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Colin Powell endorses Obama (and rips Romney in the process)

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halik said:
This. It's really sad that what the far right is trying to instrument a "real Republican" to essentially amount to this stupidity
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Baloney. A real republican could never endorse a big government, big tax, leftist liberal for president. If you believe in obummer and his policies, you are obviously not GOP. I don't dislike Powell at all, but I don't value his opinion on the matter of presidential candidates.
 
PokerGuy said:
Baloney. A real republican could never endorse a big government, big tax, leftist liberal for president. If you believe in obummer and his policies, you are obviously not GOP. I don't dislike Powell at all, but I don't value his opinion on the matter of presidential candidates.
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So you're suggesting that loyalty to a political party sshould come ahead of loyalty to the country?
 
He has a good point. Daily Show had a good bit on how the Romney from the FP debate was completely different person from what he previously said. How can any principled person vote for the guy and have no idea how he would govern? He is what ever you want him to be, he blows in the wind.
 
Todd33 said:
He has a good point. Daily Show had a good bit on how the Romney from the FP debate was completely different person from what he previously said. How can any principled person vote for the guy and have no idea how he would govern? He is what ever you want him to be, he blows in the wind.
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That's what I'm getting at. If you listen his reasons for not endorsing Romney, there aren't that many points to disagree with. You can say those things don't matter. But then why chastise him for bringing up salient points.
 
PokerGuy said:
Exactly. If you endorse a leftist over McCain and now Romney, you obviously do not support the GOP and the values it stands for. Duh.
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Obama and Democrats are middle/right... so in a way he is still supporting republicans.. or what Republicans were about 10 years ago.
 
I suspect this will be 100x the "game changer" that Trump's announcement yesterday was (I know, that isn't saying much).

This will carry a lot of weight with independent voters. Powell, rightfully so, still commands a tremendous weight among Americans, despite his tragic blunder in accepting too much as true what his fellow GOP Administration folks were telling him back in 2003-incidentally many of those same people have been retained by Romney as his CURRENT foreign policy team.

In many ways his endorsement will be like the Clinton speech, as he clearly lays out sound intellectual reasons for his decision. Coming from a guy on the other side of the fence that carries even more weight.

If the GOP continues to throw out leaders (and voters) like Powell I pity them.
 
Powell lost all credibility when he signed on with the Bush administration. He became a war criminal when he helped implement Bush's war of aggression. The man should be in prison, not out making political endorsements.

His story is a Greek tragedy for our times, a fall from respected leader into utter disgrace.
 
Anyone who thinks Obama supports "big government" obviously does not work for the government. From the freeze of federal employee wages, and all the crack down on government waste by enforcing strict funds management policies.

How do I know? I work for the government as a private contractor. I see it from both the public and private sectors. Without actually revealing my job, I can tell you my job is only needed because of Obama's mandates, and my position is a Republican's wet dream. From 2003-2007, the agency I work for yielded overwhelming amount of waste that we have eliminated.

I am not endorsing Obama, but the notion that Obama=Big Government (or any democrat=Big Government) is just a simple minded bias lie.
 
openwheel said:
I am not endorsing Obama, but the notion that Obama=Big Government (or any democrat=Big Government) is just a simple minded bias lie.
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Yeah, it's all a lie, it's not like he supports more spending, a massive new government health care system, higher taxes, bailouts, stimulus and so forth. Oh wait.......
 
I remember reading about the Clinton administration being terrified in '96 that Powell might be the Republican nominee they would have to run against. It's interesting that he's gone from nearly being a Republican presidential nominee to an outcast - you have to ask yourself, has Powell changed, or has his party?
 
PokerGuy said:
Yeah, it's all a lie, it's not like he supports more spending, a massive new government health care system, higher taxes, bailouts, stimulus and so forth. Oh wait.......
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Do you think that is what he desired to do when he came into office? The only thing I think he actually wanted to do was healthcare, the rest was to try to stabilize the economy.
 
DominionSeraph said:
Given that he was a moderate Republican, and that "Republican" now only means inbred, uneducated, racist, mindless Conservative Talk -parroting idiot; yes, he is a Democrat.
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Right, because in life there are only 2 things. Repub or Demo, black or white. Asians and mexicans are black people!!
 
I can't think of a greater conservative hack than Charles Krauthammer, and yet he was practically begging Powell to run for president in '95.

FAIR - Powell Media Mania

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Instead, the nation's opinion leaders continue to pine for Powell even after his withdrawal. Krauthammer (Washington Post, 11/17/95) tried to pump up a new Powell-for-president balloon, in which Sen. Bob Dole would make Powell both vice president and secretary of state in 1997 and thus clear the way for Powell's ultimate destiny in the year 2000.

Krauthammer explained that this route could spare Powell "the assaults on his character, record and family," as if Powell's record in government is not a fair topic of press scrutiny. After all, Krauthammer continued, "what Powell shrank from in his fateful decision was not the presidency but the pursuit of the presidency.... I doubt Powell feels he is not up to the former."

Though Powell understandably might want as little criticism as possible en route to the nation's highest office, the reality is that so far he has avoided nearly all the media "assaults" that his fans are perpetually fearing. Still, Washington Post editorial page editor Meg Greenfield saw a press divided over Colin Powell: "The Gushers vs. the Trashers, you could call it," she wrote amid her own praise of the general's charm and wit (11/13/95). "I have been one of the gushers and I expect I will continue to be."
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QuantumPion said:
Does Powell even claim to be a republican? I don't think he is even a RINO, he is a flat-out democrat. So news story is black democrat endorses Obama. Big whoop.
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Take out Colin Powell for a moment, I started a thread and asked name one position Romney hasen't flipped on and the only thing I got was his opposition to pot.
 
Warmonger? The man stood right in front of the President of the United States and said it was a bad fucking idea. He held his ground LONG after that choice was already made by Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz and others. So much so that it was either unwillingly help or get crushed by the machine.

For that reason alone I value his opinion more than any other conservative POS who continues a sorry ass excuse for foreign policy.
 
Powell was asked to run as a Republican candidate but if I remember correctly turned it down because his wife didn't want him to run. He's definitely a Republican. At least he was when it was a party that normal people belonged to. It's been hijacked by nutjobs now. I'm not even sure what the Republican party stands for anymore.
 
QuantumPion said:
Does Powell even claim to be a republican? I don't think he is even a RINO, he is a flat-out democrat. So news story is black democrat endorses Obama. Big whoop.
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I logged on to see how long it would take for someone to mention Mr Powell's race in this subject. BTW, Mr Powell has been a Republican pretty much all his adult life. So who has shifted, Mr Powell or the GOP?
 
PokerGuy said:
Baloney. A real republican could never endorse a big government, big tax, leftist liberal for president. If you believe in obummer and his policies, you are obviously not GOP. I don't dislike Powell at all, but I don't value his opinion on the matter of presidential candidates.
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Ah, the "No true Scotsman" fallacy. So tell me, how exactly did a big government, big tax, leftist like Romney get the Republican nomination???
 
shadow9d9 said:
Obama and Democrats are middle/right... so in a way he is still supporting republicans.. or what Republicans were about 10 years ago.
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Except for his lukewarm support for minority rights, Mr Obama reminds of what was moderate wing of the Republican party. I would put him somewhere between George Romney and John Lindsay. Of course neither of these two individuals would be welcomed in the current GOP.
 
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