Weather is not great today it seems in a lot of MA. Good news for brown, and the other tea party person.
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With regards to risk pools; I think that if an insurance company created attractive enough plans they've have larger groups coming to them, and keep the premiums lower. i.e. if your client base is too small, there's something wrong with your plan.
As for denying coverage: That's a tricky issue; on one hand I don't think they should be able to drop customers for any reason other than fraud. However if you have a pre-existing condition I understand both sides; A) The person NEEDS help but B) the company KNOWS it'll lose money providing to this person. Not sure what to do in that case, maybe THERE the government could step in.
Currently snowing here, it was raining earlier. Roads are slippery, for driving and walking. Miserable weather to be out.
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Yep, bad weather always helps the weaker/underdog person running.
If this turns out to be as close as they say the weather alone could shift it toward Brown.
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it seems like that would be good for the Republicans.
can't believe i'm rooting for Scott Brown.
never had much of an opinion about the Patriots but i definitely got an opinion about Obama-care.
Obama "not pleased" by closeness of election. Of course not. The people don't want what you are pushing and reject it!
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An interesting thought.
UHC could have just as well died with Kennedy. His sit-in's vote no longer counts and Brown will vote against it. That means if Brown wins he could torpedo HC unless another congresscritter is bribed for the yes vote. I found it interesting that UHC died with Kennedy. Ironically fitting I suppose.
UHC could have just as well died with Kennedy. His sit-in's vote no longer counts and Brown will vote against it. That means if Brown wins he could torpedo HC unless another congresscritter is bribed for the yes vote. I found it interesting that UHC died with Kennedy. Ironically fitting I suppose.
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Separating employers from health insurance would be a very good thing if done correctly. Health insurance needs to be made portable from job to job and across state lines. Basically, everyone in a given insurance company, nationwide, should become part of one large risk pool. Making insurance separate from employment should also eliminate a lot of administrative overhead for both employers and insurance companies as neither would have the hastle of managing insurance at the employer level. We should also try to get to some kind of standard electronic medical records (EMR) format along with universal diagnostic/test/treatment codes. This would make it easier for doctors and hospitals to deal with multiple insurance companies, again (hopefully) lowering admin overhead.
There are things that we can do to fix the worst of the problems with the current system without resorting to a .gov takeover.
Good thoughts. I note that your idea would seem to improve choice for those who already have insurance from their employers. What about people who work for small business or are self-employed and do not have insurance because they or their employer cannot afford it? Would you provide tax credits to small businesses to help those employers pay the stipend to their employees for health coverage, or would you leave them uninsured?
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I guess repubs haven't had much to cheer about lately, you would think the future of the earth depended on this senate race 
And whats really comical is they don't give a rats ass about Mass or even know what the local issues are they just see it as their last best chance to serve up a defeat for Obama. And the 60 seat majority is a farse to begin with, if the dems truly had a super majority we wouldn't still be discussing UHC it would be a done deal already, the blue dogs are nothing more than repubs with blue hats.
And whats really comical is they don't give a rats ass about Mass or even know what the local issues are they just see it as their last best chance to serve up a defeat for Obama. And the 60 seat majority is a farse to begin with, if the dems truly had a super majority we wouldn't still be discussing UHC it would be a done deal already, the blue dogs are nothing more than repubs with blue hats.The Republicans have already pushed through a rule change. The filibuster is no longer a delay for a few issues. Now it's a veto for 40 Senators over pretty much everything.
Well it may be time to *gasp* negotiate with those 40 senators instead of locking them out like the Dems have been doing.
It's like England expressingits furstration with Neville Chamberlein not with Churchill, but with a Nazi.
Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but Pelosi and Reid have formally invited President Obama to give his State of the Union address on January 27. This is earlier than reports I'd read suggested the speech was going to be.
Is this an indication that Democrats will try to push through health care before Brown is theoretically seated, and respond to criticism of thwarting the will of the people by saying their timeline was always to get it done before the State of the Union address?
In other words the health care deadline has been tied to the address since Christmas, and now the address is coming earlier than anticipated and in time to get Kirk's vote.
Is this an indication that Democrats will try to push through health care before Brown is theoretically seated, and respond to criticism of thwarting the will of the people by saying their timeline was always to get it done before the State of the Union address?
In other words the health care deadline has been tied to the address since Christmas, and now the address is coming earlier than anticipated and in time to get Kirk's vote.
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werepossum
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I guess repubs haven't had much to cheer about lately, you would think the future of the earth depended on this senate race
The Dems do have a super majority; not everyone with (D) after his or her name is a full-blown socialist, and some of those who are know they can only get elected by pretending to not be what they are. A power grab of this magnitude necessarily shines light on the process and the cockroaches must scramble accordingly.
Farang - you are probably dead right. The thinking here is that getting all these panels and bureaucracies in place is worth falling on the sword now, because they can kill private health insurance with it and when government takes over health care, Democrats will have a built-in broad constituency simply by saying "The Republicans want to take your health care!" The beauty is that the adverts are already 3/4 written, just substitute "health care" for "Social Security". And like Social Security the Dems can keep increasing taxes on it whilst screaming that the Republicans want to cut it.
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