Colin Kaepernick vs RG3

[Imported]

No. If anyone has benefited from team skill/luck it was Kap. 20 different qbs take SF to the playoffs. There might have been 5 that could have taken Seattle to the playoffs.

Please. Kaep got that offense rolling to get into the playoffs and SB. The defense couldn't stop anyone in the last 1/3 of the season.

 

[mztykal]

I'm a Seahawks can so Im gonna have to go with Wilson. Lol

 

[Dirigible]

No. If anyone has benefited from team skill/luck it was Kap. 20 different qbs take SF to the playoffs. There might have been 5 that could have taken Seattle to the playoffs.

If you watched the 49ers all season and saw the difference between Smith and Kaepernick, you'd know how wrong your statement is. Kaep didn't just benefit from an excellent team. He greatly increased the capability of the offense, and that's speaking purely from a pocket passer standpoint.

Kaepernick's accuracy is tremendous. To use a baseball analogy, Smith could throw strikes but Kaepernick can paint the corners.

In addition, Kaep knows how to move in the pocket to avoid pressure without resorting to scrambling. So many cases where Smith would've taken a sack or thrown the ball away, but Kaep slides a little, buys time, and completes the pass.

Kaep did not show consistent ability to correctly recognize defenses and would sometimes freeze with indecision, unable to properly read the D, go through his progression, and make a quick decision where to put the ball. That's where he needs the most work, which is pretty much like every QB with less than a full year's starting experience ever.



I'm not speaking about any other QB, just pointing out that dismissing Kaepernick's throwing ability is a mistake. Despite being a 49er fan, Luck is my favorite young QB. I am delighted there is so much young QB talent in Kaepernick, Wilson, RG3, and Luck to watch and enjoy.

 

[momeNt]

If you watched the 49ers all season and saw the difference between Smith and Kaepernick, you'd know how wrong your statement is. Kaep didn't just benefit from an excellent team. He greatly increased the capability of the offense, and that's speaking purely from a pocket passer standpoint.

Kaepernick's accuracy is tremendous. To use a baseball analogy, Smith could throw strikes but Kaepernick can paint the corners.

In addition, Kaep knows how to move in the pocket to avoid pressure without resorting to scrambling. So many cases where Smith would've taken a sack or thrown the ball away, but Kaep slides a little, buys time, and completes the pass.

Kaep did not show consistent ability to correctly recognize defenses and would sometimes freeze with indecision, unable to properly read the D, go through his progression, and make a quick decision where to put the ball. That's where he needs the most work, which is pretty much like every QB with less than a full year's starting experience ever.



I'm not speaking about any other QB, just pointing out that dismissing Kaepernick's throwing ability is a mistake. Despite being a 49er fan, Luck is my favorite young QB. I am delighted there is so much young QB talent in Kaepernick, Wilson, RG3, and Luck to watch and enjoy.

Baseball analogy is fitting considering he pitched in high school and was drafted.

 

[HopJokey]

Baseball analogy is fitting considering he pitched in high school and was drafted.

He pitched two no hitters in high school.

 

[Childs]

Kaep. The only QBs I'd take over him is probably Brady, Rodgers and Brees. I do hope Wilson succeeds though. Can't wait for those Seattle vs San Francisco games next year.

 

[fustercluck]

At this point definitely Kaepernick, without a doubt. 2 less major knee operations (for a total of zero) than RG3, and he's with a much better organization/team/coach. Not to mention the playoff wins and getting to a Superbowl within his first 10 or so NFL starts.

 

[preslove]

For a long term career, Andrew Luck. The hits Kap and even more so RG3 take in the designed offenses are going to curtail their careers.

srsly
If you don't take risk of injury into account in the NFL, you are a moran.

 

[mikegg]

For a long term career, Andrew Luck. The hits Kap and even more so RG3 take in the designed offenses are going to curtail their careers.

Kaepernick uses his speed to escape more than designed runs. Niners just use him more as a threat and warning to teams than to actually run him like Tebow or Vick. Playing behind the exact same O line, Kaep got sacked 16 times in 218 attempts. Alex Smith got sacked 24 times in also 218 attempts. I'd say Kaepernick is less likely to get injured getting hit than a traditional QB like Smith because he can escape.

People think that he plays like Tebow or Vick or even RG3 but he actually plays more like a traditional quarterback but with escape ability and game breaking speed. And his passes probably have the highest velocity of any starting quarterback.

Moss talking about Kaep's arm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdDtIgwNWEM

Kaep's sports science video. Kaep was the fastest QB in 2012. Kaep also tested the highest out of any QB ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qeV5HSOKQY

 

[mikegg]

This.

Andrew Luck

Seriously though, what kind of question is this? How can you not include Luck and Russell Wilson in this discussion? Copper Dick and RGInjury aren't the be all end all.

Why? Because I thought RG3 and CK are similar. If I ask who would you rather have, Brees or Rodgers, do I have to list Manning and Brady too? :sneaky:

 

[BudAshes]

Really it's kaepernick because of harbaugh. If he can make alex smith good he will make kaepernick one of the best qb's in football.

 

[W.C. Nimoy]

Kaepernick uses his speed to escape more than designed runs. Niners just use him more as a threat and warning to teams than to actually run him like Tebow or Vick. Playing behind the exact same O line, Kaep got sacked 16 times in 218 attempts. Alex Smith got sacked 24 times in also 218 attempts. I'd say Kaepernick is less likely to get injured getting hit than a traditional QB like Smith because he can escape.

People think that he plays like Tebow or Vick or even RG3 but he actually plays more like a traditional quarterback but with escape ability and game breaking speed. And his passes probably have the highest velocity of any starting quarterback.

Moss talking about Kaep's arm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdDtIgwNWEM

Kaep's sports science video. Kaep was the fastest QB in 2012. Kaep also tested the highest out of any QB ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qeV5HSOKQY

Seriously? I can't hear the audio on my computer. Meanwhile RG3, a track athlete, wasn't faster? I'd have never guessed that.

 

[Childs]

Seriously? I can't hear the audio on my computer. Meanwhile RG3, a track athlete, wasn't faster? I'd have never guessed that.

Track speed vs game speed are two different things. And they said it was the fastest game speed they recorded. It may very well be that RG3 didnt have the same opportunity to have the same kind of run. In the clip, Kaep simply ran straight outrunning everyone. More times than not, you dont get to run up the field like that.

But just doing an eyeball test..Kaep is pretty damn fast. Wouldnt surprise me if he was legitimately the fastest QB in the league.

 

[MaxPayne63]

All these speed guys end up the same way. They get hit, hard, at some point, and they lose a step. Then it happens again. And again. And Again. Next thing you know their knees are shot and they're useless.

Speed QBs are good for a title shot if the stars are aligning in the next couple years. In the medium or long run you want someone who can throw and is smart enough to slide and keep the team's multi-million dollar investment out of the hospital.

Oh and I didn't really give a shit before but now that I'm out of my twenties I really don't like seeing things like we did with RG3 this year, with him limping the entire way on a rollout or whatever it was (getting old; memory failing) and still in the game.

 

[W.C. Nimoy]

Track speed vs game speed are two different things. And they said it was the fastest game speed they recorded. It may very well be that RG3 didnt have the same opportunity to have the same kind of run. In the clip, Kaep simply ran straight outrunning everyone. More times than not, you dont get to run up the field like that.

But just doing an eyeball test..Kaep is pretty damn fast. Wouldnt surprise me if he was legitimately the fastest QB in the league.

Ah.

Either way it's amazing he's even close to RGIII, however they're sampling it. Just hope both their instincts leave them with mostly healthy careers.

Anyway like others here I tend to bet on the traditional pocket passer in the long run, as much as that's looking like it's changing more than ever with this latest class. Pass as well as they run, just the fact that they're so good at running, just the temptation of having that ability can be a liability.

 

[mikegg]

Ah.

Either way it's amazing he's even close to RGIII, however they're sampling it. Just hope both their instincts leave them with mostly healthy careers.

Anyway like others here I tend to bet on the traditional pocket passer in the long run, as much as that's looking like it's changing more than ever with this latest class. Pass as well as they run, just the fact that they're so good at running, just the temptation of having that ability can be a liability.

I think RG3 is faster off the gates - thus the faster 40 time. But Kaep might have an overall faster top speed because of his size.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

Russell Wilson.

KT

imma say this as well. 'lil man wuz droppin' fitty points on teamz weeka afta week. rg3 is going to have a short carreer. kaepernick has a physical advantage, so hes less likely to be injured but i woulnt put him in the same class as wilson and luck. hes capable of really screwing things up sometimes

 

[Farang]

imma say this as well. 'lil man wuz droppin' fitty points on teamz weeka afta week. rg3 is going to have a short carreer. kaepernick has a physical advantage, so hes less likely to be injured but i woulnt put him in the same class as wilson and luck. hes capable of really screwing things up sometimes

Agree. Haven't seen enough of Luck to compare him to Wilson, but I would take Wilson over Kaep. a) I think Wilson is a better overall player with more accuracy, better scrambling, but lower top speed, b) Wilson's future is more predictable, in that he was the most efficient passer in college and except for a few early speed bumps continued that trend in the NFL. He throws INTs but I can't remember many backbreaking mistakes.. the Falcons game was maybe the most impressive and he had that fumble that Lynch bailed him out of

Call me crazy but if there was a QB draft, all things considered (cost, age, etc) Wilson would be up near the top for me

 

[eits]

rg3. what gives him the edge is that he's a better leader of men than the rest.

 

[eits]

Seriously? I can't hear the audio on my computer. Meanwhile RG3, a track athlete, wasn't faster? I'd have never guessed that.

"Put a stopwatch to the final 40 yards of his run -- with a full head of steam, to be sure, but also weighted down by his pads and his own choice to look back at Sanford several times -- and it comes in at 4.08 seconds, just a few shades under the official 4.41 he ran at the NFL combine."

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_21775473/robert-griffin-iii-touchdown-run-ages

 

[OBLAMA2009]

rg3. what gives him the edge is that he's a better leader of men than the rest.

how is he supposed to lead them from the sideline with braces on both knees?

 

[mikegg]

imma say this as well. 'lil man wuz droppin' fitty points on teamz weeka afta week. rg3 is going to have a short carreer. kaepernick has a physical advantage, so hes less likely to be injured but i woulnt put him in the same class as wilson and luck. hes capable of really screwing things up sometimes

Not in the same class?

Kaepernick had the 3rd highest QBR last year:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

And let's not forget that he took his team to the superbowl - almost single handily against the Packers and Falcons.

 

[Sixguns]

I will be shocked if either of them are still playing/starters in 7-8 years. Wont last long with so much running.

 

[goog40]

If you actually watched Kaepernick play, he very rarely takes a hit, especially hard hits. I've seen QBs take more abuse in one game than he did in half a season.

 

[mikegg]

If you actually watched Kaepernick play, he very rarely takes a hit, especially hard hits. I've seen QBs take more abuse in one game than he did in half a season.

Alex Smith took way more vicious hits playing for the 49ers than Colin did last year. Traditional quarterbacks take hits from a lot of sacks. Kaep can run away from sacks.