Coal is......Not Back

[Jhhnn]

Shut the fuck up. The coal miners had an opportunity to get federal dollars for edu but they chose to believe the city slickers lies. Now they can eat mud and live in them thar Hills like the stupid deplorables they are.

Copping a deplorable attitude about you fellow Americans makes you a deplorable, too. We live in a very rich country.where there's really plenty to go around for everybody except we can't seem to make it that way. It's what happens when we let greed at the top have its way with us too much for 40 years. It's what happens when too many of us believe what they want us to believe.

 

[K1052]

Copping a deplorable attitude about you fellow Americans makes you a deplorable, too. We live in a very rich country.where there's really plenty to go around for everybody except we can't seem to make it that way. It's what happens when we let greed at the top have its way with us too much for 40 years. It's what happens when too many of us believe what they want us to believe.

I can sympathize with frustration that these people routinely refuse to help themselves by electing representatives that actually would protect their interests instead of engaging in cultural and political food fights while their safety nets and livelihoods evaporate with no help in sight. I mean at this point I feel sorry for them but they've made the same choices repeatedly...they don't want no saving.

 

[JSt0rm]

Copping a deplorable attitude about you fellow Americans makes you a deplorable, too. We live in a very rich country.where there's really plenty to go around for everybody except we can't seem to make it that way. It's what happens when we let greed at the top have its way with us too much for 40 years. It's what happens when too many of us believe what they want us to believe.

Fuck the dumb hill people. Everyone thinks it. At least I say it.

 

[thilanliyan]

Copping a deplorable attitude about you fellow Americans makes you a deplorable, too. We live in a very rich country.where there's really plenty to go around for everybody except we can't seem to make it that way. It's what happens when we let greed at the top have its way with us too much for 40 years. It's what happens when too many of us believe what they want us to believe.

Sympathies, but they should also help themselves and others and stop voting GOP.

 

[Jhhnn]

I can sympathize with frustration that these people routinely refuse to help themselves by electing representatives that actually would protect their interests instead of engaging in cultural and political food fights while their safety nets and livelihoods evaporate with no help in sight. I mean at this point I feel sorry for them but they've made the same choices repeatedly...they don't want no saving.

They're often poorly educated & readily deceived. All they want is what the rest of us want- to have meaningful work & enough money to not constantly struggle. Coal jobs did that for them & their communities. Nobody is offering them what they see as a viable alternative other than to move away. A lot of them don't have good options in that direction, either.

It's all divide & conquer in top down class warfare. Just because they get played doesn't mean the rest of us need to buy into it.

 

[thilanliyan]

They're often poorly educated & readily deceived.

How do you address that?

 

[zzyzxroad]

Hasn't much of the coal mining process been automated anyway? So even if demand ramps drastically I'd think the coal industry would simply invest in improving automation vs a workforce.

 

[shortylickens]

We live in a very rich country.where there's really plenty to go around for everybody except we can't seem to make it that way. It's what happens when we let greed at the top have its way with us too much for 40 years. It's what happens when too many of us believe what they want us to believe.

The COUNTRY is rich because one percent of Americans have trillions of dollars worth of assets.
Until we figure out a way to get some of that value back, about 99 percent of us will live paycheck to paycheck and always worry about whether we can survive until retirement.

 

[Muse]

Coal is dead. It can (and will) go the way of the typewriter, the horse and buggy and all the other outdated technologies. The world will move forward with or without you.

It wasn't long ago that the concern everybody talked about was running out of oil or whatever other resources we could lasso in order to fire up our engines, heat our houses, etc. But now that global warming has shown its ugly head, we have more important priorities. Looks like we'll never get to the point where we need coal. We'd be dead first.

 

[Muse]

Shut the fuck up. The coal miners had an opportunity to get federal dollars for edu but they chose to believe the city slickers lies. Now they can eat mud and live in them thar Hills like the stupid deplorables they are.

You are referring to JT's lies, right?

 

[Jhhnn]

The COUNTRY is rich because one percent of Americans have trillions of dollars worth of assets.
Until we figure out a way to get some of that value back, about 99 percent of us will live paycheck to paycheck and always worry about whether we can survive until retirement.

An even bigger worry for a lot of people is how they'll survive in retirement. Lots of people just work until they die, same as it's ever been. Just about the time a lot of families are getting over the last catastrophe wrought by economic forces beyond their control they get hit by another. One of the things I saw working for the local transit company for decades was people coming in who'd been beat up- by the interest rates in the early 80's, by the S&L crash, the Tech bust, the housing bubble, restructuring of the airlines, being consolidated, right sized, down sized offshored, automated, outsourced & sold out so many times it makes my head spin.

That trickle down thing doesn't work for shit for a lot of people.

 

[Muse]

An even bigger worry for a lot of people is how they'll survive in retirement. Lots of people just work until they die, same as it's ever been. Just about the time a lot of families are getting over the last catastrophe wrought by economic forces beyond their control they get hit by another. One of the things I saw working for the local transit company for decades was people coming in who'd been beat up- by the interest rates in the early 80's, by the S&L crash, the Tech bust, the housing bubble, restructuring of the airlines, being consolidated, right sized, down sized offshored, automated, outsourced & sold out so many times it makes my head spin.

That trickle down thing doesn't work for shit for a lot of people.

It's the reason I never had "disposable income" during my working life. I saved and scrimped continuously. I allowed myself an occasional extravagance. The big one was a $1000 SVHS VCR I brought home on my bicycle. I brought home my 20" CRT TV tied to a skateboard! But I almost never lived hand to mouth. When I did, my obsession was to stop doing it ASAP. I socked away everything I could. Living paycheck to paycheck is something I'VE NEVER DONE. When I had paychecks coming regularly, I socked away everything I could. I'm a master at it. I've never had job security. It's one reason I never hesitated to draw unemployment. The system owed me that. I NEVER QUIT A JOB, and I was competent, diligent, punctual, dependable, and honest. Didn't make a rat's ass difference. Edit: Oh, and I NEVER took a vacation! Even when I had vacation days coming. Didn't even use the medical insurance!

I have some money now, but I still will NOT duck into a Starbucks or Peets for a cup of coffee.

 

[K1052]

Hasn't much of the coal mining process been automated anyway? So even if demand ramps drastically I'd think the coal industry would simply invest in improving automation vs a workforce.

Mechanization gutted the workforce decades ago like a lot of other heavy industry.

 

[sao123]

How do you address that?

By stop assuming that poorly educated people are stupid. Stop perpetuating the myth that a person who doesnt attend college has no value.
Some of the wisest individuals on the planet are the uneducated. Some of the stupidest people on the planet are the most educated.

Knowledge and Wisdom are not the same. Knowledge is folly. Wisdom is paramount.

 

[K1052]

By stop assuming that poorly educated people are stupid. Stop perpetuating the myth that a person who doesnt attend college has no value.
Some of the wisest individuals on the planet are the uneducated. Some of the stupidest people on the planet are the most educated.

Knowledge and Wisdom are not the same. Knowledge is folly. Wisdom is paramount.

This is...entirely meaningless.

 

[JSt0rm]

By stop assuming that poorly educated people are stupid. Stop perpetuating the myth that a person who doesnt attend college has no value.
Some of the wisest individuals on the planet are the uneducated. Some of the stupidest people on the planet are the most educated.

Knowledge and Wisdom are not the same. Knowledge is folly. Wisdom is paramount.

how wise is it to mine coal for a living?

 

[mikeymikec]

nvm

 

[sao123]

how wise is it to mine coal for a living?

Because a world without Coal and Coal Derivitives is a Dystopian stone Age.

Because... you can't live without steel. things like Buildings, Roadways, Bridges, (Pretty much everything that is a concrete structure), Trains & Ships, Light and Heavy Motorized Vehicles, Motorized Excavation, Lifting, and Farm Equipment are all made from Steel.

Because you can't live without coal derivatives... coke, gases, tars, acids, light oils, plastics, and many common chemicals/medicines - salicylic acid, nitro phenol, picric acid, benzol (which is responsible for a whole range of modern pharmaceuticals), etc.

 

[K1052]

Because a world without Coal and Coal Derivitives is a Dystopian stone Age.

Because... you can't live without steel. things like Buildings, Roadways, Bridges, (Pretty much everything that is a concrete structure), Trains & Ships, Light and Heavy Motorized Vehicles, Motorized Excavation, Lifting, and Farm Equipment are all made from Steel.

Because you can't live without coal derivatives... coke, gases, tars, acids, light oils, plastics, and many common chemicals/medicines - salicylic acid, nitro phenol, picric acid, benzol (which is responsible for a whole range of modern pharmaceuticals), etc.

US production of thermal coal versus met coal:




Like I'd be stunned if we need more than a few hundred people total to satisfy domestic demand for coking coal. Even still in the coming decades steel producers will be phasing it out in favor of hydrogen. A lot of steel mills don't even need this since a large and growing portion of US demand is satisfied by electric mini-mills turning scrap into new product.

 

[brycejones]

Tell me again which party abandoned the middle class, you bleating sheep.

He won’t. That poster shit posts and runs.

 

[sao123]

US production of thermal coal versus met coal:

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Like I'd be stunned if we need more than a few hundred people total to satisfy domestic demand for coking coal. Even still in the coming decades steel producers will be phasing it out in favor of hydrogen. A lot of steel mills don't even need this since a large and growing portion of US demand is satisfied by electric mini-mills turning scrap into new product.

Steel made without coke is specialty steel... It is not the same quality of steel used for building and concrete applications. Nor will it ever produce the quantity needed to replace all our roads, bridges, and concrete buildings every 30 years.
Stop with your fantasy pipe dreams.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Steel made without coke is specialty steel... It is not the same quality of steel used for building and concrete applications. Nor will it ever produce the quantity needed to replace all our roads, bridges, and concrete buildings every 30 years.
Stop with your fantasy pipe dreams.

So coal is coming back? When?

 

[K1052]

Steel made without coke is specialty steel... It is not the same quality of steel used for building and concrete applications. Nor will it ever produce the quantity needed to replace all our roads, bridges, and concrete buildings every 30 years.
Stop with your fantasy pipe dreams.

I present to you...current reality:

 

[brycejones]

How do you address that?

Pretty hard to do when the mouth pieces of one party keep shitting on science and education.

 

[brycejones]

Steel made without coke is specialty steel... It is not the same quality of steel used for building and concrete applications. Nor will it ever produce the quantity needed to replace all our roads, bridges, and concrete buildings every 30 years.
Stop with your fantasy pipe dreams.

Lol, do you ever educate yourself on anything?