Coakley-Brown Senate Race in Mass on Jan. 19 - Dems could 60 seat Majority !

[Capt Caveman]

I did a search for this and all I could find is other commentors on other blogs, no substantiated claims.

From http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-seat-ma-winner-ultimately-rests-with-senate/



I think it's a liberal conspiracy designed to look like a conservative conspiracy designed to look like a liberal conspiracy...how about that? Everyone needs to chill out.

Looks like more like stupid polling people - Charges of ballot tampering emerge in Senate race

 

[Sinsear]

If Brown wins maybe Craig can make a thread about Massachusetts voters vs. the rest of the country.

 

[werepossum]

1. If they (whoever that is) is doing it and it's illegal, I hope they get busted.

2. I'm be more concerned about whether or not they are legitimate MA voters. As long as they are it's not that big a deal, as long as they aren't leagally blind and being tricked into voting for a candidate they don't support.

The MSM had noted numerous times that there are something like 120,000 voters on the rolls who don't belong there (dead people and those no longer in MA). That's like 19% of voters. That's unacceptible.

3. If they "they" get public money to sign up voters, like ACORN, and are engaging in this blantant partisanship (and illegal activity) I'll be really angry and want their funding stopped like ACORN's - it did get stopped, right?)

4. We should require more than a "I heard about this from someone who heard about it from someone else" type story to delay cerification if Brown does win. I've never seen such claims against the other side result in any delay, will look odd given what's already been said by some Dems.

Fern

Hey, pal, those dead people have just as much right to vote as Jesus and Muhammed. (I mean the illegals from Mexico and Somalia, not the ever-so-nice prophets who, come to think of it, also can't vote legally in today's election.) Don't you go disenfranchising the dead, 'cause Massachusetts Democrats aren't going to take that lying down.

Well, the actual dead voters will take it lying down. But not the operatives!

 

[Craig234]

Oh, looks like they are ready to change the rules...
http://www.breitbart.tv/barney-frank-god-didnt-create-the-filibuster/

Its a shame that the Democrats have been taken over by the progressives.

In the words of a true Democrat


But again, the Democrats (progressives) say that the debate is over yet again.

No, it's too bad the progressives haven't taken over or we'd have great single-payer healthcare passed.

And abusing the filbuster to make it a veto for everything you don't liike for 40 Senators isn't debate.

And we have way too many lying, unprincipled ciitizensm as your post shows.

The primary villain are the 40 Republicans. The secondary villain are the corpratist Dems.

 

[SAWYER]

Salty, bitter tears

 

[werepossum]

Looks like more like stupid polling people - Charges of ballot tampering emerge in Senate race

From the article:

Martha Coakley’s Campaign attorney Marc Elias speaks to the media on irregularities in the voting and the possibility of challenging the results.

Anybody NOT see where this is going?

 

[fskimospy]

1. If they (whoever that is) is doing it and it's illegal, I hope they get busted.

2. I'm be more concerned about whether or not they are legitimate MA voters. As long as they are it's not that big a deal, as long as they aren't leagally blind and being tricked into voting for a candidate they don't support.

The MSM had noted numerous times that there are something like 120,000 voters on the rolls who don't belong there (dead people and those no longer in MA). That's like 19% of voters. That's unacceptible.

3. If they "they" get public money to sign up voters, like ACORN, and are engaging in this blantant partisanship (and illegal activity) I'll be really angry and want their funding stopped like ACORN's - it did get stopped, right?)

4. We should require more than a "I heard about this from someone who heard about it from someone else" type story to delay cerification if Brown does win. I've never seen such claims against the other side result in any delay, will look odd given what's already been said by some Dems.

Fern

1.) Agree.
2.) In 2004 Mass. had 4.1 million registered voters, undoubtedly more now. 120,000 voters would be approximately 3% of the total. Not great, but hardly 20%.
3.) The federal government provides money for many organizations that endorse one party or another, but they do not fund it for the partisan activities in particular. I am unaware of any partisan activities that ACORN has undertaken that are federally funded. In addition, ACORN's funding did not get stopped. The bill Congress attempted to pass was blatantly unconstitutional.
4.) Agree. There is also zero indication that such a stoppage would occur from so small an accusation.

 

[Andrew111]

As covered before, tort reform yields between zero savings and 0.5% savings according to credible nonpartisan sources. That's not meaningful cost containment. The sooner people get it through their heads that they have been lied to about tort reform, the easier this will all be.

Secondly there is no polling information whatsoever that shows Brown's election being due to popular discontent with health care in MA. (Massachusetts support/oppose is +7 in favor of Obama's plan) So say that the Democrats' pushing through of a health care plan should stop due to an election in a state that supports it would be... confusing to say the least.

Savings are savings buddy...Obama cares so much about saving money that he goes line by line through the federal budget to cut costs (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA. And you conveniently avoid responding to the fact that the Senate bill is going to "find" half a trillion in savings from Medicare....you can't sit there with a straight face and tell me that bullshit is gonna happen. Seniors would foam at the mouth and demand Obama's head. Costs are only going to increase with this turd of a bill. Do it right or not at all...Obama treats this health care bill like a notch on his belt...no matter how ugly it is.

 

[Robor]

Edit: whoops... reply fell far later than expected.

 

[fskimospy]

Savings are savings buddy...Obama cares so much about saving money that he goes line by line through the federal budget to cut costs (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA. And you conveniently avoid responding to the fact that the Senate bill is going to "find" half a trillion in savings from Medicare....you can't sit there with a straight face and tell me that bullshit is gonna happen. Seniors would foam at the mouth and demand Obama's head. Costs are only going to increase with this turd of a bill. Do it right or not at all...Obama treats this health care bill like a notch on his belt...no matter how ugly it is.

Uhmm, no they aren't. There is a cost/benefit in every situation. You appear to believe that Congress should limit people's ability to seek redress for wrongs committed to them by incompetent doctors in exchange for small savings on national health care. I don't, and a lot of people don't.

I didn't conveniently avoid responding to anything. Neither one of us has the information to make an intelligent comment on it and so I figured I would save us both the time.

I don't really care what you think about the health care bill, this kind of reaction was inevitable regardless of what bill was proposed, and I more commented on your post due to the faulty electoral analysis than your ideas on health care.

 

[Robor]

...and then instead of editing I quote it.

<== dumbass

 

[Andrew111]

Uhmm, no they aren't. There is a cost/benefit in every situation. You appear to believe that Congress should limit people's ability to seek redress for wrongs committed to them by incompetent doctors in exchange for small savings on national health care. I don't, and a lot of people don't.

I didn't conveniently avoid responding to anything. Neither one of us has the information to make an intelligent comment on it and so I figured I would save us both the time.

I don't really care what you think about the health care bill, this kind of reaction was inevitable regardless of what bill was proposed, and I more commented on your post due to the faulty electoral analysis than your ideas on health care.

Obviously doctors shouldn't have a free ride to screw up and cause harm/death....but the current system isn't working either. And this nation needs to get serious about fiscal responsibility...or China and Japan will refuse to finance our debt any longer. Britain is already feeling the pressure about the possibility of losing its top credit rating...at least they talk about the need to tame costs while we continue with business as usual. It's starting to look like we won't change our ways until our credit rating gets downgraded.

 

[Lemon law]

As I read this thread, I still don't see much genuine polling date, but the political pissing contests are still going on as usual.

Its can't be very many hours remaining until we know what the voters said.

And in that Binary Cockely or Brown who wins verdict, its all that matters, all else is irrelevant.

 

[mect]

Yeap, and I have previously linked loads of studies that show zero statistically significant impact of tort reform along with the CBO's recent analysis showing an extremely small effect. I can't imagine you have forgotten those. Both are far more credible sources than a series of articles.

That depends on what the studies are including. My recollection is that most of those studies only include direct savings from malpractice lawsuits on the doctors, and do not address whether tort reform would have a significant impact on defensive medicine. I could be wrong, however, as I'm just going from memory.

 

[boomerang]

From the article:


Anybody NOT see where this is going?

They've got to delay the certification of the election until after Obama's State of the Union address on the 27th. The health care vote will occur before that.

It's of the utmost importance that he can claim he accomplished something in his first year.

 

[Patranus]

They've got to delay the certification of the election until after Obama's State of the Union address on the 27th. The health care vote will occur before that.

It's of the utmost importance that he can claim he accomplished something in his first year.

Not going to happen unless Obama wants riots.

 

[sciwizam]

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Massachusetts Secretary of State dismissed vote problems

BOSTON -- The Massachusetts secretary of state is discounting reports of voter irregularities in the state's Senate special election.

A spokesman for Secretary of State William Galvin said Tuesday two reports of spoiled ballots could not be verified or found to be widespread.

In one case, someone voting in Cambridge claimed a ballot had already been marked for Republican Scott Brown. There was no way to verify the claim, but the ballot was destroyed.

In another case, a person in Boston reported finding a ballot inside a privacy folder also marked for Brown. Officials say it may have been left inadvertently by an earlier voter.

Aides to Democrat Martha Coakley called a news conference to raise voter awareness of the concerns.

 

[BarneyFife]

Not going to happen unless Obama wants riots.

Riots?? You must be joking. People in this country would rather riot about American Idol than something that means anything.

 

[fskimospy]

That depends on what the studies are including. My recollection is that most of those studies only include direct savings from malpractice lawsuits on the doctors, and do not address whether tort reform would have a significant impact on defensive medicine. I could be wrong, however, as I'm just going from memory.

That would be incorrect. Not only do they take into account defensive medicine, defensive medicine is the subject of the study.

 

[Patranus]

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Massachusetts Secretary of State dismissed vote problems

There is actual VIDEO of a Coakley supporter handing out absentee ballots......

 

[werepossum]

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Massachusetts Secretary of State dismissed vote problems

Great, glad to hear it.

I keep waiting for a Democrat to say "Look, our voters are stupid. If they get a ballot already marked for Brown, they assume they have already voted for Brown and turn it in." Same thing for the cross allegations of ballots already marked for Coakley. It's hard to see how this could possibly be a problem. Pre-marked absentee ballots might be a little more problematic, but either way it shouldn't throw an election. (Or to recall Florida's woes, people that stupid don't deserve to have their votes counted.)

On the other hand, speaking of stupid voters there are apparently two people who voted for Brown and whose votes will not be counted. Doh!

 

[BeauJangles]

They've got to delay the certification of the election until after Obama's State of the Union address on the 27th. The health care vote will occur before that.

It's of the utmost importance that he can claim he accomplished something in his first year.

Funny, I thought he spent most of his first year trying to fix the economy. Whether or not you agree with his policies (or the GWB policies immediately preceding Obama's takeover), you can't deny that the man has had a lot on his plate.

 

[Patranus]

That would be incorrect. Not only do they take into account defensive medicine, defensive medicine is the subject of the study.

And a recent study (which was posted in reply to you earlier) showed over 1.5 billion per year in savings in MA alone.

MA has 6.5 million people or about 2&#37; of the total population of the US.
Extrapolate that 1.5 billion over the entire USA and you are looking at...what...75 billion in savings per year.

Not a small chunk of change by any means.

 

[BeauJangles]

Not going to happen unless Obama wants riots.

It would be a dirty move by the democrats, but I don't think there would be riots.

 

[spidey07]

They've got to delay the certification of the election until after Obama's State of the Union address on the 27th. The health care vote will occur before that.

It's of the utmost importance that he can claim he accomplished something in his first year.

You hit the nail on the head there. That's why they moved up the state of the union address. It was supposed to be february. This is all calculated.