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College B-ball is worthless?

James3shin

James3shin

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I just can't seem to wrap my head around the disparity between the college and pro level. I can't but help look at the "stars" of the college hoop world and say to myself, "this guy is going to be on the bench or not even get drafted." For example, Tyler Hansborough is arguably the best college basketball player right now, and sad to say it but his game will not be much in the pros. It's unfortunate that the college level is not every indicative of how a player will do in the pros like college football. It's causing the college scene to miss out on players like Kobe, LBJ, Rajon Rondo (2 season of college bball), and Kevin Durant (1 season). Yeah I know, a lot of busts and misses from college football (i.e. Randy Moss, and Rasham Salam) as well but nothing like basketball. Remember Christian Laetner? Of course not 😛, just kidding, the man was a college hoops god, but then he got to the pros and disappeared. Same with J. J. Reddick, Greg Oden, Joakim Noah, Juan Dixon, Sean May, Adam Morrison, the list of College Superstars that fall to NBA obscurity is filling up faster then a CP3 stat sheet.

I guess you can say it's because kids are getting picked out of High School, but hey if you're that good why bother playing against second rate competition and waste time? Kobe, LBJ, and to an extent Kevin Durant (his year at Texas was ridiculous) had the right idea and went straight to the pros to truly improve their game and make $$$. College was not going to teach them anything they would need for a successful life on and off the court. With that said, I can't follow college ball too much except for March Madness (Derrick Rose was fun to watch, so was Mike Conley - both left college early) but even that gets boring to watch. Yes I said 'Boring,' buzzer beaters, upsets and close games where players are "playing their hearts out" are nice but the games have erratic paces. Maybe too much heart, and too little skill. I want to see the fadeaway jumpers with 2 defenders on the SG, the Derrick Rose/Conley handles (their brief exposure to college was nice), and vicious LBJ blocks, that seems to be limited to the pros.

I don't think we'll ever see [much of] a MJ, Magic, KG, LBJ, Kobe, CP3 or any NBA superstar type come from the college game. Go Lakers!

I forgot, Tim Duncan did stay all 4 years.
 
Originally posted by: James3shin
I just can't seem to wrap my head around the disparity between the college and pro level. I can't but help look at the "stars" of the college hoop world and say to myself, "this guy is going to be on the bench or not even get drafted." For example, Tyler Hansborough is arguably the best college basketball player right now, and sad to say it but his game will not be much in the pros. It's unfortunate that the college level is not every indicative of how a player will do in the pros like college football. It's causing the college scene to miss out on players like Kobe, LBJ, Rajon Rondo (2 season of college bball), and Kevin Durant (1 season). Yeah I know, a lot of busts and misses from college football (i.e. Randy Moss, and Rasham Salam) as well but nothing like basketball. Remember Christian Laetner? Of course not 😛, just kidding, the man was a college hoops god, but then he got to the pros and disappeared. Same with J. J. Reddick, Greg Oden, Joakim Noah, Juan Dixon, Sean May, Adam Morrison, the list of College Superstars that fall to NBA obscurity is filling up faster then a CP3 stat sheet.



I forgot, Tim Duncan did stay all 4 years.
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Wouldn't count him out just yet
 
Perhaps the NBA should implement a rule like the NFL. You have to play 2 years of college or be 3 years removed from highschool to play in the league. But I agree if you can play right out of highschool why not?
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Perhaps the NBA should implement a rule like the NFL. You have to play 2 years of college or be 3 years removed from highschool to play in the league. But I agree if you can play right out of highschool why not?
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you have to be 1 year out of HS
 
Maybe they need to start forcing the athletes to go to college, like the NFL does. That might pose a problem for the NBA though since their athletes might even be dumber than football players.
 
Originally posted by: Cancer12
Did you really just say Randy Moss was a bust?
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I meant Randy as a "miss" as in Pro teams missed out on him because he went to Marshall. Randy is a motherfucking BEAST and I still consider him the best receiver in the NFL.

 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Perhaps the NBA should implement a rule like the NFL. You have to play 2 years of college or be 3 years removed from highschool to play in the league. But I agree if you can play right out of highschool why not?
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There is an NBA rule that states that. It doesnt say you have to go to college, but I think you have to be at least 19 years old to be drafted?

The whole new rule started because of Andrew Bynum. Youngest player drafted and to play in the NBA. He was only 18.

The rule was put into effect last year. Brandon Jennings wanted to go straight from high school to the NBA, but he wasnt allowed to, so he went to europe and is playing there currently until his contract ends and he can enter the NBA draft
 
Well you really don't follow basketball I guess, since for the last few years there's been a rule about age minimum for the draft, which basically forces players into a year of college.

That's really the reason Durant went to college, and also the reason my beloved Raptors got forced into drafting the big italian instead of a 50 year old Greg Oden.
 
Originally posted by: James3shin
Originally posted by: Cancer12
Did you really just say Randy Moss was a bust?
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I meant Randy as a "miss" as in Pro teams missed out on him because he went to Marshall. Randy is a motherfucking BEAST and I still consider him the best receiver in the NFL.
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he went to Marshall because he was an idiot and screwed up any chance to play at a big time school like ND or FSU
 
Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Originally posted by: Genx87
Perhaps the NBA should implement a rule like the NFL. You have to play 2 years of college or be 3 years removed from highschool to play in the league. But I agree if you can play right out of highschool why not?
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you have to be 1 year out of HS
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Which is a damn shame!
 
College football players need the years to bulk up. Basketball does not demand the same level of physical development, if you are a natural you can compete at an early age. I have no problem with players going straight to NBA if they can hack it... probably better for the schools too to have talent for more than one year at a time.
 
2005 and beyond

In 2005, the NBA and the players' union agreed upon a new collective bargaining agreement, which requires that:

* The minimum age for entry into the NBA is 19; players must have their nineteenth (or later) birthday in the calendar year of the draft in order to be eligible;
* Players who completed basketball eligibility at a U.S. high school, regardless of their nationality, must be at least one year removed from high school.

The terms of the new agreement essentially ended the practice of drafting high school players, starting in the 2006 NBA Draft. The rules did not apply to the 2005 NBA Draft, and several high schoolers were selected, including Martell Webster, Monta Ellis , Andrew Bynum, Gerald Green, C.J. Miles, Ricky Sanchez, and Amir Johnson, who became the last player in NBA history to be drafted straight out of high school.

^^^From Wiki, you don't have to play College Ball, just have to be removed one year from HS ball...
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Perhaps the NBA should implement a rule like the NFL. You have to play 2 years of college or be 3 years removed from highschool to play in the league. But I agree if you can play right out of highschool why not?
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They did two years ago. That's why Durant and Oden played a year of college ball.

It's all a scheme by the NBA and NCAA and is very self serving to both groups. The NCAA can recruit a highly touted high school prospect and field him on a team in hopes of taking their team far. It sells tickets. It helps with recruiting. And it serves the NBA because it allows they a year or two to evaluate talent and character and it builds even more hype coming into the draft since those players are now playing in a much more public eye if they place an NCAA tournament game.
 
Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Originally posted by: Genx87
Perhaps the NBA should implement a rule like the NFL. You have to play 2 years of college or be 3 years removed from highschool to play in the league. But I agree if you can play right out of highschool why not?
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you have to be 1 year out of HS
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Which is actually worse than the playing straight out of high school or having 3 years like in Football. The really talented kids come in, take some crap course for one semester and then do nothing for the second semester while they play b-ball and then declare.
 
As slsmnaz mentioned, they do have to be 1 year out of college. But it is getting kind of crazy. I mean do you think these good BB players really give a crap about going to class at college? No use in forcing them to be there for long. They know it's a stepping stone to get to the NBA. It does kill some of hte collge BB skill level though as nobody stays anymore.

Also realize that NBA teams draft a lot of players based on "potential". It is beneficial for these guys to come out early. It almost seems like in all sports now the longer you stay in school, the longer the pros have to find downsides in your game and move you down the draft board.
 
You lost me when you started calling College ball boring. It is head shoulders above NBA as far as fun and excitement goes. The NBA has been a bit better the past few years with the resurgence of the PG position, but overall College is much more interesting to watch than the overpaid cry babies in the NBA.

It's funny, the argument you make against College ball (less super stars and players that could transition to the NBA) are actually what make it so much better.

KT
 
I'm no Christian Laetner fan, but he was far more relevant than most of the recent names you mentioned. Also, some of those players do get quality minutes, but play for smaller markets.

I thought Sean May would succeed, but I think he got injured and then fat. I also thought Morrison's game would transfer. Oops.
 
Originally posted by: actuarial
Originally posted by: slsmnaz
I'm pretty sure all future NBA superstars will have experience at the college level
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Brandon Jennings maybe?
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and look how that turned out for him

?I?ve gotten paid on time once this year,? Jennings said in an e-mail message. ?They treat me like I?m a little kid. They don?t see me as a man. If you get on a good team, you might not play a lot. Some nights you?ll play a lot; some nights you won?t play at all. That?s just how it is.?

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
You lost me when you started calling College ball boring. It is head shoulders above NBA as far as fun and excitement goes.
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100% agree
 
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
You lost me when you started calling College ball boring. It is head shoulders above NBA as far as fun and excitement goes. The NBA has been a bit better the past few years with the resurgence of the PG position, but overall College is much more interesting to watch than the overpaid cry babies in the NBA.

It's funny, the argument you make against College ball (less super stars and players that could transition to the NBA) are actually what make it so much better.

KT
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You're missing out on a lot by not watching KG, LBJ, Kobe, Michael Redd (injured), CP3, Devin Harris (stayed 3 years in college - wow), Nash and co. They put on a show, after a while, guys diving on the floor, full court presses and buzzer beaters are fun to watch like I said, but it gets old.
 
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