Colin Powell verbally smacks-down 48hours Lesley Stahl

[Moonbeam]

Corn:
And you can support this contention how? Projecting again Moonie?
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And you deny it how?

Corn:
A more accurately phrased complaint would have been:


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How dare an ignorant reporter question the Secretary of State, who happens to be a retired general, about the war strategy all the while using such fallacious statements as "Yeah, but our, the rear is exposed."
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Slightly more complicated that Moonie's original complaint, but a heck of a lot more honest.
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Ah me, Corn, you do like to pump up your issues. I was just giving another voice to NightTrain's post:

Stahl: "Yeah, but our, the rear is exposed."
Stahl: "But you can't get your supplies, well you can't-"
Stahl: "-well you can't get the humanitarian aid in there."

These aren't questions. They are statements of supposed facts by an air-headed chirping bird to a 4-star general.
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It wan't that I was striving for accuracy. And how do you back up that claim that she's ignorant. Dead Parrot gave a rather plausable explanation for her words, no? It's probably just one of those things you can infer from the fact she's a woman, maybe.

 

[NightTrain]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's probably just one of those things you can infer from the fact she's a woman, maybe.

No just an idiot for trying to tell Powell his job.

Sorta like you want to do with Truman.

 

[JellyBaby]

I've been watching BBCNews on the "tellie" (when it's on here) and prefer it over the US news channels for war coverage. It's usually more professional, less opinionated, deeper, less repetetive plus it tastes great and is less filling.

 

[Moonbeam]

The rules of the forum forbid me from returning the complement, LightBrain.

 

[Corn]

I was just giving another voice to NightTrain's post:

Of course you were.

I read none of your other "voice" in NightTrain's post, therefore I must conclude that the other "voice" is simply repressed sexist feelings trying to escape from your psyche.

 

[Corn]

It wan't that I was striving for accuracy.

Par for the course.

And how do you back up that claim that she's ignorant.

I'll let you look up Leslie's bio at CBS. Let me know if you find anything listed that would indicate she's well versed in military strategy. Or, better yet, those "statements" she made, speak for themselves.

Dead Parrot gave a rather plausable explanation for her words, no?

No. Look carefully at the transcript again.

She asks for Powell's comments on all of them. It is a common technique to bring up topics that the person that is being interviewed has something to make a comment about.

By raising the particular topics you listed, she gave Powell the chance to give his take on those particular issues.

These are not questions posed for comment, they are issued as statement of fact attempting to discredit the strategy employed by the US in this war:

Stahl: "But you can't get your supplies, well you can't-"
Powell: "Who says?"

Stahl: "-can't get the humanitarian-"
Powell: "Who says?"

 

[sandorski]

Did I miss something? Where's the "smackdown"?

 

[Bleep]

The networks, cable and non cable alike have some of the most stupid people I have ever heard. Just about a hour ago this anchor person said "Well why are we allowing Iraq TV to put out these lies, why dont we just take over the station and put our own people in charge."

Between switching between this woman that looks like she is in great pain most of the time and another station that the guy speaks so slow that he can turn a 10 minute news blurb into a 30 minute epic.

Bleep

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Did I miss something? Where's the "smackdown"?

The 'smackdown' is me playing the exchange up a little. But, Powell effectively disproved every claim Ms. Stahl was trying to make about the war not going as planned (what war ever does?) or taking too long.

 

[Thraxen]

Did I miss something?

Must have...did you miss the "Who says?" portions?

 

[Moonbeam]

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It wan't that I was striving for accuracy.
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Par for the course.
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Par for the course to imply a dimension beyond what was meant. The accuracy I wasn't striving for was that I was reshaping somebody else?s absurd post, not affirming it's truth, but don't let complexity disturb your musings.

 

[Tom]

"These are not questions posed for comment, they are issued as statement of fact attempting to discredit the strategy employed by the US in this war:"

It's a matter of opninion of course, but I still think you are wrong about this. First of all we are talking about a transcript, not the actual video. And the segments that you say she is saying are facts aren't even complete sentences. I contend that these are issues which have been discussed by talking heads in the media. By bringing them up in the interview with Colin Powell she is giving him an opportunity to comment on them. She is not having a debate with him about it. As I said before this is a common misconception about how journalists work. It is not a journalist's job to conduct an interview with something by only presenting him with positions that he/she would agree with.

Can't you see the value of getting Colin Powell's opinions about these issues ? If you can then you should congratulate Leslie Stahl for doing her job, not belittling her for proposing tough issues to him.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: conjur
the phrase "chirping bird" comes to mind

He should have told her to "QUIT PLAYING DE PING PONG!"

Actually his intelligent rebuttal accomplishes a lot more.

Nobody was "smacked down". She wasn't debating with him, she was asking him questions. As the questioner she was voicing the opinions of his critics. She wanted him to give his side, which is exactly what he did. The fact that she got good enough responses that people here are talking about the interview means she did a great job. A poor job would have been if nothing noticeable came out of her interview. Instead of going home nursing a bruised ego which some here would like to do, she's going to be smiling and congratulating herself on a job well done.

Edit: Wrote this at the same time DeadParrot was writing his but we both see the same thing.

 

[SP33Demon]

Whoa, yowolabi and Dead Parrot have ESPN.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Whoa, yowolabi and Dead Parrot have ESPN.

How does coverage of Hockey and Basketball come into play?

 

[Tab]

Powell Completely pwned her....

 

[Moonbeam]

Powell Completely pwned her....
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Powell said nothing at all. He implied that things were going to change. He has no idea what the future will bring, he is only spinning it in a direction to his liking. Anything can happen. His point that people want to come here is irrelevant to the issue. People want to come here for millions of other reasons than the war. It's all rhetoric.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Powell Completely pwned her....
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Powell said nothing at all. He implied that things were going to change. He has no idea what the future will bring, he is only spinning it in a direction to his liking. Anything can happen. His point that people want to come here is irrelevant to the issue. People want to come here for millions of other reasons than the war. It's all rhetoric.

Did Powell say people want to come here because of the war? I don't see where he said that. I'm confused. Can you clear this up for me?

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't think you're looking for clarity, conjur, I think you're looking for an argument you think you can win. But sure, I'll be glad to play:

Stahl: ?How did we get to a place where much of the world thinks that George Bush is more evil than Saddam Hussein? How did this happen??(A question about Bush's unpopularity due to the war)

Powell: ?I don?t know that that is the case. (NOt meor evil than Saddam, no?) I think people are unhappy with our policy with respect to Iraq. Now, is there anti-American opinion around the world with respect to this issue? Yes, there?s no question about it. But when this war is over, and we have liberated Iraq, and the people of Iraq are facing a better life where their treasure, their oil treasure, is not being used to develop weapons of mass destruction or to threaten their neighbors, I think those opinions, those attitudes will change rapidly.?(Part of the conjucture I alluded to)

Stahl: ?What I?m looking at is a poll, really not about the war, it?s just about the United States, and our friends, it?s kind of, makes you feel terrible, India, Mexico, they have negative opinions about the United States.?(One assumes, perhaps incorrectly that the poll is recent, that it includer the US bullying and bribery in the United Nations regarding Iraq generally, the general mess Bush has made of international relations, all the crap that led up to the war, not just the war)
Powell: ?You tell me why then I have consular officers all over the world with visa lines going out in all direction, people trying to come to America. They want to be Americans, they want to go to our hospitals, to our schools and other places.?(Same as what I said, there are a million reasons for wanting to come to the US and none of them preclude a contempt for our foreign policy, just as many born Americans also feel.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: sandorski
Did I miss something? Where's the "smackdown"?

The 'smackdown' is me playing the exchange up a little. But, Powell effectively disproved every claim Ms. Stahl was trying to make about the war not going as planned (what war ever does?) or taking too long.

DeadParrot and yowolabi really responded well on this, so I leave it there.

 

[Napalm]

Powell is a pussy who is bending over and taking it up the rear from Cheney and Rumsfeld. If he is in that position, he might as well take it from a woman. I mean this in the figurative sense, of course...

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[Thraxen]

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