Coheed and Cambria

destrekor

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im going to be going to their concert here in Toledo on Tuesday, and have never been to a concert of theirs or any band similar. what should I expect? are there gonna be moshers or mostly just those people mostly standing around getting into the music?
i expect to be um... yea, and just want to chill there and get myself deep into the music, as i've heard they put on amazing shows with long instrumental periods between actually singing. am I going to be bothered by the scenesters that want to mosh to anything? I'm listening to some stuff from the openers and they sound like mosh-worthy bands, but I'm hoping it doesn't happen much during Coheed.
im not a mosher, if you can't tell... and while it doesn't bother me at harder concerts, a Coheed concert seems like one where its best to be mellowed out to truely enjoy the deepness of the lyrics.

anyone?

edit:
oi, what sucks is one of the opening acts is a damned hardcore metalcore band that, unlike acts such as Atreyu and Underoath (both of which I happen to like) that sing, this one is pure scream... no fun. maybe someone has heard of them: Dillinger Escape Plan. yea, i hate them now. lol that will be the most dreadful part of the concert. hard to imagine them opening for an indie act like Coheed and Cambria.

update:
as for the show itself: damn it was great. i liked 3, chiodos was decent but on the verge of not that great, and dillenger got annoying because of the lead singer, i got to drowning him out and listening to the band itself.
coheed, however.... i'd have to say that was the best show I have ever been too. claudio was brilliant as always, however the drummer and bassist (mike, i think) were not present, in favor of some replacements, due to personal reasons (and claudio even went on to say the future of the band is unknown at the moment, but i need burning star IV vol 2 before they quit, but I also want another album after that so I can hear original lyrics that aren't attached to an overall story)...
welcome home came on, at this point the crowd begging for it as well.. and i got depressed, because as mentioned earlier, it was the second to last song. it's an amazing song, my favorite (along with the final cut), and they played it amazingly, the crowd loved it too. after that was the final cut, with about 4 minutes of vocals and 10 minutes or so of claudio and the bassist going at it. gave me an audiogasm me thinks lmao... then it was over, and i could have listened to them play it for an hour... favorite moments of the final cut were when claudio played above and behind his head, and when he brought out a violen bow and played the guitar using it... damn it sounded beautiful.
that concert will be in my head for a long time.

now my next concert i have to go to to complete my goal in life is seeing mars volta...
 

amicold

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Are you 16?

Go to the show and enjoy it. Scenesters dance to anything, you're probably one yourself, so get used to it. If you want mellow, go smoke some doobs and put a CD on. I can't believe you called C&C indie either. I also get the feeling you've never been to a show before, because of your nervousness and you called it a concert, but I doubt it's filling a stadium or arena of any sort. Probably some craphole venue in the city.
 

eits

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i've seen them twice... awesome as hell both times.

they're not emo music, so stfu with that already. christ.

edit: they WERE indie... unfortunately, they got all commercial on me. however, they still sound the same as they did whenever they were unknown, so they're still awesome and have my respect.
 

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Originally posted by: eits
i've seen them twice... awesome as hell both times.

they're not emo music, so stfu with that already. christ.

they sure as hell arent "indie"
 

eits

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Originally posted by: BoldAsLove
Originally posted by: eits
i've seen them twice... awesome as hell both times.

they're not emo music, so stfu with that already. christ.

they sure as hell arent "indie"


edit: they WERE indie... unfortunately, they got all commercial on me. however, they still sound the same as they did whenever they were unknown, so they're still awesome and have my respect.
 

SP33Demon

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OP, I went to the Aug 3rd show in Columbus at the Commonwealth Pavilion (smaller indoor venue), first time seeing them live... one word: incredible. Even my friend who had never heard of them agreed they were sick... their finale for The Final Cut (their tribute to Pink Floyd), which is normally a 6 minute song, was turned into a 20 minute guitar solo orgy: Claudio and Travis dueling on guitars for 15 minutes. I don't think they did that at the Lollapalooza show since there were more bands headlining but they will probably do it for the Toledo show since it's a smaller venue. If I actually lived in the area, I would have taken off and gone to the Toledo show as well.

Like eits was saying in this thread, CoCa used to be indie but then blew up with Apollo IV. However, many peeps still don't know about them and I hope it stays that way so I can catch them at a small venue again. IMO they're easily the best prog rock band right now, hands down.

PS: You're right, the Dillenger Escape Plan absolutely blew, I don't know how to say this but: I kept hoping one of the speakers would fall on the lead singer's head so he would stfu, he was literally screaming the whole time. Plus he's dressed like a frat boy, while the lead singer is dressed like a death metal guitarist. Hard to take some punk with no musical talent and dressed as a frat boy singing in a death metal band seriously. In fact, someone in the crowd yelled YOU SUCK at him and he retorted with a yo mama joke. My advice, just hit up the bar while that absolute joke of a band is on or bring earplugs, it's like white noise turned up 10 dB w/ screaming mixed in. CoCa needs to get some real bands like Mars Volta touring with them vice screaming crap bands.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
OP, I went to the Aug 3rd show in Columbus at the Commonwealth Pavilion (smaller indoor venue), first time seeing them live... one word: incredible. Even my friend who had never heard of them agreed they were sick... their finale for The Final Cut (their tribute to Pink Floyd), which is normally a 6 minute song, was turned into a 20 minute guitar solo orgy: Claudio and Travis dueling on guitars for 15 minutes. I don't think they did that at the Lollapalooza show since there were more bands headlining but they will probably do it for the Toledo show since it's a smaller venue. If I actually lived in the area, I would have taken off and gone to the Toledo show as well.

Like eits was saying in this thread, CoCa used to be indie but then blew up with Apollo IV. However, many peeps still don't know about them and I hope it stays that way so I can catch them at a small venue again. IMO they're easily the best prog rock band right now, hands down.

PS: You're right, the Dillenger Escape Plan absolutely blew, I don't know how to say this but: I kept hoping one of the speakers would fall on the lead singer's head so he would stfu, he was literally screaming the whole time. Plus he's dressed like a frat boy, while the lead singer is dressed like a death metal guitarist. Hard to take some punk with no musical talent and dressed as a frat boy singing in a death metal band seriously. In fact, someone in the crowd yelled YOU SUCK at him and he retorted with a yo mama joke. My advice, just hit up the bar while that absolute joke of a band is on or bring earplugs, it's like white noise turned up 10 dB w/ screaming mixed in. CoCa needs to get some real bands like Mars Volta touring with them vice screaming crap bands.

deer god Mars Volta would never tour with them... they would want to headline too, considering the amount of guitar heaven I have heard that they put on, much similar to what you described for Coheed.

either way, I'd still say they are indie, because while they are not indie in terms of musical popularity, their music style hasn't changed to the point that they sound mainstream. and Claudio is still writing the same with the same concept story as the base, just new chapters.

but agreed, they are far removed from emo, not even a hint of emo in their music. its story writing.

but the other two bands, '3' and 'Chiodos' sound pretty decent from the online links. not sure if they are the same bands who played at the Columbus show or not.
 

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I saw Coheed w/ Avenged Sevenfold not long ago and they were decent I guess. They have an interesting style and I was digging the guitar riffs... I think it's the vocalist that gets to me w/ that girly voice. No moshing at all - lots of p*ssy fans. A7X on the otherhand blew me away - best concert I've been to hands down!
 

Ika

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if I want to hear girls sing, I'll go WATCH girls sing.

That's pretty much the only thing about C&C that turns me off, though, and the reason why I'll never listen to them. Rather unfortunate, but I'm picky about my vocals.
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: Aflac
if I want to hear girls sing, I'll go WATCH girls sing.

That's pretty much the only thing about C&C that turns me off, though, and the reason why I'll never listen to them. Rather unfortunate, but I'm picky about my vocals.
He sounds just like the guy from Rush, but you probably don't like them either. Welcome Home is a monster of a song and I think it even trumps Rush's best stuff.

 

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Originally posted by: Aflac
if I want to hear girls sing, I'll go WATCH girls sing.

That's pretty much the only thing about C&C that turns me off, though, and the reason why I'll never listen to them. Rather unfortunate, but I'm picky about my vocals.

ditto
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: SirChadwick
I saw Coheed w/ Avenged Sevenfold not long ago and they were decent I guess. They have an interesting style and I was digging the guitar riffs... I think it's the vocalist that gets to me w/ that girly voice. No moshing at all - lots of p*ssy fans. A7X on the otherhand blew me away - best concert I've been to hands down!

no moshing isn't a sign of pussy fans, its a sign of a mellow crowd.. the type of crowd that I'd expect for Coheed. Thats not what I require, but its one concert where I just wanna mellow out to as well. Same with Mars Volta... get a lil sumsum goin and mellow. now if it were a band like Avenged, hell no I wouldn't be mellow. But thats not the type of music.

and SP33Demon... you got me hoping for a 20min version of The Final Cut... just gave that one another listen and damn the guitar riffs would be amazing to hear :)
 

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
OP, I went to the Aug 3rd show in Columbus at the Commonwealth Pavilion (smaller indoor venue), first time seeing them live... one word: incredible. Even my friend who had never heard of them agreed they were sick... their finale for The Final Cut (their tribute to Pink Floyd), which is normally a 6 minute song, was turned into a 20 minute guitar solo orgy: Claudio and Travis dueling on guitars for 15 minutes. I don't think they did that at the Lollapalooza show since there were more bands headlining but they will probably do it for the Toledo show since it's a smaller venue. If I actually lived in the area, I would have taken off and gone to the Toledo show as well.

Like eits was saying in this thread, CoCa used to be indie but then blew up with Apollo IV. However, many peeps still don't know about them and I hope it stays that way so I can catch them at a small venue again. IMO they're easily the best prog rock band right now, hands down.

PS: You're right, the Dillenger Escape Plan absolutely blew, I don't know how to say this but: I kept hoping one of the speakers would fall on the lead singer's head so he would stfu, he was literally screaming the whole time. Plus he's dressed like a frat boy, while the lead singer is dressed like a death metal guitarist. Hard to take some punk with no musical talent and dressed as a frat boy singing in a death metal band seriously. In fact, someone in the crowd yelled YOU SUCK at him and he retorted with a yo mama joke. My advice, just hit up the bar while that absolute joke of a band is on or bring earplugs, it's like white noise turned up 10 dB w/ screaming mixed in. CoCa needs to get some real bands like Mars Volta touring with them vice screaming crap bands.

it's hard to take criticism like yours seriously considering the above paragraph's lack of coherency.

anyway, dillinger may not be your bag, but as musicians they will absolutely tear most any other band a new a$$hole. DEP plays the most complex stuff i've ever heard - and they manage to do it with absolute precision at every show all while going ape$hit insane. if you think they're hacks, then it's only because their compositions are over your head.

i also think it's hilarious that their most recent touring-mates are AFI and Coheed:

There wasn't so much love in the air for openers Dillinger Escape Plan, though. The devoted members of AFI's Despair Faction didn't quite know what to make of the unclassifiable metal maniacs, who unleashed auditory hell upon the crowd.

For more than three minutes, strapping frontman Greg Puciato was nowhere to be found onstage, making it seem like the remaining band was an instrumental fourpiece. But the folks upstairs in the venue's VIP area, sipping their drinks at a leisurely pace, knew exactly where Puciato was. As the tips of his sneakers dangled over the mezzanine's ridge, he started wrathfully barking again as he looked out over the petrified crowd.

It seemed he was mulling the odds he'd break his neck should he take a plunge into the audience.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1534981/20060623/story.jhtml
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
OP, I went to the Aug 3rd show in Columbus at the Commonwealth Pavilion (smaller indoor venue), first time seeing them live... one word: incredible. Even my friend who had never heard of them agreed they were sick... their finale for The Final Cut (their tribute to Pink Floyd), which is normally a 6 minute song, was turned into a 20 minute guitar solo orgy: Claudio and Travis dueling on guitars for 15 minutes. I don't think they did that at the Lollapalooza show since there were more bands headlining but they will probably do it for the Toledo show since it's a smaller venue. If I actually lived in the area, I would have taken off and gone to the Toledo show as well.

Like eits was saying in this thread, CoCa used to be indie but then blew up with Apollo IV. However, many peeps still don't know about them and I hope it stays that way so I can catch them at a small venue again. IMO they're easily the best prog rock band right now, hands down.

PS: You're right, the Dillenger Escape Plan absolutely blew, I don't know how to say this but: I kept hoping one of the speakers would fall on the lead singer's head so he would stfu, he was literally screaming the whole time. Plus he's dressed like a frat boy, while the lead singer is dressed like a death metal guitarist. Hard to take some punk with no musical talent and dressed as a frat boy singing in a death metal band seriously. In fact, someone in the crowd yelled YOU SUCK at him and he retorted with a yo mama joke. My advice, just hit up the bar while that absolute joke of a band is on or bring earplugs, it's like white noise turned up 10 dB w/ screaming mixed in. CoCa needs to get some real bands like Mars Volta touring with them vice screaming crap bands.

deer god Mars Volta would never tour with them... they would want to headline too, considering the amount of guitar heaven I have heard that they put on, much similar to what you described for Coheed.

either way, I'd still say they are indie, because while they are not indie in terms of musical popularity, their music style hasn't changed to the point that they sound mainstream. and Claudio is still writing the same with the same concept story as the base, just new chapters.

but agreed, they are far removed from emo, not even a hint of emo in their music. its story writing.

but the other two bands, '3' and 'Chiodos' sound pretty decent from the online links. not sure if they are the same bands who played at the Columbus show or not.
As far as moshing, there was some of it up front... I was sorta on the front row of the level above the front, and almost punched out this asshat who was moshing behind us and spilled my g/f's beer on my arm and somehow got beer on my shoes as well. So I walked up to him during IKSSE, pointed in his face, and told him to fcking quit it. I think it scared him and he went somewhere else. Overall the place was jumpin' and there was limited moshing, but crowd had lots of energy and you could hear em singing all the lyrics.

I got there late so I missed 3, but heard they weren't bad.

I think Chiodos sucked live, I've heard their stuff and while not a fan of EMO (which they are), I have to admit they are musically talented with blending the guitar and keyboard melodies very fast (I like their sound from this perspective). By their last song (and their most popular Baby You Wouldn't Last a Minute), the lead singer had screeched so much and burned out his voice that he sang all of about 3 lines, I kid you not. Basically, if you replaced the lead singer, Chiodos would rock. They put on a pretty poor performance live in Columbus, the lead singer would drown out the rest of the band with his screeching (similar to DEP).

BTW, the set for our show:
Devil In Jersey City
Ten Speed (Of God's Blood and Burial)
In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3
The Suffering
Mother May I
The Crowing
Blood Red Summer
Delirium Trigger
A Favor House Atlantic
Everything Evil
Welcome Home
The Final Cut

Yes if you're lucky and it's a smaller venue, they'll probably just jam out on the Final Cut for like 10-15 minutes with guitar solos. Even w/out Mic and Josh on tour they sounded great. Oh and btw Travis uses the talkbox on The Final Cut solo! ;)
 

Ika

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Aflac
if I want to hear girls sing, I'll go WATCH girls sing.

That's pretty much the only thing about C&C that turns me off, though, and the reason why I'll never listen to them. Rather unfortunate, but I'm picky about my vocals.
He sounds just like the guy from Rush, but you probably don't like them either. Welcome Home is a monster of a song and I think it even trumps Rush's best stuff.
I've never heard Rush, so I can't comment on that.
I think the highest vocals I can stand are from Tom Delange from Blink-182. As a general rule of thumb, if I can sing most of it in my normal voice range and only go into falsetto for a few notes, I like the vocal range. I like to sing along to my music. Yes I do.
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
OP, I went to the Aug 3rd show in Columbus at the Commonwealth Pavilion (smaller indoor venue), first time seeing them live... one word: incredible. Even my friend who had never heard of them agreed they were sick... their finale for The Final Cut (their tribute to Pink Floyd), which is normally a 6 minute song, was turned into a 20 minute guitar solo orgy: Claudio and Travis dueling on guitars for 15 minutes. I don't think they did that at the Lollapalooza show since there were more bands headlining but they will probably do it for the Toledo show since it's a smaller venue. If I actually lived in the area, I would have taken off and gone to the Toledo show as well.

Like eits was saying in this thread, CoCa used to be indie but then blew up with Apollo IV. However, many peeps still don't know about them and I hope it stays that way so I can catch them at a small venue again. IMO they're easily the best prog rock band right now, hands down.

PS: You're right, the Dillenger Escape Plan absolutely blew, I don't know how to say this but: I kept hoping one of the speakers would fall on the lead singer's head so he would stfu, he was literally screaming the whole time. Plus he's dressed like a frat boy, while the lead singer is dressed like a death metal guitarist. Hard to take some punk with no musical talent and dressed as a frat boy singing in a death metal band seriously. In fact, someone in the crowd yelled YOU SUCK at him and he retorted with a yo mama joke. My advice, just hit up the bar while that absolute joke of a band is on or bring earplugs, it's like white noise turned up 10 dB w/ screaming mixed in. CoCa needs to get some real bands like Mars Volta touring with them vice screaming crap bands.

it's hard to take criticism like yours seriously considering the above paragraph's lack of coherency.

anyway, dillinger may not be your bag, but as musicians they will absolutely tear most any other band a new a$$hole. DEP plays the most complex stuff i've ever heard - and they manage to do it with absolute precision at every show all while going ape$hit insane. if you think they're hacks, then it's only because their compositions are over your head.

i also think it's hilarious that their most recent touring-mates are AFI and Coheed:

There wasn't so much love in the air for openers Dillinger Escape Plan, though. The devoted members of AFI's Despair Faction didn't quite know what to make of the unclassifiable metal maniacs, who unleashed auditory hell upon the crowd.

For more than three minutes, strapping frontman Greg Puciato was nowhere to be found onstage, making it seem like the remaining band was an instrumental fourpiece. But the folks upstairs in the venue's VIP area, sipping their drinks at a leisurely pace, knew exactly where Puciato was. As the tips of his sneakers dangled over the mezzanine's ridge, he started wrathfully barking again as he looked out over the petrified crowd.

It seemed he was mulling the odds he'd break his neck should he take a plunge into the audience.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1534981/20060623/story.jhtml
I've never heard DEP's stuff on CD so can't comment on the complexity, maybe their CD is decent. Seeing them live didn't make me want to go buy their CD (on the contrary an older guy working security said he had to go out and get CoCa's CD after the show, he thought they were that good). It seemed like the guitarist had skills (and bassist) but it was really tough to tell with the lead singer frat boy drowning everything out with screeches. When there are a total of 5-10 people out of 1K+ cheering for your band, I think that means you suck (that was the consensus of everyone around me groaning about how this band needs to get the hell off the stage).

To top it off, the lead singer (during the finale) chucked the cymbals into his pianist's keyboard - way to go asshat. Somebody forgot to tell him that you will look cool breaking instruments only AFTER you're famous. Not after you're making immature mom jokes at the crowd for saying you suck and challenging them to a fight onstage. Seriously, I don't know why Coheed or even AFI would have these guys on tour with them, it was like emo metal white noise to me. I didn't hear one harmonizing melody in the entire set... but different strokes for different folks I suppose. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: eits
i've seen them twice... awesome as hell both times.

they're not emo music, so stfu with that already. christ.

edit: they WERE indie... unfortunately, they got all commercial on me. however, they still sound the same as they did whenever they were unknown, so they're still awesome and have my respect.

QFT. They have some good songs.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: zerocool1
love the guitars, not a big fan of the vocals personally. I'll listen to the stuff, though.

Claudio's vocals are definitly not everyone's cup of tea.. but i think it works well for the band as its definitly different.