Cold Fusion passes another test

[hal2kilo]

Hey it looks like there is such a thing as Cold Fusion after all. The nuclear scientist community said it was not possible.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45153076/ns/technology_and_science-science/

Next, I hope someone with really big bucks looks into Electrostatic Inertial Confinement.

Looks like the low energy concepts may win out over the all the really expensive Tokomaks, ST's, E-pinch and Laser Inertial Confinement projects. Trying to get plasma to play nice hasn't worked so well so far.

 

[woolfe9999]

How convenient that

Rossi has not published any details about the inner workings of the E-Cat because the device is not patent-protected

Maybe he should get it patented, like anyone else would if this was legit.

Unless or until I read otherwise, cold fusion is an impossibility and experiments that purport to show otherwise are a hoax. I'd like to be wrong about this because it would be way cool if it worked. But color me extremely skeptical.

 

[Matthiasa]

We already have a thread dealing with that... Though to be fair its in off topic since its not actually new.
Until something ends up in a major journal it is and will only be considered a hoax.

 

[DaveSimmons]

And I have a rock that keeps the tigers away

In this article even a true believer is only cautiously optimistic that this might not be a scam:
"There is not sufficient reliable information available about the E-cat for a rational opinion to be made yet, in my view," Hagelstein told Life's Little Mysteries. But because of these consistencies, "I am of the view that Rossi's claims probably should be taken seriously until such time as we have sufficient information that provides confirmation or refutation."

 

[hal2kilo]

Where is the 10x energy output than possible by chemical reaction coming from?

 

[Ns1]

Where is the 10x energy output than possible by chemical reaction coming from?

nobody knows cuz he aint tellin

 

[Fern]

If he can't explain how it works he may not be able to patent it properly. If someone later figures out what exactly is occurring they could reproduce it using a slightly different 'machine' thus getting around his patent.

I've worked with start-up tech companies, patents are not a simple thing and if you're not careful someone can by-pass your patent and steal your tech.

OK, I've googled and found something that better explains the concern I raised above:

http://www.inventorfraud.com/types.htm

Without fully understanding his 'invention' he is likely restricted to a design patent. What he really needs is a utility patent.

In my experience, a design patent is very risky and almost a non-starter in biz ventures.

Fern

 

[DaveSimmons]

Where is the 10x energy output than possible by chemical reaction coming from?

The hidden power cord to a outlet on the floor below?

This perpetual motion machine's design has been kept a secret, the observers just watched a demonstration that they hoped was not faked.

Without peer review and results replicated by others, this is not scientific research, it's a marketing stunt.

 

[Lithium381]

The hidden power cord to a outlet on the floor below?

This perpetual motion machine's design has been kept a secret, the observers just watched a demonstration that they hoped was not faked.

Without peer review and results replicated by others, this is not scientific research, it's a marketing stunt.

they didn't even try to hide it, it was hooked up the whole time apparently

 

[BladeVenom]

Where is the 10x energy output than possible by chemical reaction coming from?

Just because I don't know the secret of a magic trick, doesn't mean it's real magic.

 

[modestninja]

If he can't explain how it works he may not be able to patent it properly. If someone later figures out what exactly is occurring they could reproduce it using a slightly different 'machine' thus getting around his patent.

I've worked with start-up tech companies, patents are not a simple thing and if you're not careful someone can by-pass your patent and steal your tech.

OK, I've googled and found something that better explains the concern I raised above:

http://www.inventorfraud.com/types.htm

Without fully understanding his 'invention' he is likely restricted to a design patent. What he really needs is a utility patent.

In my experience, a design patent is very risky and almost a non-starter in biz ventures.

Fern

That's a long shot possibility, but if it is legit and he can't explain it I suppose he'd have to pretty damn careful since cold fusion would be worth billions (if not trillions). If this was legit, now would be a damn good time to hoard some Nickle.

 

[Ns1]

they didn't even try to hide it, it was hooked up the whole time apparently

WTF?

 

[DaveSimmons]

See how human-level artificial intelligence was "demonstrated" in the 18th century:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turk

Cold fusion of 2001 - Motionless electromagnetic generator:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motionless_Electromagnetic_Generator

"In 2001, Bearden predicted that the first commercial products based on the MEG would be "rolling off the production lines in about one year",[2] and as early as 2002 claimed to have a prototype of the device that produced "100 times more power out than was input""

 

[dmcowen674]

Cold Fusion passes another test

Hey it looks like there is such a thing as Cold Fusion after all. The nuclear scientist community said it was not possible.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45153076/ns/technology_and_science-science/

Next, I hope someone with really big bucks looks into Electrostatic Inertial Confinement.

Looks like the low energy concepts may win out over the all the really expensive Tokomaks, ST's, E-pinch and Laser Inertial Confinement projects. Trying to get plasma to play nice hasn't worked so well so far.

If man could ever replicate the power of the Sun, the Energy Corporations will make sure we will never see it.

 

[Ns1]

See how human-level artificial intelligence was "demonstrated" in the 18th century:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turk

I can't believe I just read that whole thing

 

[Paul98]

Hey it looks like there is such a thing as Cold Fusion after all. The nuclear scientist community said it was not possible.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45153076/ns/technology_and_science-science/

Next, I hope someone with really big bucks looks into Electrostatic Inertial Confinement.

Looks like the low energy concepts may win out over the all the really expensive Tokomaks, ST's, E-pinch and Laser Inertial Confinement projects. Trying to get plasma to play nice hasn't worked so well so far.

LOL, I think you mean he claims. There is nothing here other than baseless claims. Just a hoax to make money and get attention. It will always be just a few months or a few years away, to milk more money out of this hoax. Just look at this guys background. I really wish I was and wrong and would love to have this guy prove me wrong as it would be a huge breakthrough. But this is just a scam, and it's sad that the main stream media and so many other people are falling for it.

 

[bfdd]

How convenient that



Maybe he should get it patented, like anyone else would if this was legit.

Unless or until I read otherwise, cold fusion is an impossibility and experiments that purport to show otherwise are a hoax. I'd like to be wrong about this because it would be way cool if it worked. But color me extremely skeptical.

His patent, if I remember reading correctly, was shot down due people not believing it was possible due to the laws of thermodynamics. So now he has to make one, prove it works, patent it, then make more.

 

[wuliheron]

The original cold fusion experiment was discovered to be using ambient energy from the environment. Basically an inefficient solar power collector. What we need is cheap solar power and energy storage solutions. Some already exist that are extremely worthwhile like solar hot water preheaters that can pay for themselves almost immediately, but when we get to solar power roofing shingles then you'll know we've finally arrived.

 

[bfdd]

The original cold fusion experiment was discovered to be using ambient energy from the environment. Basically an inefficient solar power collector. What we need is cheap solar power and energy storage solutions. Some already exist that are extremely worthwhile like solar hot water preheaters that can pay for themselves almost immediately, but when we get to solar power roofing shingles then you'll know we've finally arrived.

Yeah our push for solar here has been absolutely retarded. It should have started like it did in China, getting everyone to switch to a hot water preheater or water heater. They're so fucking cheap it's ridiculous. My father and I are looking to make one. We're talking about making a solar thermal steam generator(or at least trying) for shits and giggles as well.

 

[M0RPH]

This thing is probably about as fake as one of Rossi's degrees, obtained from some diploma mill called Kensington University.

 

[a777pilot]

Sounds great but 1. Physicists will never believe that chemists can do what they can't. and 2. If there was anything to this, the inventor would be dead. There is no way the oil barons would let something like this out.

 

[wuliheron]

Yeah our push for solar here has been absolutely retarded. It should have started like it did in China, getting everyone to switch to a hot water preheater or water heater. They're so fucking cheap it's ridiculous. My father and I are looking to make one. We're talking about making a solar thermal steam generator(or at least trying) for shits and giggles as well.

The only reason solar is even back on the menu now is because of the nano technology push. The oil companies could suppress a lot of research and widespread adoption of things like water preheaters, but nano technology is in their own best interest as well as solar, electronics, defense, etc.

 

[Modelworks]

I'll believe it when it is published and reviewed.
He3 is the answer to the energy problems, too bad the USA killed its space program, don't worry though, China has already started preparing for it and we can always buy from them. That worked so well for oil.



http://www.monstersandcritics.com/n...CKGROUND-Magic-Ship-to-visit-Palace-of-Heaven

Oct 31, 2011
China will then begin the launches that are scheduled to lead to the assembly of its first permanent space station around 2020.
China has already launched two lunar probes in its Chang'e programme, which is named after a Chinese moon goddess.
Chang'e-2 was launched in October 2010 to prepare for the country's first unmanned moon landing scheduled for 2013.

Chang'e-3 will feature a first lunar rover designed to be followed around 2017 by another rover capable of returning to Earth with mineral samples.
Scientists said last year that one focus of China's lunar soil analysis would be the level of helium-3, an isotope that could potentially be used in nuclear fusion in the future.

http://www.satnews.com/cgi-bin/story.cgi?number=1599862569

Las Cruces - A U.S. space entrepreneur, Robert Bigelow, has sounded alarm that China could own large portions of the moon by 2026, edging out the United States in the race for ownership of the Moon.

Mr. Bigelow made this warning at the 2011 International Symposium for Personal and Commercial Spaceflight on Wednesday.

Robert Bigelow, according to Space.com, said China's growing technological capability, economic buoyancy, motivation and will to win the space race to "own the moon" places it at advantage to the U.S. which he said is still "basking in the lunar glory from 40 years ago." Bigelow said that in spite of the U.S. still looking back to its glorious past as the first nation to land a man on the Moon,

"...we don’t own one square foot of the damn place. NASA is a shadow of the space agency it once was in the 1960s and 1970s."

The American space entrepreneur, whose company Bigelow Aerospace, is building human colony labs and private inflatable space modules for both government and commercial ventures, said under present international laws, any nation could claim ownership of lunar territory it occupies through continuous human presence.

Mr. Bigleow spoke of the potential benefits of staking out a claim to lunar territory. Lunar territory could bring great economic and financial benefits to a country, Mr. Bigelow explained. The lunar surface contains vast resources, such as helium-3, which could become a fuel for nuclear fission. The lunar surface could also become, in the future, an important base for launching space explorations. Owning large swathes of lunar territory could also be a matter of national prestige.

 

[Paul98]

NASA killed it's space program? tell that to all the probes, and other things they are sending up.

 

[Modelworks]

NASA killed it's space program? tell that to all the probes, and other things they are sending up.

It doesn't have the funding it needs to compete anymore. China, even India are outdoing us in space now. We even rely on Russia now.