Colder now but still a good deal... Escort Passport 8500 - $269.96 shipped 2 day.

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MJGunn

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Ok, as someone who owned a 8500, and jumped at the chance to "upgrade" to a valentine 1, I feel the need to post here.

Yes, the Valentine 1 detected SLIGHTLY (and I mean it, only slightly) better than the 8500, but I wouldn't have cared if it detected 10 times better........the thing was annoying as hell, and the display was useless compared to the 8500.

Lets start with the annoying part. It was loud, especially that annoying chirp they're so proud of that pronounces a new signal. Lets say you're going into a parking lot with a bunch of stores. Now, those with detectors will know that they go crazy when you go into a lot like this. No problem, on the 8500, I would hit mute, and it would cut the beeps volume to a very soft "beep beep beep". The V1 would work like this as well.....until it detected another signal, at which point it would BLAST the "BEEEEEEEEP" out again at full volume that it had detected a new signal......then go back to 1/4 volume. Try this in a lot with 7 or 8 signals, and you'll learn to hate the thing real quick. The only way around it was to turn the main volume down when I pulled into a parking lot, and then hope that I remembered to turn it back up when I left.

Now, the display. Lets start with the worst offenders, the arrows......rarely correct. I would say less than 25% of the time they were right. I cannot tell you how often the arrow was pointed as coming from behind me.....only to drive past a cop 50 feet down the road. Now, the display is fine.....for 1 signal. On the 8500, lets say you have 3 signals. It will line them up, show you all 3 signals, what bands they are, and how strong they are. On the V1.....it will tell you "Ok, I'm getting X.....and K". And the number counter will be at 3. It will show you the strength of ONLY the strongest signal. So lets say the X is the strongest, thats what it will be telling you about.....meanwhile, you're getting a K band reading, which is almost definetly a cop, and you have no info about it other than the fact that its there.

Long story short, save your money, get a 8500
 

scorp00

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thx....I've been meaning to get another detector since mine got stolen a year ago.


:D
 

Sabs

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Thanks for posting the coupon update. I went ahead and ordered the 8500 along with the direct wire (discount applies to both). I've been meaning to order one for quite some time, but was just waiting for a bit better deal so I could more easily justify the expense.

I've heard opinions from many V1 and 8500 owners. It seems that for the most part owners of each love their own detectors, so I'm sure they're both great units. Above anything else, I chose the 8500 because it's more than $150 less. Even if the performance/features are a bit behind the V1, it's quite a price difference. There's no detector $150 less than the 8500 ($90) that would perform even close to it.
 

Blackforge

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Originally posted by: Sabs
Thanks for posting the coupon update. I went ahead and ordered the 8500 along with the direct wire (discount applies to both). I've been meaning to order one for quite some time, but was just waiting for a bit better deal so I could more easily justify the expense.

I've heard opinions from many V1 and 8500 owners. It seems that for the most part owners of each love their own detectors, so I'm sure they're both great units. Above anything else, I chose the 8500 because it's more than $150 less. Even if the performance/features are a bit behind the V1, it's quite a price difference. There's no detector $150 less than the 8500 ($90) that would perform even close to it.

I really don't think its behind. With the expert mode being able to track up to 8 different signals? (I think) this seems to be as helpful as a counter and the arrows if not more so.

Driving around since about tuesday using mine has been interesting to say the least. It turns out the small city I live in all the police I've seen with their radar guns on (or maybe leaking)... are X band!! Even wal-mart and cvs pharmacy's doors use newer technology.... Which I'm not complaining I guess. Because it makes them easier to spot.
 

Jaxidian

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I've never really used a radar detector before, so please forgive my ignorance here. I think I've decided to purchase the 8500. However, I don't know if I need or want the "smart cord" thingie. What exactly is it and what does it do? Looking at the picture, I would guess that it has something to do with automatically turning it on/off when the car starts or turns off, but really don't know (and am too lazy to research it tonite).

Thanks for the info and thanks to the OP and those who saw the 20% coupon was back!
 

Blackforge

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Originally posted by: Jaxidian
I've never really used a radar detector before, so please forgive my ignorance here. I think I've decided to purchase the 8500. However, I don't know if I need or want the "smart cord" thingie. What exactly is it and what does it do? Looking at the picture, I would guess that it has something to do with automatically turning it on/off when the car starts or turns off, but really don't know (and am too lazy to research it tonite).

Thanks for the info and thanks to the OP and those who saw the 20% coupon was back!

Technically it comes with a "smart cord". But it is a spiraled smart cord that plugs into a cigarette lighter. There's a Direct wire smart cord option that you can tap straight into a 12 v source rather than using a cigarette lighter. The "smart" part of the cord is the fact that it displays alerts and has a mute button within easy access. This way you can turn off your display on the radar detector so only you can see it and not the people behind you. Then the mute button will mute the beeping (there's a automute that lowers the beeps automatically) so you don't have to stretch to hit the detector's mute button.

 

Blackforge

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Originally posted by: Seizure
mhm. These go for about $230 on ebay. So is this really a good deal?

On that $230 ebay deal check how much shipping is (usually $10-15) if you buy from car toys for $239 you get free 2nd day shipping AND a full manufacturer's warranty.
 

Jaxidian

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Originally posted by: Blackforge
Originally posted by: Jaxidian
I've never really used a radar detector before, so please forgive my ignorance here. I think I've decided to purchase the 8500. However, I don't know if I need or want the "smart cord" thingie. What exactly is it and what does it do? Looking at the picture, I would guess that it has something to do with automatically turning it on/off when the car starts or turns off, but really don't know (and am too lazy to research it tonite).

Thanks for the info and thanks to the OP and those who saw the 20% coupon was back!

Technically it comes with a "smart cord". But it is a spiraled smart cord that plugs into a cigarette lighter. There's a Direct wire smart cord option that you can tap straight into a 12 v source rather than using a cigarette lighter. The "smart" part of the cord is the fact that it displays alerts and has a mute button within easy access. This way you can turn off your display on the radar detector so only you can see it and not the people behind you. Then the mute button will mute the beeping (there's a automute that lowers the beeps automatically) so you don't have to stretch to hit the detector's mute button.

So this $30 Smart Cord is nothing more than a visual/audio mute button for the radar detector? And splicing into a 12V source instead of a cigarette lighter (not that it isn't a 12V source) - is this the just for the smart cord or is this to power the radar detector? I can see how this would be nice to power the radar detector from the overhead reading lights' power rather than a cord going down to your cigarette lighter. Is that what this guy is?
 

Blackforge

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So this $30 Smart Cord is nothing more than a visual/audio mute button for the radar detector? And splicing into a 12V source instead of a cigarette lighter (not that it isn't a 12V source) - is this the just for the smart cord or is this to power the radar detector? I can see how this would be nice to power the radar detector from the overhead reading lights' power rather than a cord going down to your cigarette lighter. Is that what this guy is?

Yes it gives you the same functionality as the smartcord that came with the 8500, but lets you directly wire to a 12V source.

There's also a direct wire without the "smart" functionality. Supposedly you can make your own with an RJ-11 plug...
 

huesmann

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Too bad I live in Maryland but work in Virginia and drive through DC to get there... :(
 

Jaxidian

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Originally posted by: Blackforge

Yes it gives you the same functionality as the smartcord that came with the 8500, but lets you directly wire to a 12V source.

There's also a direct wire without the "smart" functionality. Supposedly you can make your own with an RJ-11 plug...

Sounds to me like the additional smart cord isn't really worth it. If you're going direct into a 12V source, you're most likely going to be splicing some wires. If you're splicing wires, why not just cut off the cigarette lighter adapter and splice those as well while you're at it?

Also, just to clarify (since what you said differs with what a previous poster said) - the muting functionality (visual and audio) is present in both the "free" smart cord and the extra smart cord?
 

Blackforge

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Originally posted by: Jaxidian
Originally posted by: Blackforge

Yes it gives you the same functionality as the smartcord that came with the 8500, but lets you directly wire to a 12V source.

There's also a direct wire without the "smart" functionality. Supposedly you can make your own with an RJ-11 plug...

Sounds to me like the additional smart cord isn't really worth it. If you're going direct into a 12V source, you're most likely going to be splicing some wires. If you're splicing wires, why not just cut off the cigarette lighter adapter and splice those as well while you're at it?

Also, just to clarify (since what you said differs with what a previous poster said) - the muting functionality (visual and audio) is present in both the "free" smart cord and the extra smart cord?


Yes. The Passport comes with a coiled smartcord that plugs into your cigarette lighter with the mute button and warning lights on it. The direct wire smartcord comes with a way to wire it to a direct power source and it splits off into a smartcord control.
 

'BARtMAN'

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still at 10% from what I can see (do you have to actually check out completely to see the final discount?)... I just got a ticket so I'm really looking hard now for a good deal. The v1 doesn't seem to be sold any where else but direct so getting a good deal on a new one is not an option...
 

eyeguy

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Beltronics BEL 985
Found at: 5 stores
Lowest Price: $209.98

same sensitivity
same company (escort and bel)
talks
 

amanoai

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The top three radars are the Valentine One, Escort 8500, and the Bel 985. These are the three tested to be the best and the price is also in that order. The most talked about radars are the Valentine and 8500. I'm in the market for one and I'm leaning towards the 8500, if I can't get a very good price on that, then the Bel 985.

I read somewhere that with a BB employee discount, the 8500 is around $200 plus tax, can any employees confirm this? Need to hook up with some friends if this is true. :D
 

qwiksilver96

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I drive a 500hp '98 C5 Corvette and I drive it like I stole it most days that I'm in it. I have a pink slip that would make any grown man cry as proof that Radar Detectors aren't foolproof nor that they provide invincibility. I got nailed doing an insane speed with Radar. I've since not hit those mid to high triple digits too often but I still drive it like I stole it. I need the best protection money can buy and cost is not a factor for me. There's the primer....

I've owned the 8500, the V1 and the 985, plus others. IMO, all others are a waste of money. PERIOD! First I owned the 8500, then got a 985 and then a V1. I owned all 3 at the same time and would alternate which one I would use from day to day. The V1 arrows are a gadget factor, but by all means not necessary. The bogey counter is included in the 8500 in it's advanced mode of operation. What I need in a RD, and what everyone else that speeds and is attempting to avoid a citation needs, is 2 things:

Selectivity: ability to accept incoming radio waves and select which are the real ones and do it effectively without falsing (there's the catch)
Range: still be selective enough to not false like mad while at the same time having the maximum range available

There's the why.....


The 985 went back within 2 days of buying it. I wouldn't give it to my worst enemy because it is a falsing POS.
The V1 has great range. It falses a lot and I could care less about where the cop is because when I get a hit, I'm on the brakes so hard that my passengers usually come out of their seat if not buckled in. My car has what I call an 'oh sh!t' handle. For those that know the interior of the C5, you'll know that I'm talking about the handle on the passenger side of the dashboard. Passengers are clammoring for the 'oh sh!t' handle when I slow down because of a Radar hit. The V1 went back (sold on eBay actually).
My trusty 8500 still rides perched high upon the windshield. Is it perfect? Nope. Is it the best according to my tests and driving style. I answer with a resounding He!! yeah! Oh, and for those doubting Thomases that still think their V1s are better, my good friend who is also a long time C5 (among many other fast cars) owner said the same thing to me and that was after seeing him a few months later with no contact. He sent his back too!

You can take this dialog for what it's worth, but if you want the best protection money can buy (selectivity and range) get the 8500. The V1 is still an excellent choice, you'll just get more false hits which, by the way still happens with the 8500 from time to time. Remember, if the signal falls within the RD's frequency range, no matter if it's a microwave oven on X Band, or a door opener on K Band, it's not a false from the perspective of sheer science. It may not be a cop, but it's still a valid signal. IMO, the 8500 filters out more junk than the V1.
 

Freejack2

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Unfortunately it's still at 10% off.

While I haven't been able to verify if they are basically the same as the 8500, the Beltronics Pro RX55 and RX65 in theory should be very similar seeing as Escort and Bel are the same company now. Just froogling the models (I haven't verified the stores integrity) I found the RX55 for $210 and the RX65 for $299. You can get more info on the detectors at www.beltronicspro.com.

For some reason since I've gotten this detector the cops have been out in force. So far the detector has picked them up every time without a problem.
I've had some alerts where it's gone off and I couldn't find the cop but being most times it was dark just could of been they were well hidden.
 

uwannawhat

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Originally posted by: qwiksilver96
I've owned the 8500, the V1 and the 985, plus others. IMO, all others are a waste of money. PERIOD!

The V1 has great range. It falses a lot and I could care less about where the cop is

..because of a Radar hit. The V1 went back (sold on eBay actually).

My trusty 8500 still rides perched high upon the windshield. Is it perfect? Nope. Is it the best according to my tests and driving style. I answer with a resounding He!! yeah! Oh, and for those doubting Thomases that still think their V1s are better, my good friend who is also a long time C5 (among many other fast cars) owner said the same thing to me and that was after seeing him a few months later with no contact. He sent his back too!

You can take this dialog for what it's worth, but if you want the best protection money can buy (selectivity and range) get the 8500. The V1 is still an excellent choice, you'll just get more false hits which, by the way still happens with the 8500 from time to time. Remember, if the signal falls within the RD's frequency range, no matter if it's a microwave oven on X Band, or a door opener on K Band, it's not a false from the perspective of sheer science. It may not be a cop, but it's still a valid signal. IMO, the 8500 filters out more junk than the V1.

I just bought a V1 not only because it is one of the best out there right now (or top 3) but simply because it is upgradeable. Other manufacture's make you purchase a whole new unit for a whopping 'NEW' price as the technology progresses.

For less than $100 you can send in your V1 & have it updated & be up to date with the latest guns out there.

Expensive? Initially yes! But the ability to upgrade is what sold me hands down.