Coakley-Brown Senate Race in Mass on Jan. 19 - Dems could 60 seat Majority !

[woolfe9999]

If by nuclear option you mean reconciliation, it's limited to money issues.

If the Dems could find a way to get a re-written much better bill passed with 50 votes, that sounds like a much better option - for the county and politically.

Then a more popular bill would be passed and people would remember the obstructionism.

Reconciliation will not produce a better bill. The Senate Parlimentarian has already said that the current Senate bill would not be approved for reconciliation because the reform provisions in it are not fiscal. That means a redone bill would contain the subsidies and tax provisions, but none of the reform. Last I checked, the reform provisions werre considerably less controverial than the subsidies and mandates.

- wolf

 

[Robor]

Uh huh

Yeah, I guess that 'Obama's Waterloo' comment about health care was taken out of context.

 

[spidey07]

Unfortunately, breakings news on the tv that voters in several towns have reported being handed ballots with Brown already shaded in.

I smell ACORN.

 

[chucky2]

Unfortunately, breakings news on the tv that voters in several towns have reported being handed ballots with Brown already shaded in.

Coakley: I don't care how much it costs, get on your unused disposable cell phone and tell them we need that fake story run now, we don't have much time left!!! Names for sources?!?!?! They don't need names, just tell them to do what they always do, have them say, 'un-named Senior Election Officials'. Whatever it costs!!! Whatever it costs!!!

 

[werepossum]

I smell ACORN.

LOL If we can't steal it, let's at least smear it so we can say it wasn't legitimate and maybe even delay his certification and swearing in because the "the seriousness of the allegations."

 

[lothar]

I smell ACORN.

Why would ACORN bite the hands that feed them?

 

[Genx87]

Ha! Time to plant the seeds today for the lawsuit that will blossom tomorrow.

 

[fskimospy]

Either way you look at it...this doesn't end well for Obama. Democrats can continue blowing smoke up your ass by saying this doesn't have national implications but it most certainly does. Independents (and even some Democrats) are so unhappy with the Democrats in Washington that they are making their voices heard in MA...a solid blue state. If the people were happy with how things were going....then the majority of Massachusetts would happily vote for practically any Democrat that runs for the Senate seat...there certainly have been much worse candidates for the Senate that have won before. When a solid blue state teeters towards a Republican win in a crucial special election you know the Democrats are in for a hurting come the midterms.

If Brown wins and the Democrats ram through health care anyway......there WILL be a huge backlash come midterm elections. The question becomes....are moderate Democrats willing to gamble away their seats by voting for an inadequate health care bill that doesn't contain costs as it should. People are already unhappy with the skyrocketing deficit...and this health care bill failed to address many issues to contain the spiraling costs...such as tort reform. And the Senate bill promises to "find" half a trillion in savings from Medicare...give me a break...either spell out how exactly costs will be controlled or quit blowing smoke up the public's ass by promising to "find" savings and write up a decent health care bill without such garbage in the first place.

And if Obama signs the bill before Brown gets seated...it gets even worse for him. Pelosi/Reid will have shoved their hands much farther up his ass to make him look like an even more servile puppet dancing to their every whim. He needs to have his own mind...he should have been more involved in forming the health care legislation if he wanted BI-PARTISANSHIP instead of letting Pelosi/Reid control it. So far he has proven to be a cheerleader of the Democratic party...without displaying much leadership of his own merit.

Whatever...rant done.

As covered before, tort reform yields between zero savings and 0.5% savings according to credible nonpartisan sources. That's not meaningful cost containment. The sooner people get it through their heads that they have been lied to about tort reform, the easier this will all be.

Secondly there is no polling information whatsoever that shows Brown's election being due to popular discontent with health care in MA. (Massachusetts support/oppose is +7 in favor of Obama's plan) So say that the Democrats' pushing through of a health care plan should stop due to an election in a state that supports it would be... confusing to say the least.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm loving this. If there was a story about people being handed ballots already filled out for Coakley the resident right wingers would be going ballistic, sure that ACORN was diabolically plotting another election theft. Instead when they hear of the same ballots for the other side... it's STILL ACORN's fault.

Amazing.

 

[lothar]

As covered before, tort reform yields between zero savings and 0.5% savings according to credible nonpartisan sources. That's not meaningful cost containment. The sooner people get it through their heads that they have been lied to about tort reform, the easier this will all be.

Secondly there is no polling information whatsoever that shows Brown's election being due to popular discontent with health care in MA. (Massachusetts support/oppose is +7 in favor of Obama's plan) So say that the Democrats' pushing through of a health care plan should stop due to an election in a state that supports it would be... confusing to say the least.

What do you think it is then in your opinion?

 

[sciwizam]

This is getting hilarious. From national review, so take it with a grain of salt if you don't believe it.

Link

Re: Uh-Oh [Daniel Foster]

Jonah, that is the word around the campfire.
Jim Geraghty passes on a great catch. The original press release on the Coakley site was dated yesterday.

It has since been updated. A typographic error from the campaign that brought you Masachoosits, I'm sure.​

 

[boomerang]

LOL If we can't steal it, let's at least smear it so we can say it wasn't legitimate and maybe even delay his certification and swearing in because the "the seriousness of the allegations."

Excellent interpretation.

 

[fskimospy]

What do you think it is then in your opinion?

Large scale unemployment and general economic malaise accompanied with the perception that the government has not been effective in fixing the economy.

 

[MrMatt]

With regards to the person who says that repubs don't give a shit about MA: I voted for Brown for many reasons (see my post) but he DOES cover issues that are occurring in MA, and I agree with his stance more than Coakley's. The issues we have here are similar to the rest of the nation.

As for Mass. being a blue state: A recent poll showed 51% of the state identified themselves as Independent, 36% as Democrat, and the rest as Republican. It's a definite shift. I'm probably changing my affiliation to Independent fairly soon.

Also in response to what others have said: I haven't moved, the democratic party has moved away from me.

 

[werepossum]

This is getting hilarious. From national review, so take it with a grain of salt if you don't believe it.

Link

Yeah, well, Democrats have to fill in ballots for a bunch of dead guys, so they need to get their ballots a day or two early.
/snark

 

[JSt0rm]

Unfortunately, breakings news on the tv that voters in several towns have reported being handed ballots with Brown already shaded in.

for real? lmao. This fucking country.

 

[Fern]

As covered before, tort reform yields between zero savings and 0.5% savings according to credible nonpartisan sources. That's not meaningful cost containment. The sooner people get it through their heads that they have been lied to about tort reform, the easier this will all be.
-snip-

That's odd, Wolfe9999 is posting links to a series of articles by a Princeton (IIRC) economist that lists defensive medicine as a top cause of our higher costs. Of course defence medicine results fromour tort system. The links are in his thread about bipartisan HC reform.

Fern

 

[sciwizam]

for real? lmao. This fucking country.

If you look at the link I posted above, the press release was dated YESTERDAY.

Right now, it is not looking like desperation, more like pathetic.

 

[yankeesfan]

This is getting hilarious. From national review, so take it with a grain of salt if you don't believe it.

Link

That is hilarious.

 

[JSt0rm]

If you look at the link I posted above, the press release was dated YESTERDAY.

Right now, it is not looking like desperation, more like pathetic.

Yeah I tend to agree on this one. I need a 3rd party source. A blog on croaks website isn't a valid news source.

 

[Fern]

I'm loving this. If there was a story about people being handed ballots already filled out for Coakley the resident right wingers would be going ballistic, sure that ACORN was diabolically plotting another election theft. Instead when they hear of the same ballots for the other side... it's STILL ACORN's fault.

Amazing.

1. If they (whoever that is) is doing it and it's illegal, I hope they get busted.

2. I'm be more concerned about whether or not they are legitimate MA voters. As long as they are it's not that big a deal, as long as they aren't leagally blind and being tricked into voting for a candidate they don't support.

The MSM had noted numerous times that there are something like 120,000 voters on the rolls who don't belong there (dead people and those no longer in MA). That's like 19% of voters. That's unacceptible.

3. If they "they" get public money to sign up voters, like ACORN, and are engaging in this blantant partisanship (and illegal activity) I'll be really angry and want their funding stopped like ACORN's - it did get stopped, right?)

4. We should require more than a "I heard about this from someone who heard about it from someone else" type story to delay cerification if Brown does win. I've never seen such claims against the other side result in any delay, will look odd given what's already been said by some Dems.

Fern

 

[Craig234]

I'm loving this. If there was a story about people being handed ballots already filled out for Coakley the resident right wingers would be going ballistic, sure that ACORN was diabolically plotting another election theft. Instead when they hear of the same ballots for the other side... it's STILL ACORN's fault.

Amazing.

Our worst righties here, not all, seem to think the anser to actual corruption by their side (if it happens) is to make up a lie about the left doing wrong, and then it's even and you can ignore the real corruption.

 

[dammitgibs]

Unfortunately, breakings news on the tv that voters in several towns have reported being handed ballots with Brown already shaded in.

I did a search for this and all I could find is other commentors on other blogs, no substantiated claims.

From http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-seat-ma-winner-ultimately-rests-with-senate/

@ObamasRecordDefict January 19th, 2010 5:50 pm ET
We've already seen video accounts of voter fraud for the DUMocRATS. A woman handing out blank absentee ballots with COAKLEY's name checked.
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Dude, that's so unusual seeing as how there are now reports of the exact same thing happening only the other way around. Only its some sort of glitch where Brown's name is already shaded in on the pre-printed ballot. Must be a liberal conspiracy to make it look like a GOP conspiracy huh?

I think it's a liberal conspiracy designed to look like a conservative conspiracy designed to look like a liberal conspiracy...how about that? Everyone needs to chill out.

 

[werepossum]

Yeah I tend to agree on this one. I need a 3rd party source. A blog on croaks website isn't a valid news source.

Hands up everyone who thinks the mainstream media would do this story if it were true, with health care reform and possibly the Obama presidency on the line.
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Damned crickets!

 

[fskimospy]

That's odd, Wolfe9999 is posting links to a series of articles by a Princeton (IIRC) economist that lists defensive medicine as a top cause of our higher costs. Of course defence medicine results fromour tort system. The links are in his thread about bipartisan HC reform.

Fern

Yeap, and I have previously linked loads of studies that show zero statistically significant impact of tort reform along with the CBO's recent analysis showing an extremely small effect. I can't imagine you have forgotten those. Both are far more credible sources than a series of articles.