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Colin Powell will skip GOP convention

conjur

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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5660386/
WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Colin Powell, a Republican centrist who is popular with moderate voters, intends to skip the GOP convention in New York that will nominate President Bush for a second term.

?The secretary does not plan to attend,? State Department deputy spokesman Adam Ereli said Tuesday. He drew attention to Powell?s remarks last week at a convention of minority journalists that he was obliged as secretary not to take part in ?parochial debate.?

The Republicans gather for the four-day convention beginning Aug. 30.

With Bush in a close race against Democratic nominee John Kerry, Powell?s stature with both Republicans and Democrats who favor a cautious approach to world problems could be an asset to the president.

In fact, Powell has defended Bush?s foreign policy in interviews and speeches, dismissing Kerry?s assertions that the president is inclined to go it alone in dangerous overseas ventures and favors pre-emptive action.

Kerry has placed special emphasis on consulting with allies and other foreign governments. He has faulted Bush on the war with Iraq, saying the president?s approach alienated Arab and European governments.

In response, Powell told Unity: Journalists of Color Convention last Thursday that Bush took his advice to ?not act unilaterally? and made the case against Iraqi President Saddam Hussein at the United Nations in September 2002.

Yet Powell also acknowledged, ?The intelligence community apparently got it wrong on stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction. I do not expect huge stockpiles to be found.?

He said Bush officials knew that if ?the United Nations ultimately did not act, and we didn?t solve it diplomatically, we knew then that it might be necessary for us to solve it through the use of military force.?

Powell?s differences with Bush and his senior advisers who are more conservative occasionally is an issue. He favors abortion rights and affirmative action.

Think it's safe to say he won't be back (as he's said before anyway) *if* Bush should win in November.
 

Phokus

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Good choice. I think that's a clever way to show contempt for that asshole bush.
 

HardWarrior

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Well, considering that being part of the Bush administration has pretty much ruined his political career, I'm not surprised that he isn't going to be there.

(Hey conjur, how's it been going?)
 

burnedout

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Meanwhile, the Washington Post presents a somewhat different perspective regarding yet another "neo-con conspiracy":

But in keeping with tradition, Cabinet officials do not speak at the conventions -- or other campaign events. So Powell will not appear.
[you may now resume your regularly scheduled tin-foil hat party already in progress]
 

Todd33

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So cabinet member don't attend their parties convention? I fully expect them all to skip it then, I wouldn't want to start a conspiracy.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: burnedout
Meanwhile, the Washington Post presents a somewhat different perspective regarding yet another "neo-con conspiracy":

But in keeping with tradition, Cabinet officials do not speak at the conventions -- or other campaign events. So Powell will not appear.
[you may now resume your regularly scheduled tin-foil hat party already in progress]


Uh, they're not talking about whether powell is 'speaking' at the convention or not, they're talking about powell not ATTENDING the convention.
 

Rainsford

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Funny how you don't hear much about Colin Powell recently. My guess is he doesn't agree with Bush and Co. and they ignore him.

I kind of feel sorry for the guy, being Secretary of State under Bush has got to be like the little Dutch kid running around plugging holes in the dam with his fingers.

Edit: BTW, I used to say I'd vote for Powell if he ran for President, and I think that's still true. Never let it be said I'm a left wing wacko :)
 

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Why doesn't he just end the suspense now, and resign?

Our foreign policy is a mess, there are pots on the back burners that are boiling over, and his big boss is fixated on reelection rather than the administration of the government.
 

EXman

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That's too bad I like him more of the conservative that I like. not perfect but Boy I believe he could win 2008 in a walk as Black voters be out en mass crossing over to vote for him. Be nice since Hillary will be a tough cookie in '08.
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: EXman
That's too bad I like him more of the conservative that I like. not perfect but Boy I believe he could win 2008 in a walk as Black voters be out en mass crossing over to vote for him. Be nice since Hillary will be a tough cookie in '08.

Blacks don't vote skin color. They vote on election hype and wedge issues, mostly.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: EXman
That's too bad I like him more of the conservative that I like. not perfect but Boy I believe he could win 2008 in a walk as Black voters be out en mass crossing over to vote for him. Be nice since Hillary will be a tough cookie in '08.

Blacks don't vote skin color. They vote on election hype and wedge issues, mostly.

Naw some will idewntify with that and almost nothing else.
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: EXman
That's too bad I like him more of the conservative that I like. not perfect but Boy I believe he could win 2008 in a walk as Black voters be out en mass crossing over to vote for him. Be nice since Hillary will be a tough cookie in '08.

Blacks don't vote skin color. They vote on election hype and wedge issues, mostly.

Naw some will idewntify with that and almost nothing else.

This isn't logical in that it doesn't take facts into account. Blacks vote democrat to the tune of something like 95%, regardless of whether the candidate is black or white. Democrats tailor campaign messages especially for blacks, again, full of promises and wedge issues with a thin layer of "We care about you and republicans don't" just for good measure.
 

tallest1

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: EXman
That's too bad I like him more of the conservative that I like. not perfect but Boy I believe he could win 2008 in a walk as Black voters be out en mass crossing over to vote for him. Be nice since Hillary will be a tough cookie in '08.

Blacks don't vote skin color. They vote on election hype and wedge issues, mostly.

Thats not what I heard when there were rumors of him running for prez 8 years ago. I distinctly remember the people I know going heads of heels for him. And if he were to run, I'd vote for him in an instant. If he and McCain were to run together, they'd be the greatest pair to sit in the white house in decades. I wonder if they truly know how many people are clamoring for them to run for office.

But anyway, on topic, I think this is Powell's polite way of standing against Bush without ending up being interviewed on Foxnews the next day
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: EXman
That's too bad I like him more of the conservative that I like. not perfect but Boy I believe he could win 2008 in a walk as Black voters be out en mass crossing over to vote for him. Be nice since Hillary will be a tough cookie in '08.

Blacks don't vote skin color. They vote on election hype and wedge issues, mostly.

Naw some will idewntify with that and almost nothing else.

This isn't logical in that it doesn't take facts into account. Blacks vote democrat to the tune of something like 95%, regardless of whether the candidate is black or white. Democrats tailor campaign messages especially for blacks, again, full of promises and wedge issues with a thin layer of "We care about you and republicans don't" just for good measure.

It's 82% blacks voting Democratic according to CNN yesterday but that is beside the point. Nothing Like a rich White dem with Bling Bling sugar momma riding on a subway car yelling Bush sux Werd!
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: tallest1
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: EXman
That's too bad I like him more of the conservative that I like. not perfect but Boy I believe he could win 2008 in a walk as Black voters be out en mass crossing over to vote for him. Be nice since Hillary will be a tough cookie in '08.

Blacks don't vote skin color. They vote on election hype and wedge issues, mostly.

Thats not what I heard when there were rumors of him running for prez 8 years ago. I distinctly remember the people I know going heads of heels for him. And if he were to run, I'd vote for him in an instant. If he and McCain were to run together, they'd be the greatest pair to sit in the white house in decades. I wonder if they truly know how many people are clamoring for them to run for office.

What you heard was wrong. Powell is viewed by most blacks as an Uncle Tom (a VERY painful term when used against a black person) because he considers himself something other than a democrat. Keep in mind, I'm talking about the largest black voting blocks there is, those who are inner city, in overwhelminlgy democrat areas. You'd be amazed how strong the brainwashing is.
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: EXman
That's too bad I like him more of the conservative that I like. not perfect but Boy I believe he could win 2008 in a walk as Black voters be out en mass crossing over to vote for him. Be nice since Hillary will be a tough cookie in '08.

Blacks don't vote skin color. They vote on election hype and wedge issues, mostly.

Naw some will idewntify with that and almost nothing else.

This isn't logical in that it doesn't take facts into account. Blacks vote democrat to the tune of something like 95%, regardless of whether the candidate is black or white. Democrats tailor campaign messages especially for blacks, again, full of promises and wedge issues with a thin layer of "We care about you and republicans don't" just for good measure.

It's 82% blacks voting Democratic according to CNN yesterday but that is beside the point. Nothing Like a rich White dem with Bling Bling sugar momma riding on a subway car yelling Bush sux Werd!

No, it's completely the point. Considering how few black state and federal candidates there are, this proves my point. Really dude, I know what I'm talking about here, and I don't have a reason to lie.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: tallest1
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: EXman
That's too bad I like him more of the conservative that I like. not perfect but Boy I believe he could win 2008 in a walk as Black voters be out en mass crossing over to vote for him. Be nice since Hillary will be a tough cookie in '08.

Blacks don't vote skin color. They vote on election hype and wedge issues, mostly.

Thats not what I heard when there were rumors of him running for prez 8 years ago. I distinctly remember the people I know going heads of heels for him. And if he were to run, I'd vote for him in an instant. If he and McCain were to run together, they'd be the greatest pair to sit in the white house in decades. I wonder if they truly know how many people are clamoring for them to run for office.

But anyway, on topic, I think this is Powell's polite way of standing against Bush without ending up being interviewed on Foxnews the next day

Man, Tallest, you seem to be my mind-double today. I agree with that completely.
 

Pers

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after all of this... i have no choice but to admire powell's integrity. half of the inbred morons that support bush have nothing to gain but everything to lose from a bush presidency, yet support him because of their "morals" and ignorance nontheless. however, even though powell was appointed in the cabinet by bush, he still has the courage to speak out against the fvck face and show a little bit of loyalty to his citizens. too bad powell wasn't white, maybe he'd have a chance at winning the presidency in the near future....heh.
 

HardWarrior

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I had a lot of respect for him as well, but his UN speech decreased that respect by more than a bit. It helps that he was right about Iraq all along and ended up controlling a fair amount of the few good things that have happened lately.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
I had a lot of respect for him as well, but his UN speech decreased that respect by more than a bit. It helps that he was right about Iraq all along and ended up controlling a fair amount of the few good things that have happened lately.
It's too bad this Bush administration is putting an end to Powell's "American Journey". I'm sure he'll be finished with politics for sure now.
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
I had a lot of respect for him as well, but his UN speech decreased that respect by more than a bit. It helps that he was right about Iraq all along and ended up controlling a fair amount of the few good things that have happened lately.
It's too bad this Bush administration is putting an end to Powell's "American Journey". I'm sure he'll be finished with politics for sure now.

Agreed. Unless Powell is willing to go public with his supposed misgivings about this adventure he?ll be tarred with it forever. That would require the sort of honesty that I?ve come to see as impossible in our political system though.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
I had a lot of respect for him as well, but his UN speech decreased that respect by more than a bit. It helps that he was right about Iraq all along and ended up controlling a fair amount of the few good things that have happened lately.
It's too bad this Bush administration is putting an end to Powell's "American Journey". I'm sure he'll be finished with politics for sure now.
Agreed. Unless Powell is willing to go public with his supposed misgivings about this adventure he?ll be tarred with it forever. That would require the sort of honesty that I?ve come to see as impossible in our political system though.
If he's done with politics, though, as seems to be the case, he should resign right now and make a long speech detailing all the crap the neocons have used to dissuade Bush from acting out of thought.
 

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
I had a lot of respect for him as well, but his UN speech decreased that respect by more than a bit. It helps that he was right about Iraq all along and ended up controlling a fair amount of the few good things that have happened lately.
It's too bad this Bush administration is putting an end to Powell's "American Journey". I'm sure he'll be finished with politics for sure now.
Agreed. Unless Powell is willing to go public with his supposed misgivings about this adventure he?ll be tarred with it forever. That would require the sort of honesty that I?ve come to see as impossible in our political system though.
If he's done with politics, though, as seems to be the case, he should resign right now and make a long speech detailing all the crap the neocons have used to dissuade Bush from acting out of thought.

You are making assumptions.. Since when has Powell given you the right to speak for him? Quit stating things as 'fact' without any proof. Until Powell comes out and says otherwise, you are just assuming he has major disagreements with Bush and the rest of his administration. If he has them, and doesn't say them, then either his disagreements aren't that strong, or he is a man of no character. Either way I love how you guys turn on people you previously had hardons for when they don't do what you thought they were going to do.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
If he's done with politics, though, as seems to be the case, he should resign right now and make a long speech detailing all the crap the neocons have used to dissuade Bush from acting out of thought.

You are making assumptions.. Since when has Powell given you the right to speak for him? Quit stating things as 'fact' without any proof. Until Powell comes out and says otherwise, you are just assuming he has major disagreements with Bush and the rest of his administration. If he has them, and doesn't say them, then either his disagreements aren't that strong, or he is a man of no character. Either way I love how you guys turn on people you previously had hardons for when they don't do what you thought they were going to do.
My, aren't you sensitive and defensive all of a sudden! lol!!

BTW, here ya go:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1304129&arctab=arc

And, pick up a copy of Woodward's Plan of Attack.