CO2 is green.

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
At this point, I think only O2 isn't considered pollution. Even water vapor is a greenhouse gas.

The appearance of O2 in the early-earth atmosphere led to the largest known extinction on the planet, killing off some 98% of species (all of them anaerobic).

it certainly was a pollutant then!

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: phoenix79

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Update: Here's an interesting tidbit from the whois information above. Although the registration information claims that the registrant is listed in Herndon, VA with a Herndon zip code, if you look up the area code of the phone number listed as the registrant phone number you will find that it is an area code assigned to Scranton, Pennsylvania. I called the number and got a Network Solutions automated answering system but I find it very interesting about the phone number since Scranton was historically founded on . . .ready for this. . COAL and iron production. And coal burning produces. . .evryone knows this. . .
Cooincidence?

You do know that Network Solutions is a hosting company/domain registrar, right, and that you will commonly find this info on the whois for a domain they host or register, right?

I'm fully aware of who network solutions is and that is why I know they are not the ones behind the "CO2 is Green" campaign. Whoever is behind it appears to be hiding behind them as you can plainly see if you actually click the whois link I provide above in the original post or by clicking this link also:
http://www.networksolutions.co...-search/co2isgreen.org

You'll notice the registrant address is in care of network solutions in Herndon VA but the telephone number given for the domains administrative contact has a Scranton, PA area code. I am admittedly doing some guessing here but knowing the link between CO2 and Coal, and the fact that Scranton is historically known to be a coal mining town, I am hazarding a guess that Network solutions has a field office in Scranton and maybe that somebody local there is using them at that location. But again, I admit this is total speculation on my part. Also note the admin email address. . .networkingsolutionsprivateregistration.com? Chicken shits. . .don't even stand behind their propaganda.

Okay I see your point now, I retract my previous post.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Oceandevi
Plants love CO2. Everyone knows this.

No!!!

Plants love Brawndo, It's Got Electrolytes. It's What Plants Crave

 

[phoenix79]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: phoenix79

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Update: Here's an interesting tidbit from the whois information above. Although the registration information claims that the registrant is listed in Herndon, VA with a Herndon zip code, if you look up the area code of the phone number listed as the registrant phone number you will find that it is an area code assigned to Scranton, Pennsylvania. I called the number and got a Network Solutions automated answering system but I find it very interesting about the phone number since Scranton was historically founded on . . .ready for this. . COAL and iron production. And coal burning produces. . .evryone knows this. . .
Cooincidence?

You do know that Network Solutions is a hosting company/domain registrar, right, and that you will commonly find this info on the whois for a domain they host or register, right?

I'm fully aware of who network solutions is and that is why I know they are not the ones behind the "CO2 is Green" campaign. Whoever is behind it appears to be hiding behind them as you can plainly see if you actually click the whois link I provide above in the original post or by clicking this link also:
http://www.networksolutions.co...-search/co2isgreen.org

You'll notice the registrant address is in care of network solutions in Herndon VA but the telephone number given for the domains administrative contact has a Scranton, PA area code. I am admittedly doing some guessing here but knowing the link between CO2 and Coal, and the fact that Scranton is historically known to be a coal mining town, I am hazarding a guess that Network solutions has a field office in Scranton and maybe that somebody local there is using them at that location. But again, I admit this is total speculation on my part. Also note the admin email address. . .networkingsolutionsprivateregistration.com? Chicken shits. . .don't even stand behind their propaganda.

This just re-iterates my belief that you're just a theorist looking for a conspiracy.
Elvis is dead.
JFK was not killed by the CIA.
We did land on the moon.
The coal industry is not trying to brainwash our children.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
fail thread has failed.

CO2 levels rise and fall all the time. O2 levels were way higher back in the day and the air didn't "combust".

OP needs to take a geography and basic science course. Then a biology course.

why do people insist on getting environment info from environazis?

ask real scientists to get science info. everyone knows this.

That comment about the O2 levels rising causing the atmosphere to combust was not meant to be taken seriously. Though theoretically I think it could happen but not without quite a significant shift upward in the amount of O2 in the air.

 

[CoachB]

The REAL question to debate is:
Which segment of the population should we eliminate to effect CO2 reductions?

If you drill down far enough into the problem, fewer people becomes the solution. The consumption of world's population drives the generation of CO2.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: gsellis
CO2 is so green that commercial growhouses will pump the content up to 2000 ppm to force growth.

BTW, a site can be anywhere and the admin can live somewhere else. If not true, than work from home is a myth. Your loose change is starting to show.

Maybe you missed the part where I fully acknowledged that I was speculating as to who was behind the campaign based on certain facts. . .I never claimed otherwise.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: phoenix79

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Update: Here's an interesting tidbit from the whois information above. Although the registration information claims that the registrant is listed in Herndon, VA with a Herndon zip code, if you look up the area code of the phone number listed as the registrant phone number you will find that it is an area code assigned to Scranton, Pennsylvania. I called the number and got a Network Solutions automated answering system but I find it very interesting about the phone number since Scranton was historically founded on . . .ready for this. . COAL and iron production. And coal burning produces. . .evryone knows this. . .
Cooincidence?

You do know that Network Solutions is a hosting company/domain registrar, right, and that you will commonly find this info on the whois for a domain they host or register, right?

:laugh::laugh: when attempting to be smart on the internet fails. :laugh::laugh:

How exactly did it fail? I fully acknowledged that the above was merely speculation on my part, never claimed it as fact. Just trying to show the lengths that the owners of the site are going to in order to remain anonymous.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: ahurtt


How exactly did it fail? I fully acknowledged that the above was merely speculation on my part, never claimed it as fact. Just trying to show the lengths that the owners of the site are going to in order to remain anonymous.

Best practice is to remain as anonymous as possible. It's a network security precaution, not some grand conspiracy theory.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: CoachB

If you drill down far enough into the problem, fewer people becomes the solution. The consumption of world's population drives the generation of CO2.

i believe this is the REAL goal of many of the anti-technology (~Greenies) crowd, they have a religious like belief that population reduction is beneficial or "good"

so they attack technology, as technology is what has allowed world population to reach 6+ billions of peoples

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: ahurtt


How exactly did it fail? I fully acknowledged that the above was merely speculation on my part, never claimed it as fact. Just trying to show the lengths that the owners of the site are going to in order to remain anonymous.

Best practice is to remain as anonymous as possible. It's a network security precaution, not some grand conspiracy theory.

That page has industry activist written all over it. It doesn't have anything to do with conspiracies. That type of activism is performed millions of times every year, worldwide. The web, "consumer" groups, and "grassroots" lobbying groups are all popular ways of getting your particular world view out.

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
At this point, I think only O2 isn't considered pollution. Even water vapor is a greenhouse gas.

it certainly used to be

Oxygen is a killer man. It causes cancer and aging.

Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide!

 

[Deadtrees]

And, raping is making love...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
At this point, I think only O2 isn't considered pollution. Even water vapor is a greenhouse gas.

At some point if we have too much O2 even that will be a pollutant because having too much O2 in the atmosphere could potentially cause the air to spontaeneously combust.

Um, you do know that O2 is not flamable, right? Oxygen only promotes rapid combustion of other materials but does not burn itself. You cannot light pure oxygen on fire.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: ADDAvenger

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
At this point, I think only O2 isn't considered pollution. Even water vapor is a greenhouse gas.

it certainly used to be

Oxygen is a killer man. It causes cancer and aging.

Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide!

we must debate this!!!!!!!!!!

 

[phoenix79]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
fail thread has failed.

CO2 levels rise and fall all the time. O2 levels were way higher back in the day and the air didn't "combust".

OP needs to take a geography and basic science course. Then a biology course.

why do people insist on getting environment info from environazis?

ask real scientists to get science info. everyone knows this.

That comment about the O2 levels rising causing the atmosphere to combust was not meant to be taken seriously. Though theoretically I think it could happen but not without quite a significant shift upward in the amount of O2 in the air.

Text

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
At this point, I think only O2 isn't considered pollution. Even water vapor is a greenhouse gas.

Try telling that to the literally billions of anaerobes it killed :|

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: phoenix79

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
fail thread has failed.

CO2 levels rise and fall all the time. O2 levels were way higher back in the day and the air didn't "combust".

OP needs to take a geography and basic science course. Then a biology course.

why do people insist on getting environment info from environazis?

ask real scientists to get science info. everyone knows this.

That comment about the O2 levels rising causing the atmosphere to combust was not meant to be taken seriously. Though theoretically I think it could happen but not without quite a significant shift upward in the amount of O2 in the air.

Text

:laugh:

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: CoachB

If you drill down far enough into the problem, fewer people becomes the solution. The consumption of world's population drives the generation of CO2.

i believe this is the REAL goal of many of the anti-technology (~Greenies) crowd, they have a religious like belief that population reduction is beneficial or "good"

so they attack technology, as technology is what has allowed world population to reach 6+ billions of peoples

But they never seem to want to follow through with it if it means reducing THEM. Remind me agains which way those types vote?

 

[Beattie]

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
At this point, I think only O2 isn't considered pollution. Even water vapor is a greenhouse gas.

Try telling that to the literally billions of anaerobes it killed :|

Yes, all of those obligate anaerobes such as C. botulinum which causes botulism. We need more of those.

I guess without that, we would have no botox injections.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: CoachB

If you drill down far enough into the problem, fewer people becomes the solution. The consumption of world's population drives the generation of CO2.

i believe this is the REAL goal of many of the anti-technology (~Greenies) crowd, they have a religious like belief that population reduction is beneficial or "good"

so they attack technology, as technology is what has allowed world population to reach 6+ billions of peoples

Just to be fair, there are plenty of people who realize that one of the best solutions to our problems is to reduce the reproductive rate. These people aren't necessarilyi anti-technology. That doesn't make those people "Greenies" either. The Earth is over-populated, and those areas that are just now entering the industrial revolution also have the highest population growth rates. (Ditto those areas that still aren't to that point.)


Also, as far as CO2 being beneficial to plants. Yes. However, the current amount of plant life on the planet is very inadequate to scrub CO2 from the atmosphere at the rate it's being produced.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: CoachB
The REAL question to debate is:
Which segment of the population should we eliminate to effect CO2 reductions?

If you drill down far enough into the problem, fewer people becomes the solution. The consumption of world's population drives the generation of CO2.

No you don't need to eliminate any segment of the population. You just have to solve the problem of excess production capacity. An industry will generally want to run at as close to max capacity as possible so that they can make as much profit as possible. . .the problem in the industrialized countries of the world right now is excess production capacity. This over-production makes goods abundant and cheap which leads to over-consumption and more energy consumption and CO2 production. How do you curb excess production? Well, one way is to make it cost more to produce excess goods. We have too much capacity to produce but not enough demand for the goods produced. Funny though how this can happen while still some people in the world starve. . .

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: phoenix79

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: phoenix79

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Update: Here's an interesting tidbit from the whois information above. Although the registration information claims that the registrant is listed in Herndon, VA with a Herndon zip code, if you look up the area code of the phone number listed as the registrant phone number you will find that it is an area code assigned to Scranton, Pennsylvania. I called the number and got a Network Solutions automated answering system but I find it very interesting about the phone number since Scranton was historically founded on . . .ready for this. . COAL and iron production. And coal burning produces. . .evryone knows this. . .
Cooincidence?

You do know that Network Solutions is a hosting company/domain registrar, right, and that you will commonly find this info on the whois for a domain they host or register, right?

I'm fully aware of who network solutions is and that is why I know they are not the ones behind the "CO2 is Green" campaign. Whoever is behind it appears to be hiding behind them as you can plainly see if you actually click the whois link I provide above in the original post or by clicking this link also:
http://www.networksolutions.co...-search/co2isgreen.org

You'll notice the registrant address is in care of network solutions in Herndon VA but the telephone number given for the domains administrative contact has a Scranton, PA area code. I am admittedly doing some guessing here but knowing the link between CO2 and Coal, and the fact that Scranton is historically known to be a coal mining town, I am hazarding a guess that Network solutions has a field office in Scranton and maybe that somebody local there is using them at that location. But again, I admit this is total speculation on my part. Also note the admin email address. . .networkingsolutionsprivateregistration.com? Chicken shits. . .don't even stand behind their propaganda.

This just re-iterates my belief that you're just a theorist looking for a conspiracy.
Elvis is dead.
JFK was not killed by the CIA.
We did land on the moon.
The coal industry is not trying to brainwash our children.

Except for the part where I openly acknowledge that I am speculating

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: ahurtt


How exactly did it fail? I fully acknowledged that the above was merely speculation on my part, never claimed it as fact. Just trying to show the lengths that the owners of the site are going to in order to remain anonymous.

Best practice is to remain as anonymous as possible. It's a network security precaution, not some grand conspiracy theory.

It's not likely to be some guy in his basement in this case though who has something to fear in terms of being personally attacked. More likely it is some political lobbying organization with direct ties to big oil or coal or maybe even some corporation directly that is too afraid of standing openly behind its message because they know full well it's a brainwashing campaign aimed at twisting the meaning and goals of the "Green" movement to thier own agenda. Just like fundamentalists and zealots ruin religions by perverting its pure meaning into their own personal hate filled system of values. To the average person who really cares about the environment that we all have to live in, Green means clean. To corporations green is just the color of money.

 

[sandorski]

The Big Lie works, so people use it. CO2 may not be a "pollutant" per se, but it is a major problem at certain concentrations. Concentrations that we have already surpassed and are currently intensifying. Forgive me for not being too thrilled, but I'm not a Plant and even if I were the increased Temps/CC probably will negate any advantage of increased CO2 for me.