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french toast

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With a dgpu, just like before, of course.

Wikichip gives it only 3MB of L3:
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/pentium_gold/g5400

Plus we have 4 core I3's now.
People who buy those low end CPUs don't always like to spend the money on a dgpu..both processor's are 99$....taken at face value and compared on its own merits g5400 doesn't compete very well at all, even with dgpu it doesn't look.such a good deal.
 

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People who buy those low end CPUs don't always like to spend the money on a dgpu..both processor's are 99$....taken at face value and compared on its own merits g5400 doesn't compete very well at all, even with dgpu it doesn't look.such a good deal.
That hasn't mattered in the past. HD4600/HD530/HD630 etc. were always well behind the graphics in AMD APUs.

The one light for AMD here is that we can't seem to buy a dgpu anymore. :D
 

french toast

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That hasn't mattered in the past. HD4600/HD530/HD630 etc. were always well behind the graphics in AMD APUs.

The one light for AMD here is that we can't seem to buy a dgpu anymore. :D
Ha, fair points, but to be fair AMD CPUs were crap! So it was always No brainer, today it's different.
2200g likely bests 5400g in 80% scenarios you can think up..for the same price.
 

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99 AUD ~ 79 USD

The same site sells G4560 for 83 AUD (66 USD).

No doubt the new bottom Pentium would adopt the same MSRP (64 USD) of the previous Pentiums, ex. G4400 and G4560.
 

french toast

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99 AUD ~ 79 USD

The same site sells G4560 for 83 AUD (66 USD).

No doubt the new bottom Pentium would adopt the same MSRP (64 USD) of the previous Pentiums, ex. G4400 and G4560.
Oh 99$ AUD, in that case it does make some sense, viable alternative to 2200g.
 

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Hardware Unboxed tested stock cooler performance for 6c/12t Cofee Lake. They used the 8700K, but the test is representative for 8700 as well, since their MT full load clocks are identical.

The TL;DR version is stock cooler would not be a wise choice for i7 8700 but will be enough to keep max clocks in the case of the 8400.

 

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Looks like he may have bought the stock Intel cooler without the copper slug?
Does the 8700 come with that cooler, or the one with the copper slug?
 
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Bouowmx

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It's all about the power limit; how Turbo Boost 2.0 has always been. (Temperature rarely an issue)

And what does the video show?? NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti monitoring and anything concerning CPU package power is hidden. Good grief.
 

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2.6 Ghz base is quite good, Core i7 should get another 100-200 Mhz I think.
 

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Suspect Intel is holding back the Coffee Lake full release launch because until they resolve the Spectre/Meltdown microcode issues.
 

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Suspect Intel is holding back the Coffee Lake full release launch because until they resolve the Spectre/Meltdown microcode issues.

I don't think so. They are just arbitrary delaying cheap mainboards because they must sell of their old generation of CPUs first.

Look at CPUs like the i5-7400: https://geizhals.eu/intel-core-i5-7....html?hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=eu&hloc=pl&hloc=uk

It's in stock everywhere at a ridiculous price. Nobody would buy it any more if they could just get an i7-8100 with a cheap 60$ mainboard. To sell that CPU retailers would have to cut prices from 150€ to 90€ and loose a lot of money money. That would probably piss off a lot of retailers and Intel is trying to avoid that.

I wouldn't expect cheap Coffee Lake mainboards before April.
 

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https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/cores/coffee_lake_r

Nobody is talking about the rumors about 9th generation of CPUs, supposedly being Coffee Lake Refresh named Coffee Lake-R.

Hyper Threading in Core line supposedly apparent, also I am wondering if Turbo Boost for the first time will come to Core i3 line, and potentially allow for higher adaptability to load of those CPUs.

Addition of Turbo Boost would essentially bring Core i7 Kaby Lake lineup, to Core i3 price levels.
 

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99 AUD ~ 79 USD

The same site sells G4560 for 83 AUD (66 USD).

No doubt the new bottom Pentium would adopt the same MSRP (64 USD) of the previous Pentiums, ex. G4400 and G4560.

G5400 Pentium will probably return to $60 were it belongs, and paired with a GTX1050 is a valid alternatine to Ryzen APUs if we talk about playing NOW.

At least until AMD releases the 2/4 Ryzen to desktop, Pentium cant fight that.
 

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https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/cores/coffee_lake_r

Nobody is talking about the rumors about 9th generation of CPUs, supposedly being Coffee Lake Refresh named Coffee Lake-R.

Hyper Threading in Core line supposedly apparent, also I am wondering if Turbo Boost for the first time will come to Core i3 line, and potentially allow for higher adaptability to load of those CPUs.

Addition of Turbo Boost would essentially bring Core i7 Kaby Lake lineup, to Core i3 price levels.
Those are essentially the same as the 8000 series, except for the 8C/16T 9700K, which seems not to be real at this point.
What would be the difference between the i5-9600 and the i7-8700, for example?
 

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Those are essentially the same as the 8000 series, except for the 8C/16T 9700K, which seems not to be real at this point.
What would be the difference between the i5-9600 and the i7-8700, for example?

I imagine clocks would be different and they could also keep the L3 at 9 MB.

I def think Coffee Lake Refresh is coming (over Icelake desktop) but yeah the i7 being 8 cores is still up in the air. It'd be nice if they could get the SCT to be 5 or more on the i7.

Also it sounds like Cascade Lake will launch in Q4 but systems won't ship until 2019. Makes you wonder when Ice Lake Server would show up...
 

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Those are essentially the same as the 8000 series, except for the 8C/16T 9700K, which seems not to be real at this point.
What would be the difference between the i5-9600 and the i7-8700, for example?
Price.
I imagine clocks would be different and they could also keep the L3 at 9 MB.

I def think Coffee Lake Refresh is coming (over Icelake desktop) but yeah the i7 being 8 cores is still up in the air. It'd be nice if they could get the SCT to be 5 or more on the i7.

Also it sounds like Cascade Lake will launch in Q4 but systems won't ship until 2019. Makes you wonder when Ice Lake Server would show up...
According to the rumors, all of the 6C/12T CPUs in Coffee Lake-R have 12 MB of L3 cache.
 

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It's pretty much a jump ball as to what intel is or isn't releasing. They could have changed everything after they canned their CTO over a month ago (without a single blurb or mention by any 'tech journalists', yet Koduri leaving RTG was analyzed with a fine tune comb. *shrug*) (unless of course that rumor wasn't true).
 

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