schedule. We all consider them to be in a Power 5 conference so that should be a relative wash as it's not their fault how weak/strong other teams are in their conference.

They also have what I would consider to be the toughest OOC schedule of any of the other playoff candidates. Oklahoma State, Notre Dame, and Florida. Once again, you certainly can't fault them for trying. Sure these teams may not have ended up being top notch this year but when you put names like this on your schedule you certainly aren't going out of your way to schedule cupcakes.

 

[Ferzerp]

A 6-6 team, a 6-5 team, and a 7-5 team are tough?

 

[Genx87]

A 6-6 team, a 6-5 team, and a 7-5 team are tough?

When scheduling UF, Okie State, and Notre Dame. Is that what people expect? Come on this isnt rocket science. Even with those big name teams sucking wind this year. They are still tougher OOC than what Bama Ohio State, and Oregon faced.

On any other year what FSU scheduled would easily be the toughest OOC schedule in the country.

 

[edro]

If anyone thought TCU or Baylor was going to get in ahead of OSU after that demolition of Wisc, they are crazy.

4 MAJOR reasons OSU got in:
- Their 1 loss was 2nd week of QBs college career
- They destroyed Wisc in the championship
- Urban vs Saban is epic
- OSU vs Alabama is much more attractive than TCU/Baylor vs Alabama = More Money for All involved

 

[Genx87]

FSU hasn't played the quality of teams the other top 4 teams have. Barely winning all your games closely against non ranked opponents isn't as impressive as beating ranked teams by large margins and losing against a ranked team. Alabama is a perfect example. They lose to a still ranked #11 team (whom they beat in the SEC championship game handily), but beat the #1 with little problem. FSU had few such victories. And while they did continue to manage wins, they just weren't quality wins. At least, not quality enough for them to have a case at being ranked #1.

Eh Bama lost to Ole Miss, beat MSU by 5 points, and went to OT against LSU and had Auburn at home roll up 620 yards of offense on their defense. The most dominating they did against a ranked team was Missouri. Who got dominated by UGA and lost at home to Indiana.

So FSU is 3-0 vs current top 25 competition. Bama is 4-1. you think a pretty loss is worth more than an ugly win. That is opening a pandoras box to judge teams that way going forward.

 

[Drako]

Go Buckeyes!

 

[Balt]

A 6-6 team, a 6-5 team, and a 7-5 team are tough?

Do you think the South Dakota Coyotes (2-10), the Wyoming Cowboys (4-8), Navy (6-5), the Kent St Golden Flashes (2-9), the Florida Atlantic Owls (3-9), the USM Golden Eagles (3-9), and the Western Carolina Catamounts (7-5) are that tough?

If you want to criticize out of conference cupcake games, there's plenty of love to go around.

 

[Ferzerp]

Nope, but if you have both a cupcake conference and cupcake non conference games, don't whine when no one respects your team regardless of record.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Nope, but if you have both a cupcake conference and cupcake non conference games, don't whine when no one respects your team regardless of record.

And when do you think they scheduled those cupcake non-conference games? Do you really think someone making a schedule of OOC games with names like Oklahoma State, Notre Dame, and Florida* are trying to schedule easy games? Get real.

*Florida / Florida State is on the schedule every year. I definitely credit both teams for keeping this intact as long as possible.

 

[Pens1566]

A lot has been said about FSU not having statement wins. This is the last 6 weeks worth of defense they faced.

Total Defense rank:
Louisville #6
UVA #30
Miami #14
BC #12
UF #9
GT #63

And toss on Clemson without Winston in OT

Clemson #1


Bamas last 6 weeks

Tenn #34
LSU #8 OT victory
MSU #79
WCU 7-5 FCS opponent
Auburn #59
Missouri #23

Oregon
Cal #121
Stanford #5
Utah #73
CU #110
Oregon State #76
Arizona #102

Dont count the Noles out just yet. I suspect if they played against the defenses like Bama and Oregon had to defeat. They would have a lot less closer games at the end.

Eh, those defenses that FSU faces were also ranked based on having to stop ACC offenses. Not something I'd be bragging about. VT and Wake played to a 6-3 end ... in OT.

 

[Ferzerp]

And when do you think they scheduled those cupcake non-conference games? Do you really think someone making a schedule of OOC games with names like Oklahoma State, Notre Dame, and Florida* are trying to schedule easy games? Get real.

*Florida / Florida State is on the schedule every year. I definitely credit both teams for keeping this intact as long as possible.

Sucks to be them if they were trying to schedule a decent schedule, but the reality is that it isn't. Florid has been crap for quite a few years. Notre Dame is always extremely overrated, so I can only imagine that scheduling them is trying to schedule an easy win that would look good anyway.

Dislike it all you want, but with that schedule, and the numerous near losses, there is no evidence that they deserve to be considered very good. Putting them at 3rd is pretty charitable. Give them the 4th spot. Let them start out playing Alabama. Watch what happens. Oh well, too late for that now.