Colder now but still a good deal... Escort Passport 8500 - $269.96 shipped 2 day.

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OrlandoTiger

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Originally posted by: Bas2000
does anyone own the Solo S2 ? how does it stack up against the 8500 ?

i personally prefer the wireless models and am looking for something to replace my Bel 936 with.

thanks
The only (semi ) close 3rd place model I ran across in most tests and reviews was a Bel model but I dont recall the number.It was the top of the line I believe at one time and another model is now out which I read retains the same electronics inside but adds a few more features to its older brother at more cost.

Tek you can google for the agency/city you are thinking of and may find comments in groups.However not as good as an official list...
edit- I believe the Bel model was the 985 although Im not positive.I do remember some of the tests were older,but these models tend to hang around several years before revisions come to market.
 

rootaxs

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I'd just like to post here what a fellow member of Maxima.org noticed about Motortrend's test of the Escort. It's worthwhile reading.

As most of us know, Valentine One vs. Passport 8500 vs. whatever has had MANY threads here on Maxima.org. Sorry, but I need to add one more. Anyways, as most of us know by now, Motor Trend declared the Passport 8500 the winner over the V1 by a measly 0.1-point and of course Escortradar.com and Escortstore.com are claiming "Winner of the Motor Trend 2004 Detector Test".

I'm a DIE HARD fan of my V1, so I seriously looked into the article because before I had never believed the biased BS of radartest.com and lots of other clearly anti-Valentine reviews. I like MT since I believe they are pretty non-biased plus they used Speed Measurement Laboratories(www.speedlabs.com), so I thought well if they gave it the nod maybe it's time to dump the V1 and switch to the Passport 8500.

So, I look at how SML tested and finally rated the detectors. Upon reading, SML chose 10 tests and MT chose the "weighting" of each and added 3 subjective categories as below:

Objective(STR = Straight, OTH = Over The Hill):
Band Type/V1 score/E8500 score/Weight
1)X STR/5.00/5.00/5<~~~~~~Tie
2)X OTH/5.00/3.30/5<~~~~~~V1
3)K STR/10.00/9.50/10<~~~~~~V1
4)K OTH/10.00/9.60/10<~~~~~~V1
5)KA STR/10.00/10.00/10<~~~~~~Tie
6)KA OTH/10.00/10.00/10<~~~~~~Tie
7)Combined REAR/6.00/6.00/6<~~~~~~Tie
8)LASER/10.00/7.20/10<~~~~~~V1
9)Invisibility/10.00/9.50/10<~~~~~~V1
10)POP mode/3.00/6.00/6<~~~~~~Pass8500
Raw Score: V1=87.75, Pass8500= 85.85

Subjective:
11)Ergonomics/4.00/5.00/5<~~~~~~Pass8500
12)Features/4.75/4.75/5<~~~~~~Tie?!?!?!?
13)Value/7.00/9.00/10<~~~~~~Pass8500
TOTAL(100pts.): V1= 94.75, Pass8500=94.85

These results show the Pass8500 won by 0.1pt for the TOTAL(combined Objective and Subjective tests), however the V1 clearly won the objective, ie PERFORMANCE, category by ALMOST 2pts~! So, that means the Pass8500 surpassed the V1 in the SUBJECTIVE categories, which are Ergonomics, Features, and Value. Ok, I'm not sure about you however I myself would rather have a better PERFORMING radar detector then a smaller/lighter or cheaper(~$100) detector, but that's up to the buyer which varies more then the damn MT staff testers!

Ignoring the PERFORMANCE vs. subjective importance, I noticed an inconsistency with their ratings. According to MTs' statement, "In each category, the top-scoring unit gets the maximum number of points with the remaining units scored against the category winner on a percentage basis.". Ok, they followed this rule in every category EXCEPT the "Features" category, where they did NOT give anybody the "top-score". Instead, they gave BOTH the Pass8500 and the V1 4.75 out of 5 points. Now, I've only used the Pass8500 once, but I'd be hard pressed to believe that the Pass8500 has more "Features" then the V1 ESPECIALLY with the arrows and bogey prioritization. Either the Pass8500 gets the full 5.00 or the V1, but then again it's SUBJECTIVE and to me not all that big a deal, however I'd be willing to bet MT would give the additional 0.25 to the V1 making the final score V1=95.0, Pass8500=94.85. Small difference still, but 0.15pts. is more then the final 0.1pt difference MT's "TOTAL" differed by in the magazine and all the Escort "supporters" are jumping up and down about.

MT recommends the Pass8500 "a slight nod" over the V1 for its "$100 lower price" and "ability to add Passport's optional ZR3 laser-shifting technology", which is a $500 option for a grand total of $800 for the Pass8500+ZR3. Although the V1 clearly outperformed the Pass8500 in performance, ie OBJECTIVE category, the $100 premium IN THEIR OPINION for the V1 isn't worth the additional X, K, Ka, and Laser protection over the Passport 8500, however the Pass8500 w/ZR3 laser-shifting is worth the $400 premium for laser immunity..
 

Freejack2

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The V1 has the advantage of the directional arrows and a little better detection range. However there is the issue of more false alerts. Many claim that there is not too many of them on the V1, but I can't stand false alerts of any kind.

The V1 costs $413 shipped 2nd day. So the total actual price difference is more like $158.

Also the V1's smart cord is another $39. While the V1 smartcord is better, all I want is that mute button.
Taking that into account and we're pushing $197 difference here.

Cops around here almost always have just one cop for a speedtrap so I don't generally have to worry about direction too much. The V1 is a nice unit, but almost $200 extra is a bit too much for me to justify it.
 

OrlandoTiger

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Those results pretty much verify what Ive seen elsewhere... Around this area, we could toss the x band results right off the top,they are meaningless as I havent even seen any small town units using x in ages. There is a difference in K,but with it you get a signal much further anywhere,so the way I see it, both get the job done.

The "deadly" bands are ka and laser. Ka band appears even on both... for laser both are worthless or close to it without a shifter anyway.If you are hit with laser,its too late... If I had it to do all over again,Id once again get the Passport.
 

TekDemon

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God damn you people...I just spent $260 on something I don't need. *sigh*

I guess I'll get home faster from now on lol.
 

LuNoTiCK

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Originally posted by: OrlandoTiger
Those results pretty much verify what Ive seen elsewhere... Around this area, we could toss the x band results right off the top,they are meaningless as I havent even seen any small town units using x in ages. There is a difference in K,but with it you get a signal much further anywhere,so the way I see it, both get the job done.

The "deadly" bands are ka and laser. Ka band appears even on both... for laser both are worthless or close to it without a shifter anyway.If you are hit with laser,its too late... If I had it to do all over again,Id once again get the Passport.

Whats a shifter? And how do you know what the cops around you use?
 

Freejack2

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A shifter basically blocks the lidar guns. Usually you mount it on your license plates and it greatly increases your odds of not getting clocked on the first try. The idea is the cop gets nothing so he retargets another part of your car. By then of course you've slowed down...
 

Fiveohhh

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Originally posted by: Bas2000
ingenue007, would you mind going in a little more detail plz?

cordless models normally aren't going to be as sensitive, since it takes power to run, and cordless models battle between changing the batteries every day, and sensitivity
 

X4N

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received mine today, now I just need to get my car back. :frown:

also found the site that does the wicked radar testing

http://www.speedzones.com/

that Bel must be new, cause last years (2002) it was just the V1 and 8500 owning.
 

Freejack2

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I got mine on Monday. It's not bad so far but I find the X-band alerts annoying. I ended up turning off x-band entirely. Hopefully no police still use it. :/
Also suprisingly enough I miss the voice my Bel 870 had. Hopefully I'll get used to and recognize the different band sounds the Passport has.

As for Bel they also have some new detectors the RX55 and RX65, I'd venture with Bel and Escort having merged these are just as good as the Passport 8500 is. I was tempted by the RX55 but it doesn't have a tech mode like the 8500 does.
 

OrlandoTiger

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LuNoTiCK if you dont know what is used by various agencies in your area ahead of time,you will soon enough as you road test your detector.Youll get to know it by sound alone eventually.Be sure you install it level which is sometimes better checked outside the car.If you get one,keep in mind its just an aid you cant go nuts and be unsafe and expect to not pay the price. In other words,dont be a lunotick! :)
 

Fiveohhh

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Originally posted by: Freejack2
I got mine on Monday. It's not bad so far but I find the X-band alerts annoying. I ended up turning off x-band entirely. Hopefully no police still use it. :/
Also suprisingly enough I miss the voice my Bel 870 had. Hopefully I'll get used to and recognize the different band sounds the Passport has.

As for Bel they also have some new detectors the RX55 and RX65, I'd venture with Bel and Escort having merged these are just as good as the Passport 8500 is. I was tempted by the RX55 but it doesn't have a tech mode like the 8500 does.

in the past 5 years I've had my detector only had about 1 or 2 at the most x bands hits that I verified were actual police radars
 

OS

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for owners, how often does this detector false on Ka band?

Man, if I get this, this will be like my 5th radar detector in the past year.
 

Freejack2

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I drove about 300 miles today and no Ka falses. Seems like a decent detector so far.

Edit: OS, Why have you gone through that many detectors so quick?
 

mdcrab

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I got mine on Monday. It's not bad so far but I find the X-band alerts annoying. I ended up turning off x-band entirely. Hopefully no police still use it. :/
Also suprisingly enough I miss the voice my Bel 870 had. Hopefully I'll get used to and recognize the different band sounds the Passport has.

As for Bel they also have some new detectors the RX55 and RX65, I'd venture with Bel and Escort having merged these are just as good as the Passport 8500 is. I was tempted by the RX55 but it doesn't have a tech mode like the 8500 does.

I went to the Beltronics web site but could only find "Vector" and "Express" series. Where are the "RX" models?

mdcrab
 

sixpackdate

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I had a solo, and it was of minimal use. My older wired escort works way better.

Someone said the solo was only good for motorcyclists? Don't they need it the most? Or are they 6v electrical systems?
 

Freejack2

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Originally posted by: mdcrab
I got mine on Monday. It's not bad so far but I find the X-band alerts annoying. I ended up turning off x-band entirely. Hopefully no police still use it. :/
Also suprisingly enough I miss the voice my Bel 870 had. Hopefully I'll get used to and recognize the different band sounds the Passport has.

As for Bel they also have some new detectors the RX55 and RX65, I'd venture with Bel and Escort having merged these are just as good as the Passport 8500 is. I was tempted by the RX55 but it doesn't have a tech mode like the 8500 does.

I went to the Beltronics web site but could only find "Vector" and "Express" series. Where are the "RX" models?

mdcrab

They are at the Beltronics pro site. Kind of wierd they did it that way. It's like a little mention on the main site and thats it.
http://www.beltronicspro.com
 

ingenue007

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Originally posted by: Freejack2
I drove about 300 miles today and no Ka falses. Seems like a decent detector so far.

Edit: OS, Why have you gone through that many detectors so quick?


because he probably didn't buy the V1 nor the passport.